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patric2007

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just bought a 1.22 RB etoile diamond from tiffany''s in nyc...i have no intrest in labels or brand names and i know i paid much more than if i had purchased from one of the online jewelers like blue nile or others..i know many people who purchased their rings and they are beautiful ..but something about this stone just jumped out at me..ive never seen such brilliance and fire on any diamond ever..in every light it simply glows, flashing and shooting colors..day,night, even under ugly office fluoresent the brightness and scintilation is startling..ive never seen such scintilation..now the problem...............................................................................................................i came across this site a week ago and checked the stats with the HCA and the score was HORRIBLE..i don''t understand this unless im doing something wrong..from the tiffany certificate and the GIA report that i insisted on and they were more than happy to supply... the stats are as follows: G color,VVS2,EXC CUT,EXC POLISH,EXC SYMMETRY....total depth percentage-62.6%,table size percentage-59%,crown angle-35.3,pavilion depth percentage-44.1%,girdle-med to slightly thick, no florescence................................................................can someone figure this out? ive never seen a brighter whiter diamond ever with such fire and scintillation... ..........................................................this has made me very upset and id appreciate any help in figuring this out ......thanks
 
1. this stone shape does not work on HCA

2. you have never seen better compared to what and where?
 
Oops - it is a round brilliant?

delete point 1

Answer point 2 please.

Has it been worn and got a bit dirty yet?

If you enter the proportions here I think you will see that even GIA who quite like relatively steep deep diamonds would not give it excellent
http://www.facetware.gia.edu/
 
oh - BTW Tiffany still use the old world depth % for pavilion. Use 41.4 degrees or 41.6 if there is a little bit of culet.
 
If you have entered your numbers correctly, then, no, this stone does not get a very good HCA score . . . somewhere above 5. Are you sure you transcribed them correctly?

Hmmm, I guess you have a few options:

1) If you did your homework and shopped around and were comfortable with the price and quality, then don't let a calculator dissuade you from loving your stone. Wear it in health and happiness.

2) If, as you say, you don't really care about the Tiffany's label and just bought the stone because it appeared sparkly (could it have been the lighting?), then return it and spend the same amount on a larger, ideal cut stone online or with a local store that will negotiate a good price, or spend less to keep the stone the same size and bank the extra.


If you decide to keep it, make sure to clean it religiously. Stones with less than ideal cuts look dull when dirty (all stones do but stones without ideal cuts especially -- mine is an heirloom diamond without an ideal cut, so I clean it all the time and receive a lot of compliments on it -- the average person can't tell that it's not an ideal cut and just notices the size).
 
welcome to Pricescope..please do not get so caught up in the numbers that you lose sight of what you have, a gorgeous Tiffany ring that will be a future heirloom. The HCA is a wonderful tool and is especially usuful when buying stones online or unseen. you had the benefit of seeing the stone and fell it love with it. that is what matters, you wear the diamond, not the cert or paper or HCA score. I''m sure your ring is stunning and you should wear it proudly!!
 
P.S. Here''s a 1.52 G VVS2 ACA H&A stone for price comparison purposes. How does this compare to what you paid?

P.P.S. A lot of posters here would tell you that if you do return it, VVS2 is overkill. A nice VS stone will be just as eye-clean for less like this 1.84 F VS2 H&A.
 
Truly, the lighting in Tiffany''s makes all the diamonds look wonderful! I''d simply go back and tell them you want them to get in some other etioles in that price range for you to see. See if any appeal to you more than others, but I''l bet they all look good! Then ask for the info on the certs and write it down carefully. There''s no reason not to get the best cut diamond possible, even from Tiffany''s! (If you want ideal cut, try for a table of 54-57, depth 60-62, crown angle 34-35, pavilion angle 40.6-41.) The depth on your stone could make it appear smaller than it should. What is the diameter measurement on the stone? A well cut 1.25 stone should be 7.0mm, so yours should be at least 6.9mm. And by the way, I think it is wonderful to have a Tiffany ring! They are special and beautiful, and we''d love to see your ring once you make a final decision!
 
Date: 9/3/2007 9:10:18 AM
Author: mrssalvo
welcome to Pricescope..please do not get so caught up in the numbers that you lose sight of what you have, a gorgeous Tiffany ring that will be a future heirloom. The HCA is a wonderful tool and is especially usuful when buying stones online or unseen. you had the benefit of seeing the stone and fell it love with it. that is what matters, you wear the diamond, not the cert or paper or HCA score. I''m sure your ring is stunning and you should wear it proudly!!
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Ditto.

