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mommybuss

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I currently have a 3ct round stone, H color, SI2. I have it set in a solitaire band and have been looking for my "dream" setting. Dh and I were away for the weekend (anniversary, no kids) and were window shopping. I saw IT the dream setting, so we went in. The couple that owned it were very friendly and helpful. He actually had made the setting. He says "do you want to see what it looks like with a diamond in it"....we say "sure". So he plops a 4.15ct round, J color, VS1.....and WOW, it''s beautiful. Now my question is.....do I go for the bigger diamond with the setting (dh likes the looks of the bigger diamond), or do I get the setting and put my stone in it? The color is lower, but honestly you wouldn''t know it by looking at it....which is crazy to me. The jeweler was very nice and let us take it outside to see how it looks in natural light. AMAZING, that thing sparkled like crazy.

Here is the GIA report grading (also, the report is from 2/2000-should it be updated?):

4.17
measurements: 10.5x10.64x6.14
depth: 58.1%
table: 63%
girdle: thin to med
culet: small
polish: good
symmetry: very good
clarity: VS1
color: J
fluorescence: none

Thank you for any/all help.....all of this diamond stuff is really confusing to me. I usually go off of how it LOOKS!! ;P
 
Welcome to pricescope. This thread may help you https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/upgrading-how-much-bigger-will-make-a-difference.58900/
I don''t know if you should go bigger; that is up to you
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The stone you gave info on is missing the pavilion angle, the cutlet, the crown angle; come back w/that info
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I''m excited for you that you found your dream setting! You''d be surprised at how long some of us have been looking!

Can you list the specs on your current diamond? Then we might be able to have an idea if one is better cut than the other. The J stone has a pretty large table. Between 54 and 57 or 58 is generally preferred around here. Of course, if you can compare the looks of both stones together in more than one lighting environment, that would be the best thing to do.
 
Thanks! I''m quite excited on the setting too!
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When you look at them (mine vs bigger) side by side the bigger one sparkles, shines and just looks "better". That''s why it gets so confusing....do you go by looks alone or the paper??? We took the bigger diamond outside and wowser, it was beautiful....very surprised that it was a "J" color.

Thanks for your response.
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Also, not sure if it matters, but the ring just got appraised for 30k more than what the purchase price is?!?! Oh and the cut grade is Very Good. Again, all confusing.

I don''t have the specs on my diamond....unfortunately, as I''m sure that would help alot! ;P
 
Ok, I just re-read my original post and I don''t why I put that my current diamond is a SI2 and a H (that was my previous diamond).....it''s actually a VS2 and a G!! I think I''ve been looking at too much info on diamonds today!! LOL Sorry about that!!
 
Hi Mommybuss!

Wow! What a great dilemma to have!
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Do you have a strong emotional connection to your original stone? If not, I say get the bigger one as you seem to be enamored and it''s a great story considering that you were lucky enough to find your perfect setting! Also, if you can''t discern the color difference ... why not?

If you do have strong emotional ties to your original stone, there is no question ... keep it! Bigger is alluring, however, it does not compete with the sentimentality associated with certain pieces. Besides, your original stone sounds lovely! It''s a great size and great color and clarity!

Now ... if you really just are building a case for the bigger stone and attempting to justify it to yourself ... post some specs and lets check that baby out! If she''s "ideal" ... you may have just won your argument.
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Good luck on whatever you decide and congrats on celebrating an anniversary and finding your "dream" setting!
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Thanks Sparkalicious for your response, the only other specs I was able to get are crown height 12.5, crown angle 34.0, and pavillion depth 43.0. Not sure what any of this means or if it helps at all???

I''m not attached to my current diamond as I just got it a couple of years ago. This whole 4ct is very unexpected but we LOVED the way it looked in the setting, so now it''s a consideration! LOL I think God put it there just to CONFUSE the heck out of me!
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My diamond now is nice, but I''m sure it''s not "perfect, ideal, excellent" whatever. I just don''t want to get rid of my diamond for one that maybe isn''t good quality!

Ok, I think I''m confusing myself even more.......

Thanks!!
 
I''ll check the Holloway Cut Advisor with what you provided and get back to you with the results ...
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Date: 12/6/2007 3:48:47 PM
Author: mommybuss
Thanks Sparkalicious for your response, the only other specs I was able to get are crown height 12.5, crown angle 34.0, and pavillion depth 43.0. Not sure what any of this means or if it helps at all???

Thanks!!
Okay Mommybuss - I just ran the numbers on your lovely new find and got the following results:

Total Visual Performance = 2.3, Very Good

Light Return - Very Good
Fire - Very Good
Scintillation - Very Good
Spread/Diameter for weight - Excellent

Now, not an expert, but from what I understand, anything under 2 is Excellent, however, this one being 2.3 it is not excellent but it is rated as "very good - worth buying if the price is right"

Don''t be discouraged, if you are ... Given that you only have the crown angle and pavillion depth instead of pavillion angle, the result might not be as accurate. If you are able to obtain the pavillion angle info, this might change the score on the HCA.

