ok I might have purchased this stone from WF!

[archangel]

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/Diamond_Details.aspx?idno=1467018#

its ACA .91 D si2. i have to wait till monday for the the images but what do you guys think?

i have been searching for sooo long i feel worn out. i have pissed people off at multiple jewelery stores with my demands.. i hope this is the one..


ps. thank you soo much for everyone''s help..

 

[stone-cold11]

Looks like a good RB from the numbers. Good Luck.

 

[archangel]

hey Stone-cold, thanks again for that site.. im re-reading everything on that site as i type this...

i cant wait till monday to get the images back..

 

[neatfreak]

Well you might have done a great job picking a stone then.

Assuming Whiteflash says it''s eyeclean I don''t think you have anything to worry about. ACA stones are cut to such exacting standards that I can''t imagine it would be a dud.

 

[archangel]

Does the lower girdle of 76 decrease the Brilliantscope score? i heard that you need 77 or higher to perform well at that test. how true is this?

they said it was eyeclean.


i have seen alot of stones (non ACA) but have great idealscope. there seems to such a higher premium for this ACA grading.. im getting a funny feeling in my stomach..

 

[swingirl]

A bad feeling because you don't think the ACA will look good because of 76% instead of 77%?

Where did you hear about that cut off number?

Why did you not buy the other stones that had great Idealscopes?

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Date: 9/27/2008 10:36:29 PM
Author: archangel
Does the lower girdle of 76 decrease the Brilliantscope score? i heard that you need 77 or higher to perform well at that test. how true is this?

they said it was eyeclean.


i have seen alot of stones (non ACA) but have great idealscope. there seems to such a higher premium for this ACA grading.. im getting a funny feeling in my stomach..

Did you purchase this diamond? The link comes up as it has been sold. It looks fabulous. Congrats!

 

[honey22]

You have absolutely no worries at all with an ACA - they are handpicked by Brian and are stunning stones. I have a D VS2 ACA myself and I am totally and absolutely in love with it. You will be blown away by it when you open that box.

Don't stress about the numbers now, assuming it's eyeclean you have picked a winner and your gf is going to flip !!!!!

Come back with pics asap

ETA - Don't worry about pissing people off with your demands at B&M - this is a major purchase and you have to be comfortable with it.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 9/27/2008 10:36:29 PM
Author: archangel
Does the lower girdle of 76 decrease the Brilliantscope score? i heard that you need 77 or higher to perform well at that test. how true is this?

they said it was eyeclean.


i have seen alot of stones (non ACA) but have great idealscope. there seems to such a higher premium for this ACA grading.. im getting a funny feeling in my stomach..

Most experts don''t even agree that the BS tells anything conclusive. Do not worry about that. There''s nothing wrong with 76 lgf''s, and I would venture to guess that in comparing stones with 76 and 77, you wouldn''t be able to tell which is which.

You''ve picked a great stone, these are some of the best of the best. As long as it''s eyeclean, and the clarity is not affecting the performance, you''ve got a winner!

 

[archangel]

hey i was reading on this forum nd some were saying that lgl of 75,76 lowers the brilliantscope scores. u need it to be above 77. it was a thread i found on search about BS. i have been trying to see which test provides that info about scintillation accuratly. i saw a video of GOG where jon compares identical stones that have same table but change the pavilion angle and the lgl slightly. the one a lgl of 79 has the better look i liked. they were both H&A stones so other aspects were identical. the pavilion angels were for the 79 stone, 41.07 and for the 75 stone, 40.7 i beleive. now i know there are probly other things that come into play but he did a good job to see match up the stone i beleive. the video is this one



http://www.goodoldgold.com/videos/185GVS1187GVS2.wmv


i did purchase the diamond..pending the images.

what makes me worried is the budget... my previous figures were wrong about how much i can achually spend. i only get a certain loan every year. i have to cut back a few things in my mind.. i figured this is a D color ACA stone, close enough to 1 carat.. it has a 6.22mm diamater which seems not too noticiable from the 6.44mm 1 carat avg. also my budget upon recalculation was off.. i would achually have to increase my loan.. i dont know where i even came up with that previous figure.. im hoping me and WF can work something out on this...we''ll see.. this is what makes me worried..

 

[stone-cold11]

You mean this post?

https://www.pricescope.com/forum/rockytalky/low-lgf-need-advice-on-this-stone-t65508-30.html

John post a simulation, of the different LGF size and I don''t see much improvement between 75-80, maybe you should read that, if it still bugs you maybe you can change to another stone more to you new budget? Don''t go into too much debt for an engagement, I don''t think that is wise considering the economy.

