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Hey guys,

I figured I''d ask here as I''ve read through the posts and found some good information, and now I need some help making a choice on a diamond for the ring that I am planning on having made.

It''s a Precesion Set setting that holds either a .70-.79 or a 1.0-2.0 as they make 2 versions of the setting. I was told that I could have a .90 or so fit into the larger of the 2 if it had the right dimensions. So I got that portion taken care of.

I''ve been working with a few different places. Everything I''ve been looking at is either a G or H in color, VS1-VS2, in the same karat range, and the prices vary a bit. Some are GIA graded (mostly the G''s) and the others are EGL graded (as high as a E in color). As an example I have a as an example:

.89ct EGL E/VS2 D=59.9, T=69 6.18x6.28x3.73mm for $3700 Fl=None,
Culet=None

OR

90ct G/VS2 GIA, T=56 D=61.1 Pol=EX, Sym=VG, Girdle=Th-SlTh, FL=None, Culet=None 6.22x6.25x3.81mm $4266

I haven''t found enough information about EGL but know that most places seem to be GIA atleast. I know the EGL doesn''t have as clear of specs as per say the GIA but that was what I was told.

On the stones that are in the .70-.79 so far they''ve all be EGL rated and price out between $2500-2800 for G/VS1/VS2 ratings. So I have no comparison on GIA rated stones in that size.

I am just looking for some advice on this as far as the stones go. I''ll go either size, but don''t know enough on the grading standards to tell which one would be the better one. Any help is greatly appricated!

Thanks guys,
Chris
 
try to stick with GIA or AGS. you can enter in EGL in the search box here for a ton of info. EGL USA is alright but many times EGL is known to be a couple grades off in the color dept.

what shape stones are you looking at?
 
Date: 8/15/2007 3:15:47 AM
Author:spunger
Hey guys,

I figured I'd ask here as I've read through the posts and found some good information, and now I need some help making a choice on a diamond for the ring that I am planning on having made.

It's a Precesion Set setting that holds either a .70-.79 or a 1.0-2.0 as they make 2 versions of the setting. I was told that I could have a .90 or so fit into the larger of the 2 if it had the right dimensions. So I got that portion taken care of.
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Hi Spunger. Welcome to PS. If you're picky about how the diamond sits you may wish to re-visit the head selection. A 6.20 mm diamond set in a 6.50+ head may result in a different profile than the samples you've seen (is it possible the larger version is built for 1.0-1.2 ct, not 1.0-2.0?).




I've been working with a few different places. Everything I've been looking at is either a G or H in color, VS1-VS2, in the same karat range, and the prices vary a bit. Some are GIA graded (mostly the G's) and the others are EGL graded (as high as a E in color). As an example I have a as an example:

.89ct EGL E/VS2 D=59.9, T=69 6.18x6.28x3.73mm for $3700 Fl=None,
Culet=None

OR

90ct G/VS2 GIA, T=56 D=61.1 Pol=EX, Sym=VG, Girdle=Th-SlTh, FL=None, Culet=None 6.22x6.25x3.81mm $4266

I haven't found enough information about EGL but know that most places seem to be GIA atleast. I know the EGL doesn't have as clear of specs as per say the GIA but that was what I was told.

On the stones that are in the .70-.79 so far they've all be EGL rated and price out between $2500-2800 for G/VS1/VS2 ratings. So I have no comparison on GIA rated stones in that size.

I am just looking for some advice on this as far as the stones go. I'll go either size, but don't know enough on the grading standards to tell which one would be the better one. Any help is greatly appricated!

Thanks guys,
Chris
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There is not enough information here to discuss the diamonds in a meaningful way. Going from just table and depth they are completely different makes. Assuming they are rounds (?) the large table size on the 0.89 places it in a category that's not highly rewarded in conventional metrics. The 0.90 has potential (assuming it's round and the girdle is thIN-slthICK?) but again, without crown & pavilion angle info we're blindfolded and swinging in the dark. GIA is strict and reliable with color/clarity grading. By and large EGL does not share the same reputation for strictness or consistency but EGL-USA is the top EGL lab.

