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No Surprise -- Trump fails at foreign policy too

ruby59 said:
DeeJay, with all due respect reading about Trump and Hitler in the same Post is very disconcerting, as I do not know how any rational person can even compare the two. Several of my family members were killed in the gas chambers and in the concentration camps, so this sickens me.

I also do not have much tolerance for potty mouths and playground antics.

I want to discuss the more important topics in an adult manner.
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Sorry you were disconcerted. The internet is a cruel place.

As for discussing "more important topics," I am discussing the topic YOU brought up: respect (or lack thereof) for the office of the President.
 
AGBF said:
I just went back and watched the film clip again. Trump definitely looks like an angry school boy who has just been chastised by his teacher and will not get over it. Angela Merkel looks like a benign and understanding teacher who has been very reasonable with the little boy, who obviously just cannot accept any boundaries or instruction at all, but is having a temper tantrum. The calls of "Handshake! Handshake!" are loud and numerous. Trump cannot have missed them given the volume of his voice when he speaks and the volume of other voices in the room. He is just being an incredibly arrogant, ungentlemanly, and rude host. To see him do that in The White House is shameful and appalling.

AGBF
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My prior comment was based on my memory of the lead-up to Trump's bizarre handshake with Prime Minister Abe. Trump is sitting there with the same doofy look and resting bitch face and needs multiple prompts to shake hands. Abe made a waving arm/hand gesture to get Trump's attention and Merkel did not. That being said, Trump should know by now that handshakes are expected when sitting there with someone and cameras are snapping.

Here's the PM Abe video for comparison: http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...o.cnn/video/playlists/president-donald-trump/
 
Dee*Jay said:
Sorry you were disconcerted. The internet is a cruel place.

As for discussing "more important topics," I am discussing the topic YOU brought up: respect (or lack thereof) for the office of the President.
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Thank you for making it even more so.
 
ruby59 said:
Respect comes from within and not lowering yourself. It is to treat all people as you want to be treated.
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This makes no sense whatsoever. Respect for someone else comes from an evaluation of the actions of that someone else, it does not come from within. The buddhists called, they want their misused dogma back. And treating people like you want to be treated is good karma, but in terms of respect for someone else... well... your logic fails here.
 
Dee*Jay said:
This makes no sense whatsoever. Respect for someone else comes from an evaluation of the actions of that someone else, it does not come from within. The buddhists called, they want their misused dogma back. And treating people like you want to be treated is good karma, but in terms of respect for someone else... well... your logic fails here.
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My so called dogma comes from the way I was raised.

I do not judge anyone else, because as an imperfect person myself, I do not have the right to do so.

I may not like what a person does, but I will not debase what a person is by calling him ugly names.

So I respect myself enough not to treat other people crudely and cruelly.
 
So SCROTUS, if he were the visitor in Germany, would not want to have a basic politeness offered him? (A handshake.)
 
I judge people every day. Its called risk management. Its called wise business practice. Its exercising the brains you carry around in your head. Example: You judge other drivers, "If they are signaling for right turn, do I trust that and act accordingly? Or do I wait for irrefutable proof of right turn?" If I'm at the bank and performing a complicated transaction, I am constantly making judgements as to the efficacy of the bank employee handling the transaction; if I make a judgement that there might be a problem, I have further communication for clarity.

We judge every day, all day.
 
azstonie said:
So SCROTUS, if he were the visitor in Germany, would not want to have a basic politeness offered him? (A handshake.)
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Exactly what is SCROTUS? Oh yea,more potty mouth, school yard humor.

If anyone wants to have an adult conversation, fine.

But I am no longer responding to posts like this.
 
Dee*Jay said:
This makes no sense whatsoever. Respect for someone else comes from an evaluation of the actions of that someone else, it does not come from within. The buddhists called, they want their misused dogma back. And treating people like you want to be treated is good karma, but in terms of respect for someone else... well... your logic fails here.
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There is no logic to this. PARTICULARLY since the idea of "I don't judge" is a load of BS. Everyone judges others. The question is whether people judge fairly (based on actions/experience) or unfairly (based on color of skin, gender, etcetc). Judging someone for their actions is good sense, and exactly what many of us have done with SCROTUS.
 
azstonie said:
I judge people every day. Its called risk management. Its called wise business practice. Its exercising the brains you carry around in your head. Example: You judge other drivers, "If they are signaling for right turn, do I trust that and act accordingly? Or do I wait for irrefutable proof of right turn?" If I'm at the bank and performing a complicated transaction, I am constantly making judgements as to the efficacy of the bank employee handling the transaction; if I make a judgement that there might be a problem, I have further communication for clarity.