 

[agc]

Date: 9/28/2008 9:18:36 AM
Author: archangel
hey i was reading on this forum nd some were saying that lgl of 75,76 lowers the brilliantscope scores. u need it to be above 77. it was a thread i found on search about BS. i have been trying to see which test provides that info about scintillation accuratly. i saw a video of GOG where jon compares identical stones that have same table but change the pavilion angle and the lgl slightly. the one a lgl of 79 has the better look i liked. they were both H&A stones so other aspects were identical. the pavilion angels were for the 79 stone, 41.07 and for the 75 stone, 40.7 i beleive. now i know there are probly other things that come into play but he did a good job to see match up the stone i beleive. the video is this one



http://www.goodoldgold.com/videos/185GVS1187GVS2.wmv


i did purchase the diamond..pending the images.

what makes me worried is the budget... my previous figures were wrong about how much i can achually spend. i only get a certain loan every year. i have to cut back a few things in my mind.. i figured this is a D color ACA stone, close enough to 1 carat.. it has a 6.22mm diamater which seems not too noticiable from the 6.44mm 1 carat avg. also my budget upon recalculation was off.. i would achually have to increase my loan.. i dont know where i even came up with that previous figure.. im hoping me and WF can work something out on this...we''ll see.. this is what makes me worried..

First thing I would stop worrying about BS results. (I have seen 2H/1VH look just as stunning as 3VH not to mention the controversy with BS)

Second, the video is kind of comparing apples and oranges. You say you like the 79 lgf but that is not the only significant difference in the two diamonds as you noted.

The longer lgf (79) tends to have narrower arrows and more pin fire flashes while the shorter lgf (75) tend to have wider arrows and broader flashes. The steeper PA(41) tend to have brighter arrows and the shallower PA tend to have darker (more head/body obstruction but this is not an absolute). They are two different "flavors" of superb diamonds and you are looking at little nuances not the difference between an ugly vs beautiful diamond.

I am sure the ACA will be beautiful.

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 9/27/2008 10:36:29 PM
Author: archangel
Does the lower girdle of 76 decrease the Brilliantscope score? i heard that you need 77 or higher to perform well at that test. how true is this?


they said it was eyeclean.



i have seen alot of stones (non ACA) but have great idealscope. there seems to such a higher premium for this ACA grading.. im getting a funny feeling in my stomach..

I do not know if a lower girdle of 76 decreases the Brilliantscope score or not, but since the Brilliantscope is slanted towards stones with longer lower girdle facets, why would having a stone that was not cut to perform on a machine that has been not accepted by any of the major labs give you a funny feeling?

Both GIA and AGS have declined to use the machine for several reasons, including the fact that it does not produce consistent results.

You sound like perhaps you have diamond commitment phobia. You may have studied hard, but you have not gotten clarity. I am not wanting to sound rude, but letting information from a machine that is not accepted by the main steam laboratories taint your decision process does not sound like a good thing to me.

Wink

 

[Ellen]

Date: 9/29/2008 10:45:24 AM
Author: Wink

Date: 9/27/2008 10:36:29 PM
Author: archangel
Does the lower girdle of 76 decrease the Brilliantscope score? i heard that you need 77 or higher to perform well at that test. how true is this?


they said it was eyeclean.



i have seen alot of stones (non ACA) but have great idealscope. there seems to such a higher premium for this ACA grading.. im getting a funny feeling in my stomach..

I do not know if a lower girdle of 76 decreases the Brilliantscope score or not, but since the Brilliantscope is slanted towards stones with longer lower girdle facets, why would having a stone that was not cut to perform on a machine that has been not accepted by any of the major labs give you a funny feeling?

Both GIA and AGS have declined to use the machine for several reasons, including the fact that it does not produce consistent results.

You sound like perhaps you have diamond commitment phobia. You may have studied hard, but you have not gotten clarity. I am not wanting to sound rude, but letting information from a machine that is not accepted by the main steam laboratories taint your decision process does not sound like a good thing to me.

Wink

Well said Wink. It''s what I was getting at, but didn''t come close to stating as eloquently.

 

[Fly Girl]

Date: 9/28/2008 9:18:36 AM
Author: archangel
hey i was reading on this forum nd some were saying that lgl of 75,76 lowers the brilliantscope scores. u need it to be above 77. it was a thread i found on search about BS. i have been trying to see which test provides that info about scintillation accuratly. i saw a video of GOG where jon compares identical stones that have same table but change the pavilion angle and the lgl slightly. the one a lgl of 79 has the better look i liked. they were both H&A stones so other aspects were identical. the pavilion angels were for the 79 stone, 41.07 and for the 75 stone, 40.7 i beleive. now i know there are probly other things that come into play but he did a good job to see match up the stone i beleive. the video is this one



http://www.goodoldgold.com/videos/185GVS1187GVS2.wmv


i did purchase the diamond..pending the images.

what makes me worried is the budget... my previous figures were wrong about how much i can achually spend. i only get a certain loan every year. i have to cut back a few things in my mind.. i figured this is a D color ACA stone, close enough to 1 carat.. it has a 6.22mm diamater which seems not too noticiable from the 6.44mm 1 carat avg. also my budget upon recalculation was off.. i would achually have to increase my loan.. i dont know where i even came up with that previous figure.. im hoping me and WF can work something out on this...we''ll see.. this is what makes me worried..