Please, do not let something that has not seen your diamond sway you from what your eyes HAVE seen. It sounds gorgeous. Enjoy it!
 
ds, she wrote this:

in every light it simply glows, flashing and shooting colors..day,night, even under ugly office fluoresent the brightness and scintilation is startling..ive never seen such scintilation..


Sounds like she''s seen it everywhere (not just in Tif''s) and still loves it.
 
Date: 9/3/2007 9:40:49 AM
Author: Ellen
ds, she wrote this:


in every light it simply glows, flashing and shooting colors..day,night, even under ugly office fluoresent the brightness and scintilation is startling..ive never seen such scintilation..




Sounds like she''s seen it everywhere (not just in Tif''s) and still loves it.
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That seems way more important to me than whatever the paper says. If you were happy enough to plunk down the money for it in the first place, don''t let the paper and a number change your mind! It''s still that same beautiful stone you fell in love with!

..hmm, maybe we need some pics to make sure it''s as beautiful as you say.
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I just want to see pics!!! Sounds like GORGEOUS ring. If you are going to be unhappy with what the numbers tell you, then get TIffs to get in some more for comparison.

But really... sounds like you love it with your eyes! Do you think you could be happy with it now even if the numbers aren''t the greatest? There are plenty of people on here that have stones that don''t add up perfectly with the numbers but they still love them and they still look magnificent!

I am dying for some pics though!

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Date: 9/3/2007 9:40:49 AM
Author: Ellen
ds, she wrote this:

in every light it simply glows, flashing and shooting colors..day,night, even under ugly office fluoresent the brightness and scintilation is startling..ive never seen such scintilation..


Sounds like she''s seen it everywhere (not just in Tif''s) and still loves it.
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I just meant that if she goes back to Tiffany''s to look at other choices, she should know that they will all look good in that lighting. She did not have the opportunity to compare all the stones she looked at in lighting outside the store, I assume. And as Garry pointed out, she did not have the chance to compare them while dirty, which is apparently when some cuts will have problems. My old diamond is beautiful and I still love it even though it is far from ideal cut. Good cut diamonds are usually beautiful. But if I were buying from Tiffany, my stone would need to be both beautiful and mind clean! It may very well be that she''d choose this ring after comparing it to others anyway, and that is totally fine. But the time to deal with doubts is immediately while there is an exchange policy in effect! It costs nothing but a little time to go back and double check to relieve the doubts.
 
thank you all for replying...im very very disturbed by all of this ...in reply to the poster who asked about diameter...the ring diameter is 6.79-6.83x4.26mm..and you say it should be at least6.9??? im really upset about this , if the diameter is making it look smaller than it should be and is not correct,,............................ i don''t understand how the diamond could look so fantastic if the stats are so far off? i looked at several rings that tiffanys had sent in from other stores and choose this one and i was quite happy with it till i came across this site ...i thought i was gettin a excellent cut diamond...i dont see how it could look this good and not be cut well..yes i have seen it smuged and fingerprinted (still seems sparkling) though never dirty cause i always keep it clean..................................................................................... bought it on july 17 so i can''t return it (there is a 30 day policy on returns) though im not sure about exchanges...the sales person is someone ive worked with before and i trust and i cant imagine she would sell me an inferior stone ..as far as exchanges i dont have any idea about their pokcy regarding that.... i wonder if i got another etoile with better stats it would prbably look exactly the same,,..btw the price was 18,600..........higher dude to the heavy thick etoile band..the same ring in a knife edge was about 1,000 less so not very far off in price in comparison to the stone that the poster showed...the price is not a issue........................................................................as i said i was happy with it because its blinding with light and color but if its inferior or its dimensions are making it look smaller im not sure what to do..im sorry now i started looking around the net ..i should have left well enough alone
 
Hi there! I would say, call Tiffany and ask to speak to a manager. Then explain teh situation and ask if you can exchange it for the identical ring, but with a stone you like better. If they won''t exchange the ring, then just forget you ever read about diamonds numbers. The only point with knowing about them is to help people find a beautiful stone. If your stone looks so beautiful to you, then your work is done! Numbers or no numbers. And as for it being a little ''short'' around the edges. I''m a little short too! And lots of people love me anyway.
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Know what I mean? The quirks and ''flaws'' of a diamond are what give it a unique character. Love your diamond as it is! Sounds like it already gives you a tonne of pleasure, so just enjoy it and forget about everything you read on here.
 