Are you considering these stones sight-unseen from an online source, or do you have the opportunity to see them live?
 
Thanks for the replies guys!

The ring itself is the Precession Set 7727/7728. I haven''t seen any of the stones in person as I don''t feel knowledgeable enough to know what I am getting myself into. I have been in contact with a couple of places online who carry the Precession set brand and found a decent price for the ring itself, but as far as fitting a diamond into it that one is all new.

Jon, I think you''re right about the 1.0-1.2 and not 1.0-2.0. Seems off by a bit LOL

The stone I am looking for is a round diamond. I was told if I was to go with something in that .90 range that if it was shaped right it''d make it look like a 1 karat stone and not a .90. So the places are giving me quotes with Diamonds that sit and look like that. I asked for GIA grading as EGL seems so-so and only one place has given me the EGL grading. The stones are located everywhere but where I am, which I''ve also thought about as well. I can get the setting and wait until we find a stone that fits it right, but part of me just wants to get it all done at once so it''s done. I don''t know the first part about what to look for while choosing a diamond.

I could probably email the stores I am talking to via email and see if they can provide me with all the details to the stones. Is there something like a GIA # that if they gave me I could look up all the specs of it and such online? For all I know they don''t even have the stones themselves. If I knew what I was looking to buy I''d do it online but I''m scared as everything is so measurement specific and short of knowing what the ring is I don''t know all the specs about it.
 
Here is a pic of the ring itself

flush_fit_semi_mount_7727_7728.jpg
 
JohnQuixote,

It''s later in the day, been looking on the whiteflash site most of the evening. We''ve pretty much figured I''d look at the 5 star ones, .74-.79 round cut diamonds, AGS/GIA graded, F-G in color, VVS1/VVS2. Are there any you could recommend that would be a good stone? We found some, but I don''t know what specs to look for to know what is good/bad short of the specifications that I gave above.

That ring I''ve been able to find for $1450-1575 so that is taken care of. I know Whiteflash is in Texas.....which happens to be where one of the jewler''s is that I am in contact with about all of this. So I guess I can see if they can get something like what I am trying to find online.....I guess worst comes to worst I buy the ring, and the stone from seperate sources.

If I go this route, who would I have to take it to to have the stone set into the ring? I''d be tempted to have all of it done in one place but how can I be assured that the stone I get back in my ring really is the $4000 stone I paid for? I guess that''s sort of my second worry.

Please let me know JohnQuixote, I''ve read through some of your posts and you really know what''s going on in the Diamond world. I''m one of these people who has to have it right before I buy it and don''t want to make a mistake with the purchasing that''ll haunt me LOL.
 
Hi, Spunger, I happen to have two ACA diamonds from WhiteFlash that are .75 each, and they are just beautiful! I have picked a few for you that are excellent stones. However, is there some reason that you don''t want to consider VS1? You cannot see inclusions in a VS1 with a 10x loupe, so it will have no different appearance than a VVS. I''ll include some just in case!

.772 G VS1 http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-191620.htm

.745 G VVS2 http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-231926.htm

.771 F VS1 http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-347689.htm

Incidentally, the prices would be 5% less on these stones with the wire/pricescope discount. I''d definitely get the stone from a vendor like WhiteFlash and order the setting and send it to WF to set for you. But look carefully at the WF site first, because they have some beautiful settings, too. You may have to pay a setting fee when you do not buy the setting from them, but I''d want them to set the diamond.
 
Date: 8/16/2007 12:18:59 AM
Author: spunger
JohnQuixote,

It's later in the day, been looking on the whiteflash site most of the evening. We've pretty much figured I'd look at the 5 star ones, .74-.79 round cut diamonds, AGS/GIA graded, F-G in color, VVS1/VVS2. Are there any you could recommend that would be a good stone? We found some, but I don't know what specs to look for to know what is good/bad short of the specifications that I gave above.