Please, please, don''t go into debt to get a D colored stone. Go down at least to an F or G, and save a few $$$ along with your peace of mind.

 

[archangel]

hey everyone... PLEASE check out the idealscope scope images as well as the other images and tests!!

about the commitment syndrome.. yes i do have it.. but i think with good reason... ur only given one chance to give her a ring.. if this was for me i wouldnt mind. returning it or something.... being in the medical proffesion i think i have a syndrome where i really feel i need to perfect everything i do.. i wanna be able to get the best for my patients and i see this trait overflowing in everything i do.. u can tell me to get you a toaster and i will do my research and try to get u the perfect one..

so yes Wink, i do admit that i have a problem.. but im ready to commit now.. i have seen enough info about and i have enough confidence with the knowledge this forum as well as my other research provides..

as far as the testing goes. i think i have to say i need to use them.. i know u can get a stone where u look at it.. not even knowing the color or size and fall in love with it.. i have been there once.. but if ur shoppin on line, how else can you do it?? a photo is not gonna show anything correct? the only info is to look at test but know what the limitations are on that exam at the same time... everything else to me is too subjective.. although i agree yes u can have a diamond be perfect on tests but look bad in person. ( im assuming this)..

as far as the the debt, i think i need to do this bc im still a student. and i have sold all my camera gear towards this purchase.. beleive it or not, i was a gear junkie with Nikon.. but this can wait and i will get my gear back, as i had no time for this anyway.. she is worth it...

 

[JulieN]

The real value of the Brilliance Scope is considered to be in the pictures, not in the bars/scale.

Anyway, the stone looks really nice.

About debt, bring it down to 3/4 ct, I/J color.

 

[jstarfireb]

Date: 9/29/2008 7:18:35 PM
Author: JulieN
About debt, bring it down to 3/4 ct, I/J color.

Ditto - you probably won''t be able to tell the difference between a D and, say, a G color at this cut quality. You could reasonably go down farther, to H-J or so, without seeing a big difference. D-F colors carry a big price premium, and going a bit lower is an easy way to save money without sacrificing beauty.

This one, for example, could save you a cool $2k.

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 9/29/2008 11:06:18 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 9/29/2008 10:45:24 AM

Author: Wink

Date: 9/27/2008 10:36:29 PM

Author: archangel

Does the lower girdle of 76 decrease the Brilliantscope score? i heard that you need 77 or higher to perform well at that test. how true is this?



they said it was eyeclean.




i have seen alot of stones (non ACA) but have great idealscope. there seems to such a higher premium for this ACA grading.. im getting a funny feeling in my stomach..

I do not know if a lower girdle of 76 decreases the Brilliantscope score or not, but since the Brilliantscope is slanted towards stones with longer lower girdle facets, why would having a stone that was not cut to perform on a machine that has been not accepted by any of the major labs give you a funny feeling?


Both GIA and AGS have declined to use the machine for several reasons, including the fact that it does not produce consistent results.


You sound like perhaps you have diamond commitment phobia. You may have studied hard, but you have not gotten clarity. I am not wanting to sound rude, but letting information from a machine that is not accepted by the main steam laboratories taint your decision process does not sound like a good thing to me.


Wink

Well said Wink. It''s what I was getting at, but didn''t come close to stating as eloquently.

Why thank you dear Lady. I shall now have to try telling my wife that I am eloquent and try not to have my feelings hurt when she starts laughing!