Enjoy your ring! Share photos with us! It sounds like a beauty. You should not worry about anything, and go forward with the sparkle on your hand!
 
I have done a bit of research and had something to say on this, its bit lengthy so please bear with me. and also, I am just a regular ole consumer so I could very well have made a few mistakes throughout, and if so please direct me to those so I can learn more!

I would guess that what is happening here is really more a matter of personal preference.

It is important when you are talking about what the "right" numbers that have are, that you keep in mind how they decide what is "right."

they determine what is right by a variety of factors, some of easy to explain definitions are based on, for example, that the cutter should not be "hiding weight" in a diamond. To counteract this thick+ girdles lose points. But then there is also the matter of diamond security and safety, the idea is that cutters should not be cutting diamonds in such a way that they are prone to break thus very thin and lower girdles cause for deductions.

Thus, there are some obvious factors that everyone can agree on. But when it gets real tricky is when you are talking about what the "right" angles are. Obviously everybody percieves beauty different--or I daresay I wouldnt have myself a fiance right now. So its just a fact of life that a grading scale based on concepts of beauty is inefficient and can quickly become outdated and is at the best unreliable for someone else to use. Therefore, the critical components of cut grading are centered around scientific analysis.

Thus you have to look at what the primary function of cutting the diamond is. when you are talking about a modern RB cut, the real goal is to create beauty, true, but the real heart of cutting is to make the diamond reflect light. Thus, the only real way to create a cut grade is to base it on how efficiently it accomplishes that goal. To create a cut grade based on what % of light that enters the diamond returns back out the diamond. That is the skinny on cut grading.

However, while one person might like a diamond that returns 100% of light that enters through the top (though such a diamond doesnt exist) that same diamond might look terrible to another person.

This is because there are alot of different aspects to the light return. It doesnt just come back to you looking the same as it did when it went in. It isnt a mirror. Its dispersing the light and it is reflecting back to you in all sortof of different colors, in white light, and in various sizes and positions causing what we see as sparkle.

Thus there are different properties to the light return. However, as the total amount of light return decreases the visibility of various qualities can change. I believe it was Gary in fact who I have read saying that as white light return decreases it may be that the visible instances of fire increase, because there is less white light return "masking" the dispersion, thus making it more notable. Thus it is logical that as long as the diamond is returning a fair amount of light (as your cut certainly is, its not a Poor cut by any definition) Then exactly what % of light return truly speaks to your eyes the most is a very personal matter and gets back to the whole issue of beauty, which thank god is not defined universally.　

So you have one idea that having less % light return might actually speak to one person more than it does another person. Then you also have a variety of other factors like the LGF and star ratios and how having different LGF combined with differing % of light return can cause for a variety of different visual affects. Because there are so many diferent facets coming into play and so meny different angles interacting with one another to create what you are seeing it is just about impossible for you as a consumer to sit down and calculate exactly what you want and why you want it. That is what your eyes are for--though eyes can be tricky because you need to see it in a variety of situations. You have already seen your diamond in a variety of situations and your eyes have already determined that he intricate balance of angles facets LGF stars everything is speaking to you and is what you define as beauty. (and remember you are not alone, Some group of people at Tiffany agree with you on that point as well, remember, they have no reason at all to say that something they feel is not beutiful should be given there name, afterall, they make some pretty sweet profit margins already, though to be fair they obviously are not be particularly stringent on the idea that % light return has to be maxed out, but rather some other not so clearly defined definition of beauty).


So really you have to think, what do the numbers mean? what are they there for. For someone like me who really appreciates the scientific art of cutting, I am a big fan of maxing out % light return. But if one day I see a diamond that just knocks my socks off, I am going to get all the numbers on it and from then on I will aim for those dimensions, and % of light return be damned if taht is what I call beauty.

When it comes down to it the paper, numbers and grades are most importantly to be used as a means of understanding price. Its a system of determining what the market value of the diamond is and knowing that you paid inline with appropriate market prices.