One of the experts on PS will likely be better able to explain what this 2.3 result means to you and the performance of your prospective diamond.
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Thank you for your help. Is there anyway from the numbers I have figure out what the pavillion angle would be? How far off are they usually? Also, if I take the total depth and subtract the crown height I would be able to figure out the lower half % is that right?

Thanks so much!! =)
 
Date: 12/6/2007 8:01:34 PM
Author: mommybuss
Thank you for your help. Is there anyway from the numbers I have figure out what the pavillion angle would be? How far off are they usually? Also, if I take the total depth and subtract the crown height I would be able to figure out the lower half % is that right?

Thanks so much!! =)
I''m not great with the math stuff, however, one very wise PSer informed me, so that I could find out this info for myself since my cert didn''t have it, that I could go to the GIA website and enter the cert number and it would pull up the info ... If it wasn''t available, you can email them. The lady who responded to me was so great. Really informative and willing to assist. Give it a try and they should be able to help you!
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Hi, Mommybuss, welcome to PS
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You might want to take the new stone to an independent appraiser, prior to purchase, and get a second opinion. It's a lot of money for a honking big stone
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I would want an impartial third party opinion--considering that you are dealing with an old grading report, without current cut grading information. Keep us informed about your diamond search. We are here to enable you
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Date: 12/5/2007 11:00:09 PM
Author: mommybuss
Thanks! I'm quite excited on the setting too!
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When you look at them (mine vs bigger) side by side the bigger one sparkles, shines and just looks 'better'. That's why it gets so confusing....do you go by looks alone or the paper??? We took the bigger diamond outside and wowser, it was beautiful....very surprised that it was a 'J' color.

Thanks for your response.
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Also, not sure if it matters, but the ring just got appraised for 30k more than what the purchase price is?!?! Oh and the cut grade is Very Good. Again, all confusing.

I don't have the specs on my diamond....unfortunately, as I'm sure that would help alot! ;P
Was the appraisal by an independent or by the jeweler selling the stone. That's quite a jump between purchase price and appraisal. We need to know who is doing the appraisal [not by name, but by their involvement in the sale]. In addition, I would like to see a cut grade of excellent, since that is the top grade for a GIA graded diamond. None of this means it isn't a beauty, but we would like to see you get the best rock that you can
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The relationship between the crown angle and pavillion angle are critical in determining the performance in a RB diamond.
 
Hi Marian......the appraisal was done by an independent appraiser. We have been calling around just to see what other 4ct diamonds are going for, which just makes all of this so much more confusing! ;P I swear it seems you can have the same diamond and it''s a totally different amount??? We did find a GIA certified, I color, Excellent cut, VS1, "ideal" porportions. We''re going back tomorrow to see it, as tonight we had the girls with us and it was getting crazy! LOL Unfortunately on the first diamond since the GIA report is so old they didn''t have the pavillion angle, only the depth. =(

Thanks for your help!! =)
 
Date: 12/6/2007 11:06:39 PM
Author: mommybuss
Hi Marian......the appraisal was done by an independent appraiser. We have been calling around just to see what other 4ct diamonds are going for, which just makes all of this so much more confusing! ;P I swear it seems you can have the same diamond and it's a totally different amount??? We did find a GIA certified, I color, Excellent cut, VS1, 'ideal' porportions. We're going back tomorrow to see it, as tonight we had the girls with us and it was getting crazy! LOL Unfortunately on the first diamond since the GIA report is so old they didn't have the pavillion angle, only the depth. =(

Thanks for your help!! =)
The second diamond sounds promising. Come back with the stats and we'll take a look. Don't feel the need to jump on the first diamond you see--especially one with a 63% table. Take a few deep breaths and press on. One of our members traded a 4ct in on a 5ct, so something special might be coming along through one of our trusted vendors!
 
Date: 12/6/2007 11:06:39 PM
Author: mommybuss
Hi Marian......the appraisal was done by an independent appraiser. We have been calling around just to see what other 4ct diamonds are going for, which just makes all of this so much more confusing! ;P I swear it seems you can have the same diamond and it''s a totally different amount??? We did find a GIA certified, I color, Excellent cut, VS1, ''ideal'' porportions. We''re going back tomorrow to see it, as tonight we had the girls with us and it was getting crazy! LOL Unfortunately on the first diamond since the GIA report is so old they didn''t have the pavillion angle, only the depth. =(

Thanks for your help!! =)
Have you seen the other 4 ct diamond yet? Please let us know...
 
No, unfortunately we didn''t make it over there yet.....sick kids! I will definitely let you know when I do see it. Thanks for all your help!
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Date: 12/8/2007 10:55:55 AM
Author: mommybuss
No, unfortunately we didn''t make it over there yet.....sick kids! I will definitely let you know when I do see it. Thanks for all your help!
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Hi Mommybuss! Any updates? Have you made a decision yet?
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If you can afford to, get the ring set with the larger diamond, and have the jeweler make a matching pendant with your current diamond.
 
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