Wink

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 9/29/2008 5:52:27 PM
Author: archangel
hey everyone... PLEASE check out the idealscope scope images as well as the other images and tests!!

about the commitment syndrome.. yes i do have it.. but i think with good reason... ur only given one chance to give her a ring.. if this was for me i wouldnt mind. returning it or something.... being in the medical proffesion i think i have a syndrome where i really feel i need to perfect everything i do.. i wanna be able to get the best for my patients and i see this trait overflowing in everything i do.. u can tell me to get you a toaster and i will do my research and try to get u the perfect one..

so yes Wink, i do admit that i have a problem.. but im ready to commit now.. i have seen enough info about and i have enough confidence with the knowledge this forum as well as my other research provides..

as far as the testing goes. i think i have to say i need to use them.. i know u can get a stone where u look at it.. not even knowing the color or size and fall in love with it.. i have been there once.. but if ur shoppin on line, how else can you do it?? a photo is not gonna show anything correct? the only info is to look at test but know what the limitations are on that exam at the same time... everything else to me is too subjective.. although i agree yes u can have a diamond be perfect on tests but look bad in person. ( im assuming this)..

as far as the the debt, i think i need to do this bc im still a student. and i have sold all my camera gear towards this purchase.. beleive it or not, i was a gear junkie with Nikon.. but this can wait and i will get my gear back, as i had no time for this anyway.. she is worth it...

I grew up in a medical family and was the first of seventeen cousins to say "Heck NO I won''t Go" to medical school. I understand your strength/weakness on this issue.

Bring it in for a look when you think you have found your stone. You will know when you pull it out of the paper if you like it or not.

As for having a stone be perfect in the tests and look bad in person, I have never in my thirty odd years in the business seen such a thing. Not saying it is not possible, just saying I have never seen one. Might buy it if I do, just so I can say I have the rarest stone in the world.

You seem to have chosen a stone that might be perfect, I say look at it and do not be deterred by someones faulty science saying that it might maybe could possibly perform worse on a discredited machine that can not seem to measure the same stone the same way more than once every once in a while anyway.

When you pull it from the paper the first time it will speak to your eyes and your heart, or it will not. If not, then send it back and keep looking. If yes, then commit and quit looking or you will never find true happiness with your diamond.

Just my thoughts, but not necessarily your thoughts...

Wink

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 9/29/2008 7:18:35 PM
Author: JulieN
The real value of the Brilliance Scope is considered to be in the pictures, not in the bars/scale.

Anyway, the stone looks really nice.

About debt, bring it down to 3/4 ct, I/J color.

I would consider G to H colour in a Princess, if you wanted the colourless look then that might still be ok with you rather than I or J - if you didn't purchase the D ACA - gorgeous stone though.

 

[archangel]

convince me to BUY this diamond in the NEXT 3 Hours.. i have a deadline. what is a good price for this diamond? what is a good price? and can i find same quality somewhere else?

Does the hearts check out?? does the V at about 10 oclock look ok?? the sarin had a 58.1 which was a 1 on the score.


i wish i could see the stone...

to be or not to be...

helllppp...


i need a push...or a pull the other way...

thanks everybody

 

[customandrew]

Looks like a perfect diamond.

If it were my money though, I would get a larger diamond with lower color within the budget.
However, when I say larger, i only mean by 1mm or so. Which isnt that much when you really start to think about it.

D''s are beautiful, and that cut looks INCREDIBLE.

Youve done your searching and I think youve held on to this one for a reason.

Go for it.

 

[archangel]

i was originally lookin at a G SI1 or SI2 and they were in this range.. and all of them were about 6.45mm in diameter as a 1 carat should be..

my though process : hmm.... im only lookin 0.2mm on diameter.. which is barely visible.. unless head to head.. i definitly didnt want go below a H... plus this is a ACA stone.. soo it got me thinking... not to mention my girl can say its a 1 carat D stone... sounds much nicer than 1 carat G... probably wont show face up the difference if they were both ags000 anyway..

 

[honey22]

Date: 10/6/2008 3:15:55 PM
Author: archangel
i was originally lookin at a G SI1 or SI2 and they were in this range.. and all of them were about 6.45mm in diameter as a 1 carat should be..


my though process : hmm.... im only lookin 0.2mm on diameter.. which is barely visible.. unless head to head.. i definitly didnt want go below a H... plus this is a ACA stone.. soo it got me thinking... not to mention my girl can say its a 1 carat D stone... sounds much nicer than 1 carat G... probably wont show face up the difference if they were both ags000 anyway..

It''s a gorgeous stone - and there is something breaktaking about the icy whiteness of a D colour. She will love it!!

I just noticed it''s sold, please let it be you that bought it!!!! Come back with pics soon

 

[archangel]

thank you honey22.. i did buy it.. and i will post pics (ironic bc i sold my Nikon D300 camera and my lenses: 85mm 1.4d, 80-200mm 2.8, 50mm 1.8, tripod, flashes and other things to pay for this

)...

atleast i think i bought it.. i told them green but still waiting for a call back from Leslie or Traci.

i cant wait..

i really want the champagne setting for this stone.. in plat or palladium....

 

[archangel]

k i have officially bought the diamond...

crossing my fingers!!

 

[stone-cold11]

Stone owner...

 

[honey22]

Phew!! Can''t wait to see pics!!