That ring I've been able to find for $1450-1575 so that is taken care of. I know Whiteflash is in Texas.....which happens to be where one of the jewler's is that I am in contact with about all of this. So I guess I can see if they can get something like what I am trying to find online.....I guess worst comes to worst I buy the ring, and the stone from seperate sources.

If I go this route, who would I have to take it to to have the stone set into the ring? I'd be tempted to have all of it done in one place but how can I be assured that the stone I get back in my ring really is the $4000 stone I paid for? I guess that's sort of my second worry.

Please let me know JohnQuixote, I've read through some of your posts and you really know what's going on in the Diamond world. I'm one of these people who has to have it right before I buy it and don't want to make a mistake with the purchasing that'll haunt me LOL.
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Spunger, thanks for the kind words and I understand exactly how you feel.
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I can't give recommendations because forum policies prohibit trade pros from posts of a promotional nature. You are welcome to contact any company representative via email or phone and we'll be happy to assist you and answer all questions. You can also count on excellent input from consumer enthusiasts like MrsS and DS who participate here.
 
Thank you so much guys for getting back to me on this one. It helps a lot with the decision on choosing a stone for this ring. I think white flash has great prices and to be able to see them on some of the stones with the grading reports helps because it has every spec I need to see or if I am asked I can at least find it.

Now here is a super newbie question. If I was to pick any one of the stones, especially the one''s that are 5 star and such, would they be able to be set into that ring that I am looking to buy? I''m worried that I''ll pick a stone and for some lame reason it wouldn''t be able to be set. You know what I mean?

The ring can go either way as it''s similar in price for the 3/4 or 1 karat stone. As long as the size fits within it''s range and it''s round like it calls for should it fit? I guess that''s where my confusion is. What fits and what wouldn''t fit.
 
Good Old Gold carries similar inventory, and they are Precision Set dealers. You might check them out. It's easier to get it done in one shot.

It's a little hard for me to believe they won't make a setting for a .8 to 1 ct stone. It's a very popular size range...
 
Date: 8/16/2007 12:45:33 PM
Author: JulieN
Good Old Gold carries similar inventory, and they are Precision Set dealers. You might check them out. It''s easier to get it done in one shot.


It''s a little hard for me to believe they won''t make a setting for a .8 to 1 ct stone. It''s a very popular size range...
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I couldn''t find anything Precesion Set on their website. I wonder if it''s something I have to email them about and such. I figured it''d be easier if possible to get it all done in one shot then to shop around, but at the same time with the Whiteflash wire deal you save a bit off the top which would probably cover having it set. I''m just worried I''d buy a stone that wasn''t able to be set into the ring.

I''ll shoot them an email and see what they can do.
 
They used to sell Precision Set, but I am not sure if they do now or not. If you are buying an ideal cut stone, you shouldn't have to worry iif it will fit, as long as the jeweler is giving you the correct information regarding the size of the heads. So the stone will not be an issue. The Expert Selection ideal cut stones are totally fine as well. They will meet the size standards. There is just some very minor aspect that kept WF from labelling them ACA. You don't need to consider them as inferior because they get 4 stars. They are still top quality diamonds.
 
Date: 8/16/2007 1:15:14 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
They used to sell Precision Set, but I am not sure if they do now or not. If you are buying an ideal cut stone, you shouldn''t have to worry iif it will fit, as long as the jeweler is giving you the correct information regarding the size of the heads. So the stone will not be an issue. The Expert Selection ideal cut stones are totally fine as well. They will meet the size standards. There is just some very minor aspect that kept WF from labelling them ACA. You don''t need to consider them as inferior because they get 4 stars. They are still top quality diamonds.
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Perfect, thanks for the advice on that one!

On a shorter question, does anyone know what jewelers charge to set a stone in a ring? I''m just trying to find out a ballpark as getting a stone from one, a ring from another, and then having to have it set I''d just like to get an idea on what I am in for.
 
It seems like the amounts I was quoted were from about $75 to $150. So let''s just say it should be under $200.
 
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