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londongenie

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Hi,

This is my first post to this site (what a mine of information!). I was looking on the web for some information regarding the tecnicalities/specifications of matching a pair of diamonds and came across this site.

I have bought a pair of diamond stud earrings, and on arrival I have to say that I am underwhelmed, and in fact concerned that they are not of sufficient quality, in particular that they do not seem to be well matched as a pair. This purchase is not a large one, although I have previously bought some pretty sizable single diamonds (and done the research), so I hopefully know a little and am pretty picky.

The diamonds are from an internet retailer, who comes up very high on Google. I don''t really want to name them right now, as this post will come up on Google (as well) I expect. Google brings up nothing adverse that I can find on this retailer for what it is worth.

The studs are 0.75tcw ''Round cut'' G-H, SI1 VG/VG (polish/sym), mounted in 3 prong Martini mount screw-back 14k WG baskets. I paid $1180 for them. The ''certificate'' is from a lab that... well, let''s be honest, the issuer gets very limited hits on Google, so it is pretty much worthless, and the extent of the information that is NOT on the ''certificate'' makes it worthless as well...

My problem is this. When I opened the box, I was immediately struck by how one stone looked smaller than the other. I have looked at them several times, in different lights etc, taken them out, switched them round (a blind test if you like), and each time I am adament that the difference in size is quite clear to me. I''ve done this many times over a few days.

Today I''ve been looking at them again, and the smaller stone appears to have less fire than the larger one. I also notced that the screwback pin on this mount is slightly (though noticably) bent.

I chatted to the retailer (via Messenger on the PC) the day I received the stones, and asked what the individual cw''s were. They replied after a very long pause ''0.76''. I said I wanted the individual weights, not the tcw, and they said they could not tell me!

I asked if it were possible the sizes (and/or weights) varied enough that I could notice, or was it perhaps ''just me''. They said it is possible that they ''slipped through'' the matching process. They could only advise if I returned them.

So questions.
Never having matched stones for earrings before, how matching do you expect them to be in this price range? Is what I describe above at this price level expected, or unacceptable?

I''ve been looking around, and found that some retailers like Mondera might offer an equivalent product at an equivalent price with GIA (or similar) reports, would/should I expect such stones to be better value for money than the above?

I''d really appreciate any thoughts on this. Sorry for such a long winded post, but if I need to replace this gift, I have very little time to do so, so wanted to lay out the situation as best I could from the start!
 
If it bothers you from the get go, then you will always be bothered - you will always feel there is something wrong with them, and when you go out you will wonder if people are looking at your ears thinking "I wonder if she realizes her earrings are different sizes''.
Try one of the vendors usually mentioned on this site on the boards (WF, GOG, James Allen) as they have good reputations for quality - a precursory look at whiteflash shows they have martini setting 14k white gold 0.7 tcw in their expert selection section for just UNDER what you paid. An I color should be just fine in earrings.
 
To me, it wouldn''t matter how big or small the stone, nor the price. Visually, they should be very close to, or a perfect match. Perfect is rather hard to achieve though, for the record.

From what you''ve described, they''re not close. I would send them back. And in searching again, don''t go stricly by weight, look at diameter. You can have one weigh less, but because of cut, have the same diameter as a "heavier" one, or vice versa.

I don''t know where you purchased, but GoodOldGold and Whiteflash would both be good choices at helping you find a nice set.

Good luck!
 
Okay, it looks like Good Old Gold doesn''t do earrings. James Allen has equivalent diamond studs for $1075 (several vendors give pricescope discounts, I am not sure if that is just for diamond rings, or if diamond earrings are included - you should ask the vendor)
winfields (winkjones.com) has settings that you can purchase the diamonds for also.

I am not very familiar with Mondera - I have just noted when I have been checking out prices that they have been a little on the high side with regards to loose diamonds, I cannot comment on earrings as I have not checked them out for that.
 
Date: 8/29/2006 2:42:35 PM
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Okay, it looks like Good Old Gold doesn''t do earrings. James Allen has equivalent diamond studs for $1075 (several vendors give pricescope discounts, I am not sure if that is just for diamond rings, or if diamond earrings are included - you should ask the vendor)
winfields (winkjones.com) has settings that you can purchase the diamonds for also.

I am not very familiar with Mondera - I have just noted when I have been checking out prices that they have been a little on the high side with regards to loose diamonds, I cannot comment on earrings as I have not checked them out for that.
GOG does do earrings. Where did you get that impression sm?
 
Opps - I apologize
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. Was GOG where you just got your beautiful martini earrings from? I apologize for incorrectly saying GOG doesn''t do earrings - I was flipping through each of the sites trying to gather info and I could not find a section on earrings on their site, so I (incorrectly) thought they did not do them.
 