If you can shop in person, its a very real alternative to go into a store and pick a diamond that looks beautiful to your eyes. Then you can look at the paper and determine if the price is fair per market value, if not move on until you find one with the same stats at a fair price, and if so feel free to purchase it as it is inline with your sense of beauty, just as you and your fiance see each other as beautiful though some others in the world might not. (though for anyone else reading this there are ways to trick people such as using certain lightings and certain color environments, so if using this method of selection as your primary means of selection you should become well informed before making any decisions).

and as to the idea that your diamond is facing up "small" thats pretty ridiculous to be honest. The light performance you are seeing that is what you call beautiful is based on the interplay of various angles. If you change the depth to say 61% you will get a little bit more visual spread, true, but you will also change the play of light. And it isnt like you are talking about a diamond with 64% depth or anything, and even the "ideal" cut parameters allow for a pretty handsome margin of depth %.

Obviously if you can find a diamond that performs in a way that you call it beautiful and it is .1-.2 mm larger in diameter thats awesome, but if the diamond that you love is .1-.2mm less in diameter than another diamond whos performance you dont like as much, well then thats just a matter of necesity of the angles required to creat the light performance that speaks to your eyes. Your case is certainly not an EXTREME case of depth % so dont let anybody make you feel bad because it is .1-.2 mm less in diameter than SOME other options.


So I say, you found yourself a winner, you love it and looking at the certificate you can verify that you paid the going market value for a Tiffany diamond with those specs, thus you got what fits your definition of beauty just as you fit your future husbands idea of beauty, and you got it at a fair market value price. Nothing wrong with that in my book.
 
I want to apologize, because I had the impression from your first post that you had "just" gotten the ring, assuming you were within the return/exchange period. I think that there are countless diamonds that are very beautiful that do not get the "ideal" grade. If you chose this stone over the others you saw, then it may very well be that you would not prefer a diamond with more "ideal" numbers. Tiffany only sells high quality diamonds, so there is no way that you got a bad diamond. We are used to advising people on here to look for ideal cut diamonds because they are known to be excellent in light performance and beauty. But there are still plenty of people on here who have beautiful stones that do not meet the numerical requirements for AGS ideal. My first diamond was certainly that way and it is still beautiful. I am sure your ring is beautiful, and I am sure most of us would be thrilled to have a Tiffany ring, period!
 
i want to thank everyone who anwered especially "working hard for small rewards" for such a long and thoughtful post..............................................................................................................................after ALOT of consideration im going to call tiffanys today and talk to a manager..the tiffany certificate i was givin before purchased the ring says-precision of cut- EXC... the GIA certificate that i got a few weeks after says- cut- VERY GOOD... so there seems to be a descrepency here ........so i might be able to persude them to let me trade the stone for one with exc gia cut and much better stats telling them that i expected what was on the tiffany certifcate to be on te GIA report ie: triple exc. don''t know if they will let me since its over 30 days ( but not much since i bought the ring on july18) but i have a good buying record there since ive bought other smaller diamond rings and jewelry in the past, .......can anyone think of anything else i can say to the manager to persuade him? just tell him i want better stats? can anyone thing of anything? ........................................................................ what exactly is causing my diamond to come up with bad stats? is it the depth? or the diameter? which would cause it to look smaller? if im paying for 1.22ct than i want it to looklike 1.22 not smaller..can some one give me the absolute best range of parameters for a great stone if they are willing to tade so ill have something to tell them what im looking for? diamond seeker mentioned some? are those the absolute best? ................................................................................also if i get a better stone am i really going to be able to see a difference,in size and brilliance? id hate to go to all the trouble for nothing but im just not satisfied anymore at this point and im a bit angry...i remeber a sales associate at tiffanys once told me that they cut each stone for maximum brillance depending on each stone ...so i geuss they dont pay alot of attention to stats ..they just try to meke each stone beautiful ..they feel all tiffanys stones are "ideal" and they certainly look it..i just want to get what i paid for ..the best...i know i asked alot of questions so im very gratefull to those who answer them... thanks again for all the help...
 
It sounds like it''s worth a try! And if it doesn''t work, enjoy what you''ve got. Emphasize to the manager that you''re a regular customer and hope to continue to be, maybe bluff that you''ve been looking at a friend''s IDEAL cut and you can really see the difference and feel disappointed after going back to the GIA certificate, you realize your cut isn''t as good as it could be. Tell them you''ve now done a LOT of research and you would like a diamond that falls within the very best statistical parameters

I''ll let someone more expert jump in and tell you what those number should be, but write them down adn take them with you!

But your diamond is both a little too deep (that''s what makes it look smaller) and the table is too large.
 
I found the stats! OK, write these down and tell the person at Tiffany that you want something which falls within these parameters. If you call in advance, maybe they can call some in to the store for you to see. But make sure to check the numbers on teh cut advisor before buying, since they have to work together too! These are for the very best (1a) class of diamonds as graded by AGS.