We judge every day, all day.
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We judge their actions but not them as a person.
 
azstonie said:
I judge people every day. Its called risk management. Its called wise business practice. Its exercising the brains you carry around in your head. Example: You judge other drivers, "If they are signaling for right turn, do I trust that and act accordingly? Or do I wait for irrefutable proof of right turn?" If I'm at the bank and performing a complicated transaction, I am constantly making judgements as to the efficacy of the bank employee handling the transaction; if I make a judgement that there might be a problem, I have further communication for clarity.

We judge every day, all day.
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LOL, jinx :)
 
ruby59 said:
My so called dogma comes from the way I was raised.

I do not judge anyone else, because as an imperfect person myself, I do not have the right to do so.

I may not like what a person does, but I will not debase what a person is by calling him ugly names.

So I respect myself enough not to treat other people crudely and cruelly.
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What you are describing NOW relates to respect for YOURSELF. The context in which you initially began speaking in these terms relates to respect for SOMEONE ELSE.

Those are entirely different things.
 
lovedogs said:
There is no logic to this. PARTICULARLY since the idea of "I don't judge" is a load of BS. Everyone judges others. The question is whether people judge fairly (based on actions/experience) or unfairly (based on color of skin, gender, etcetc). Judging someone for their actions is good sense, and exactly what many of us have done with SCROTUS.
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As I replied to AZ, judging Trump by his actions is fine.

But judging him as a person - calling him potty names, Cheeto, SCROTUS, pig, etc. is not.
 
Dee*Jay said:
What you are describing NOW relates to respect for YOURSELF. The context in which you initially began speaking in these terms relates to respect for SOMEONE ELSE.

Those are entirely different things.
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Believe me, it is all connected. To have enough respect for one self in that you will not lower yourself to demean someone else.
 
ruby59 said:
Deb, I find your lack of respect for office of the President very rude and crude.
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ruby-

Language is my passion. If I say about Trump, "the man is a pig" that in no way reflects my opinion of the office of the US President. It doesn't show that I have respect for it or disrespect for it. If you would like to discuss my language with me, I welcome the discussion. Please do not tell me what I have said, however.

Deb
 
AGBF said:
ruby-

Language is my passion. If I say about Trump, "the man is a pig" that in no way reflects my opinion of the office of the US President. It doesn't show that I have respect for it or disrespect for it. If you would like to discuss my language with me, I welcome the discussion. Please do not tell me what I have said, however.

Deb
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Language may be your passion, but imo it does not always come across very well.

What you have said is one thing.

How I interpret it is another.

And the later, again imo, is more important.

For you can have the best intentions, but how it goes over with others is ore important.

And please, you 5 incredible women, do not post it went over perfectly for you and you knew exactly what she meant.
 
AGBF said:
ruby-

Language is my passion. If I say about Trump, "the man is a pig" that in no way reflects my opinion of the office of the US President. It doesn't show that I have respect for it or disrespect for it. If you would like to discuss my language with me, I welcome the discussion. Please do not tell me what I have said, however.

Deb
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ruby59 said:
Language may be your passion, but imo it does not always come across very well.

What you have said is one thing.

How I interpret it is another.

And the later, again imo, is more important.

For you can have the best intentions, but how it goes over with others is ore important.

And please, you 5 incredible women, do not post it went over perfectly for you and you knew exactly what she meant.
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Deb, your post went over perfectly and I knew exactly what you meant. :D

(But just as importantly, I was trying to figure out this multi-quote functionality and this was a good opportunity to do it! :lol: )
 
Respecting Trump as our President is something I am struggling with daily. As a human, I despise him personally and think he has offered no actions worth my respect. I hated GWB and I still respected him as the President. I'm still furious with Obama over his inaction regarding the nomination of Merrick Garland and I respected him as the President. I want to be able TO respect Trump as President. I really dislike all of the nicknames people have for him and find it disrespectful to the office of the Presidency, no matter who holds it, though I completely agree with the premise that respect is earned and not entitled -- I'm just really struggling. I find the current administration a literal nightmare, but I believe in our Constitution and checks and balances and this is what we voted for. I just don't know how to feel or how to talk about it.
 
ruby59 said:
Language may be your passion, but imo it does not always come across very well.

What you have said is one thing.

How I interpret it is another.

And the later, again imo, is more important.

For you can have the best intentions, but how it goes over with others is ore important.

And please, you 5 incredible women, do not post it went over perfectly for you and you knew exactly what she meant.
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Are you saying that only your interpretation matters, ruby? It would be hard for any writer to have to write for each individual who might possibly read what he wrote and expect each person to understand him!

Deb
 
AGBF said:
Are you saying that only your interpretation matters, ruby? It would be hard for any writer to have to write for each individual who might possibly read what he wrote and expect each person to understand him!

Deb
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An example. One of my girls was praised for her writing in high school. In college her professor had some issues.

