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soontobe333

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Hi everyone,

I'm new to this forum and the diamond-buying process. I'm looking for a round diamond that's about 1.5 carats, h color and SI2 (for the value). I'm hoping to get the largest looking size for my $$, while also getting a diamond that looks eye clean. I found this diamond though James Allen, and was hoping to get your opinion of value. I called JA to see if they thought it would be "eye clean" (I'm worried about the crystal) and they said yes. Also, I see this scores a 1.4 on the HCA. Any opinions would be much appreciated!!

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.51-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-471780
 
Its a very good SI2 , whether you can cover that inclusion with a prong or not Im not sure.
But its off to the side and should be an eye clean stone as its not too black
 
Ok, I'm just going to say it...I dont like it. It just looks super leaky to me. The table is bigger than the depth.

I'm going to toss these 2 out there. Hopefully they are in your budget. I'll look at some other vendors also to see what I can find.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.50-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-378894 find out if
eye-clean

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.51-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-487808

I cant look at the report on this one but it scores 100. Have to ask if its eye-clean and see what the angles are on the
crown and pavilion.


https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R151-DNFXAB
 
I don't like it too much either. The LGF's are pretty long and it doesnt seem as lively as others. The clarity does look good for an SI2 though. The second stone suggested from JA looks good but is spendier and lower in color. The enchanted stone has good numbers and the ASET looks great but you do need to check on the eye cleanliness.
 
Wow, thank you for all of the responses... I'd basically sold myself until I saw your responses. I don't have an eye for how it leaks light.

Do you think the color difference between H and I is really noticeable to the average person? I'd be willing to pay more for H if so. Also how do you determine "light leakage"?... Is it something professionals just have an eye for?

I was hoping to find something closer to 1.5 carats, but I saw this one... What do you think?
http://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.41-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-452362

Thank you!!!!
 
I am biased in that I just don't like SI2 for an engagement ring. I'd personally rather have a smaller stone than one with low clarity.

Oh, and you can narrow down your search to three stones and ask JA for idealscope images that will show if the stone has good light return.
 
well if its an eye clean si2 then it shouldnt affect beauty duh..
other user has said that he wouldnt take si2 probably because he had a bad experience
Most SI2 stones do have visible inclusions thats why its rare to find a stone thats not , 33 crown angle isnt perfect but they are still (excellent +) cut diamonds not ideal but close. Not leaking light.........Its a well known ASET combination of angles that doesnt lose light it loses a little fire thats all....! I dont know where these people come up with these statements seriously.

I would never go to an low H color or I color as Im sensitive to the color and I you really start to see it.
 
I would however recommend getting an eye clean si1or si2 around 1.4 in higher color if you can find it ...
 
thanks for all of the opinions. This has really given me some direction. I kept looking for an "H" color stone and came across this one. It's a bit higher in cost because of the size, but that would be ok if it's a good value for the stone. It scores a 1.3 on the HCA. Any thoughts?... do you think the twinning wisps are something to worry about? I'm looking for "eye clean."

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-6702753-1.76-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-SI2-clarity.aspx

also, for much less, I see this 1.7 that is about the same width but is literally thousands less $$. The GIA report shows a crystal and a knot... but on the other hand, the more expensive stone is also an SI2 (so can they really be that different)?

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-6911567-1.70-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-SI2-Clarity.aspx?sku=6911567&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com
 
Can't really comment on that website with those diamonds last two diamonds because doesn't show to much info, plus never used website. However, eye clean thats the key si2 can be a great value because no one has loope eyes ;) Anyways, my mom learned it from her buyer in new york and he is right. i use the same method of clarity. I don't like knots, cavities, clouds for si's. Twining wisps for me personally worked out great, mine are clear. I have bad color sensitivity so I go up to G in color because i like contrast with crisp white diamonds with pink or yellow fancy diamonds. H will still be fine. I do like the 1.76ct that you just posted, in a few years with dss :Up_to_something: you might say i wish i spent that bit extra if you have it right now that is. Generally, when getting Si2 you have to see it. I see that vendor has stated return and lifetime upgrade. maybe see if they can email any images. I like that I color diamond that others like too, so if you seen an I color and can't tell then that is a great diamond as well. The first diamond the table being in reverse does bother me some too. My stone now is 60-60 diamond but the table is 59 and depth is 60 it does light up rainbows inside actually like it better then last tolk stone, guess i am odd. But I just don't like the sound of the table being bigger then depth for that first stone, of course this is without seeing it might be gorgeous.
 
My opinion is that an SI2 is an SI2. Even eye clean SI2s... they're... SI2s. Personally I can't understand the obsession with getting low clarity eye clean stones. With a vast majority of consumers out there researching diamonds, it's just a matter of time before people start saying "Oh, such a nice stone...what's the clarity? " And then what?... No matter how many marketing terms you want to put in front, " it's an eye clean, 80% eye clean, table clean, etc..." It's still an SI2.
And who said inclusions were a bad thing? They're interesting and they're also great evidence to prove you bought a real diamond. Does anybody have an idea of how amazing a garnet crystal looks table center on 2 ct stone?... I do. And it's a heck of a lot more interesting than the countless FLs stones I've seen.
Value-wise, They're a bargain. While every consumer out there is chasing gemological ideals that 90% of people IN THE TRADE don't understand, you can pick from some excellent cut stones with lower clarity at a lot more reasonable prices.
If you do end up buying an SI2, show it off! When people ask to see that shiny little rock, tell them to look for the inclusion. If they find it say yeah it's an excellent cut SI2. That crystal in the center proves it's a real diamond. Then turn around and tell them let's see if your stone is real....(silent)...
 
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