Table: 53-58%
Crown Angle: 34.0-34.7
Crown Height 14-16.3%
Pavilion Depth: 42.8-43.2%
Girdle: Thin to Medium (1.0% to 3.0%) OR
Medium to Slightly thick (1.7% to 4.5%)
Depth: 58-62.3%

Polish & Symmetry: Excellent -Very Good

And if the manager says no, make a small scene.
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And if that doesn''t work, just remember that your diamond is doubtless STUNNING. We''re talking about small gradations of beauty here, and every diamond deserves to be loved in its uniqueness!
 
since it seems to be bothering you so much, then going back to Tiffany''s and seeing if they will let you trade may be worth it. However you were able to view the diamonds before you bought and said this one really spoke to you and you love it in every lighting situation. Despite what the paper says, this is the diamond that spoke to you. Now, I do understand wanting the tiffany cert and the gia cert to match and think you might have a good case for the exchange since they don''t, but honestly, your stone is not a dog and although it is a touch deep for what is ideal here on PS, is isn''t by any means way too deep where you are losing a ton of spread. My OEC had a depth of 67%, failed the HCA miserably but was a gorgeous, gorgeous stone. I''m 100% sure you ring is just amazing and would outshine the average diamond ring that most ladies are wearing. But, you have to be happy. Good luck with the exchange and i hope you find what you are looking for. please keep us posted.
 
Date: 9/3/2007 8:12:32 AM
Author:patric2007
just bought a 1.22 RB etoile diamond from tiffany''s in nyc...i have no intrest in labels or brand names and i know i paid much more than if i had purchased from one of the online jewelers like blue nile or others..i know many people who purchased their rings and they are beautiful ..but something about this stone just jumped out at me..ive never seen such brilliance and fire on any diamond ever..in every light it simply glows, flashing and shooting colors..day,night, even under ugly office fluoresent the brightness and scintilation is startling..ive never seen such scintilation..now the problem...............................................................................................................i came across this site a week ago and checked the stats with the HCA and the score was HORRIBLE..i don''t understand this unless im doing something wrong..from the tiffany certificate and the GIA report that i insisted on and they were more than happy to supply... the stats are as follows: G color,VVS2,EXC CUT,EXC POLISH,EXC SYMMETRY....total depth percentage-62.6%,table size percentage-59%,crown angle-35.3,pavilion depth percentage-44.1%,girdle-med to slightly thick, no florescence................................................................can someone figure this out? ive never seen a brighter whiter diamond ever with such fire and scintillation... ..........................................................this has made me very upset and id appreciate any help in figuring this out ......thanks
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hi patric2007,

i am no expert, just a consumer who enjoys this forum. but i am a little concerned at how disappointed you''ve become in this stone based on numbers given your original description of this stone!! it sounds absolutely lovely, it sounds like you''ve seen plenty of diamonds to compare it to and it stood out, and it sounds like you''ve seen in it multiple lighting situations and it''s gorgeous. HCA can be a helpful tool, especially when trying to find diamonds online sight unseen, but it isn''t an absolute. many appraisers and pros in the industry will tell you your eyes still have it when all is said and done. it can''t hurt to go back and look at more diamonds and do some more comparisons using the numbers and guidelines found here, but don''t turn your back on this stone yet!!! i still keep going back to your original description where you described my (and most others) dream diamond!!!

you may find better, and if so, you''ll have a great stone and peace of mind. but you may not, this stone may really speak to you and i just want you to be careful not to dismiss that and wind up with a stone that is better by numbers but not to your eye.

best of luck!
 
thanks for all your replys...you have all been very nice and really helpful ..the ring is beautiful and i still think so, but since i paid a good amount of money and expected a exc cut stone im quite disapointed that the gia report is sayin "cut-very good " instead of "exc"..i dont know if side by side the diffence between "exc" and "very good" would make a diffence in the appearence of the diamond but id like to find out... .... ....................................................................................................................im going to talk to a manager at tiffanys today or tommorow to see if they will be receptive to me seeing other rings for a possible exchange and my question to as many posters who are willing to answer is; .........................................................if i find the same size stone (1.22ct) with a depth of 60 - 61 (mine is a 62.6) will i be able to see the diffence in size, with the stone side by side next to my diamond? is it barely visable with a better depth to the naked eye or noticable in side by side rings .................................................................................i geuss a better depth will enlarge the diameter of the diamond...ive been told to look for at least a 6.9... is that correct?...im only intrested at this point in getting the correct size and getting the accurate gia rating..of course im gonna have to love the ring too or whats the point?...........................................again thanks for any who answers the size questions and ill keep you all informed on what happens....
 