Date: 8/29/2006 2:49:21 PM
Author: :)
Opps - I apologize
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. Was GOG where you just got your beautiful martini earrings from? I apologize for incorrectly saying GOG doesn''t do earrings - I was flipping through each of the sites trying to gather info and I could not find a section on earrings on their site, so I (incorrectly) thought they did not do them.
So k.
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Actually I got mine from WF.

No, I don''t think GOG has a section just for studs, but in their diamond inventory they list some. They just don''t have a big, personal section devoted to earrings.
 
Date: 8/29/2006 2:42:35 PM
Author: :)
Okay, it looks like Good Old Gold doesn't do earrings. James Allen has equivalent diamond studs for $1075 (several vendors give pricescope discounts, I am not sure if that is just for diamond rings, or if diamond earrings are included - you should ask the vendor)
winfields (winkjones.com) has settings that you can purchase the diamonds for also.

I am not very familiar with Mondera - I have just noted when I have been checking out prices that they have been a little on the high side with regards to loose diamonds, I cannot comment on earrings as I have not checked them out for that.
Yes, they do. I am working on a pair right now. If you find a single stone you like, they can call in a match or even call in two matches.

But regardless, I'd for sure send those back and get some beautiful ideal cut ones! I have a pair that I am not happy with since I discovered well cut diamonds, and they just sit in a drawer because it is too late to return them!

(ETA: I wrote this before reading that Ellen already covered the GOG part!)
 
Update:

Thank you all for your advice.

I explored the various options that you suggested and decided upon a pair from Whiteflash. They had a great selection to browse on their website, and then when I called to clarify some details, they ''held my hand'' and walked me through choosing two matching stones and getting them mounted. They were a delight to deal with.

These were the two stones that I bought... (summary, both 0.31''ish, HS1, and HSI2, Ideal cut with AGS reports, nothing much else to report on them).

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-2435215.htm
http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-2439582.htm

The stones are gorgeous, and they are to my eye perfectly matched. Now I appreciate what rubbish the other company were selling to me. These stones are only 0.63 tcw, but because of the significantly higher cut quality (and I believe they call it ''spread'') the stones appear no smaller than the poor 0.76tcw studs I have returned. Furthermore they are slightly cheaper at $1120 vs $1180 for the others.

Anyway, these stones are fantastic. I think, despite knowing better, I still paid less attention to Cut than other factors (big mistake, as far as the end overall visual result matters!). Having a pair of (AGS) Ideal cut stones in front of me... wow, they''re amazing!

Thanks again for all the comments. Whiteflash is certainly someone I''d be very happy to deal with again.

Once the other retailer, to whom I returned the poor studs to refunds my money, I will name them. If only because they come up so high (top 3) on Google, I expect many people visit their website.

Meanwhile my girlfriend (yes ''LondonGenie'' is a guy!) is home shortly, and her gift is wrapped and sitting here waiting for her.

Cheers!
 
congrats on your purchase londongenieguy
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as you have found, cut makes all the difference. now you know why we are so fanatical around here! it''s all about the sparkle!
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we would love to see some pics!
 
You can see 40x pix of the stones linked from the URL''s I posted.

Or do you mean a pic of my girlfriend grinning ear to ear, as I expect later? :-D

(p.s. Despite Whiteflash saying their white gold mounts are 14k, they are in fact 18k.)
 
london, congrats!!

I bought my second set of studs just recently from WF as well, and yes, they''re great to work with. My first set was bought pre-pricescope. They were the exact same tcw as the set I bought this time, yet my new set is definitely bigger.

I won''t even say I hope your girlfriend likes them, I know she will.
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Congrats!!!

I'm glad you returned the other studs. The size difference between the pair of earings would have always bothered you.
 
The company I bought the original pair from are ''Diamond Studs Only''. They come up top 3 on Google and also top 3 in Google''s sponsored links. If you look at their website you will see that they do a pretty slick marketing job for you average person on the street. (In my opinion the stones were of poor quality (I bought the $1200 3/4tcw pair) and poorly matched but) To their credit I got a full refund (on the returned studs) back from them today.
http://www.diamondstudsonly.com


My girlfriend and I ate out last night. I had to stop myself spending the whole evening looking at her ears! The low light really accentuated the fire in the stones. Wow I''m hooked
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What I have taken on board is, forget VV and V, it is so easy to get obsessed with this, but SI is fine. Let''s be honest, a ring/stud that is not cleaned for a day or two is going to look SI anyway, and how often do you clean your diamonds? So... if I might be so bold... save on clarity and spend on cut!
 
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