Her professor explained that to be a good writer means that you will have a vast readership and to try and appeal to all of them.



It would be impossible to tailor your writing to every reader but in your case Deb you come off as so narrow minded in your views of Trump that it limits your appeal to readers like myself.

Understanding you is not the problem. Trying to connect with you imo, for me, is.



To add: The poster above said it best. She expressed her opinion. I may not agree with her, but I can certainly connect and relate to her reasoning behind it. And she did it without having to resort to name calling
 
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liaerfbv said:
Respecting Trump as our President is something I am struggling with daily. As a human, I despise him personally and think he has offered no actions worth my respect. I hated GWB and I still respected him as the President. I'm still furious with Obama over his inaction regarding the nomination of Merrick Garland and I respected him as the President. I want to be able TO respect Trump as President. I really dislike all of the nicknames people have for him and find it disrespectful to the office of the Presidency, no matter who holds it, though I completely agree with the premise that respect is earned and not entitled -- I'm just really struggling. I find the current administration a literal nightmare, but I believe in our Constitution and checks and balances and this is what we voted for. I just don't know how to feel or how to talk about it.
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This I can wholly understand and respect.

Very well thought out by staying true to your beliefs without having to resort to name calling.
 
Sorry but I find some of the comments here pretty comical. If you want to speak about people respecting the President maybe you should begin with Trump. In case you missed it, he tweeted many lies regarding our past President wire tapping him. He was called out on his lies yesterday and yet continues to lie. Oh yeah, I forgot we are supposed to ignore his lies and realize that he rarely means any of the things that he chooses say. His lack of common decency is astounding.

For someone who didn't vote for him I find it strange the way you run to his defense anytime anything remotely unflattering is said about him. Support him all you want Ruby, that is your right. Please quit telling everyone else that we need to show him respect. I think it has been made very clear that many of us here do not respect the man.
 
Calliecake said:
Sorry but I find some of the comments here pretty comical. If you want to speak about people respecting the President maybe you should begin with Trump. In case you missed it, he tweeted many lies regarding our past President wire tapping him. He was called out on his lies yesterday and yet continues to lie. Oh yeah, I forgot we are supposed to ignore his lies and realize that he rarely means any of the things that he chooses say. His lack of common decency is astounding.

For someone who didn't vote for him I find it strange the way you run to his defense anytime anything remotely unflattering is said about him. Support him all you want Ruby, that is your right. Please quit telling everyone else that we need to show him respect. I think it has been made very clear that many of us here do not respect the man.
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This is what confuses me. I fail to understand why I should respect SCROTUS, and how anyone can tell me that I should. I don't, and I won't. It's very clear that many people here STRONGLY dislike HRC, didn't like Obama, etc. I don't force them to like people I like, or respect people I respect.
 
Perfectly said Loves Dogs.
 
Calliecake said:
Sorry but I find some of the comments here pretty comical. If you want to speak about people respecting the President maybe you should begin with Trump. In case you missed it, he tweeted many lies regarding our past President wire tapping him. He was called out on his lies yesterday and yet continues to lie. Oh yeah, I forgot we are supposed to ignore his lies and realize that he rarely means any of the things that he chooses say. His lack of common decency is astounding.

For someone who didn't vote for him I find it strange the way you run to his defense anytime anything remotely unflattering is said about him. Support him all you want Ruby, that is your right. Please quit telling everyone else that we need to show him respect. I think it has been made very clear that many of us here do not respect the man.
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No. You can disagree with the man and how he is conducting his position as President. Of course point out things you have issue with. I did it with Obama but other then golden boy, I never said one disrespectful thing about that man or his family.

As far as his so called decency I have seen far worse from other Presidents since I have been alive.

As far as what came out yesterday about the Russian collusion, I want to see it all come out, not just sound bites and bits and pieces. And what about the leaked information. Why no comment on that.
I want to see some hard facts that Trump was in on it and it cost Hillary the election because votes were changed. Put up or shut up. Not partisan crap that keeps it going.

It is the name calling P and Grab, SCROTUS, pig, etc that I feel distracts from the conversation.

And are you telling me to stop something I am telling others to stop doing?
 
lovedogs said:
This is what confuses me. I fail to understand why I should respect SCROTUS, and how anyone can tell me that I should. I don't, and I won't. It's very clear that many people here STRONGLY dislike HRC, didn't like Obama, etc. I don't force them to like people I like, or respect people I respect.
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Yes but did any of the people here - I am not talking about the low class comments on the Internet - ever call Obama a crude name? If so, knowing the management here it would have immediately disappeared.

As far as Hillary, I did not like her after leaked info came out, but I never disparaged her either like she did to people who did not vote for her.

Speaking of Hillary, is she running for mayor of New York?

And also speaking of Hillary, love her new hairdo. Frames her face beautifully.
 
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