Patric I expect you would see a difference if you had a better proportion diamond of the same diameter and 0.05ct smaller carat weight side by side.

The better proportioned stone would appear to be larger because it would have a greater light return near the edges.

a 1.17ct better cut diamond should look bigger and cost about 12% less.

If you really need convincing then compare your stone to similar diameter and or similar weight diamonds of known good cut quality like Hearts on Fire, Lazar Kaplan and other brands you should be able to find in nearby stores.
Make sure your stone is very clean to be fair.
 
Date: 9/5/2007 7:35:29 AM
Author: patric2007
.........................................................if i find the same size stone (1.22ct) with a depth of 60 - 61 (mine is a 62.6) will i be able to see the diffence in size, with the stone side by side next to my diamond? is it barely visable with a better depth to the naked eye or noticable in side by side rings ................................................................................
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I''m am no expert like Garry but I would be totally surprised if you could see a difference in 2 tiffany stones the same weight with the slight difference in diameter when the stones are set. that is a hard difference to see when they are loose.

i agree with rainydaze, you seems so happy until you found this site and got ahold of numbers. most here would agree that your eyes will trump numbers anytime. try buying a cushion who no real guidelines whatsoever.

good luck at Tiffany''s but seriously, i hope you can move past all this and just enjoy what i''m sure is a gorgeous stone and ring...
 
If you like the stone, who cares about what some program on the internet says about it. Unless it is looking bad or cloudy, or just doesn''t look good to you, who cares what the HCA says about it.

It has been discussed on here before that HCA is not a Law. That there are stones that score poorly on HCA but are dazzling to see. I personally would not be concerned with it. You have a gorgeous ring. This is obvious to me as you had no issue with it until you plugged in the numbers. Don''t over think these things.
 
and one other thing. I don''t care how scientific people in the diamond business get about cuts, I am convinced everyone sees diamonds differently. My fiancee was totally unimpressed with HOF and H&A diamonds. She really wasn''t too crazy about what she saw at places like Jareds. She liked some of the stones at Cartier and Tiffs, though did not expect me to pay those prices. She really liked what she saw at Klein''s and IW Marks. Strangely enough, I think she was most impressed with with what we saw at Robins Bros.

So again, I am convinced that 2 diamonds will look entirely different to 2 different people. Heck, the same diamond may look differently to the same person on different occassions.

I will tell you this, there are people on here that think Tiffs is top of the line, and those who think Tiffs is the spawn of Satan. There are a few middle of the roaders, but not many.

So seriously, if you like your ring, I would suggest ignoring HCA.
 
Date: 9/5/2007 8:11:43 AM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 9/5/2007 7:35:29 AM
Author: patric2007
.........................................................if i find the same size stone (1.22ct) with a depth of 60 - 61 (mine is a 62.6) will i be able to see the diffence in size, with the stone side by side next to my diamond? is it barely visable with a better depth to the naked eye or noticable in side by side rings ................................................................................
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I''m am no expert like Garry but I would be totally surprised if you could see a difference in 2 tiffany stones the same weight with the slight difference in diameter when the stones are set. that is a hard difference to see when they are loose.

i agree with rainydaze, you seems so happy until you found this site and got ahold of numbers. most here would agree that your eyes will trump numbers anytime. try buying a cushion who no real guidelines whatsoever.

good luck at Tiffany''s but seriously, i hope you can move past all this and just enjoy what i''m sure is a gorgeous stone and ring...
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I have to agree. I bought a well cut 1.28 round, which was facing up a hair smaller than it should have. I ended up returning it for other issues, not for face up value. I then bought my now 1.40 round, which faces up just as it should, and I couldn''t even tell the difference between that size difference.
 
Side by side, she might see the difference. I had a way-deep .72 that faced up a little small, which was traded in for an ideal cut .7 that faces up juuuust right, and side by side the .7 looked obviously bigger. But could I tell the size difference if they weren't side by side? Probably not. I could DEFINITELY tell the cut difference, though.

This may have become a 'mind-clean' issue for the OP. In which case it makes sense for her to see what she can do about it. But if the answer is 'nada!' then I'm sure her diamond is WAY PLENTY gorgeous, and she will doubtless love it as such!
 
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