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Hello everyone

I''m brand new to these forums and this site. I''ve been lurking around for a few days and decided if I want to get help specific to my issues I should register so I did. :) I found these forums via my girlfriend, actually. We went engagement ring shopping together one afternoon at Robbins Brothers (before I knew about PS and the forums). We both found a setting we love (Palladium tension setting) and it was $995 plus I bought the warranty which came to approximately $1100-1200. We asked Robbins Brothers how much it will cost to mount our own stone and were told about $100-200 depending on the size. Also, they can''t complete the setting order process until they have the diamond''s dimensions.

Now my issue is Robbins Brothers really wants to earn our diamond business but my gf and I both feel that even if they delete their lifetime diamond warranty it''s still too expensive vs buying our own stone from Blue Nile or one of the other online retailers. I understand that stores have lots of overhead vs online retailers and we even went to the Jewelry Exchange in Tustin, CA and put $300 deposit on a 1.02 ct M, VS1, slight blue fluorescence Asscher. That stone is $2450 or close to that. Right now I am totally unsure about what steps to take next. I know I''m not supposed to mention man-mades but I also have two RB (0.57 and 0.53 K color) coming in for comparison purposes from Apollo. Regarding the stone from Jewelry Exchange, I won''t lose the $300 but will become store credit if I don''t buy the diamond there. It really is a beautiful stone but was on the more expensive side but I didn''t want to lose it to someone else in case I didn''t find anything else.

I''ve looked at a few of the PS vendors and it seems Asschers are hard to find other than at Blue Nile and Mondera. Whiteflash has a few but have low ratings of 1-2 stars. I am so confused. Can someone please help shed some light and help me? Below are the criteria I have set for my stone.

1. Color: D-K (if on the low end I''d prefer at least medium blue fluorescence)
2. Cut: Very good+
3. Clarity: VS1-SI1 (SI1 as long as it is eye clean)
4. Carat: 0.5-1+
5. Symmetry/Polish: Very good+
6. Budget: Ideally I''d like to stay under $2000

I know my budget is probably unreal but I''ve already invested over $1000 on the setting. However, I have seen some nice stones at Blue Nile for under $2000 and many under $1900. But from what I''ve read some folks here (over generalization) do not like Blue Nile because of all the extra services they offer that get bundled into the stone''s price.

As for insurance, I will probably go with Jeweler''s Mutual. Pros and cons about them? What about other companies like Touchstone?

MANY thanks in advance!
Greg

PS: I''m not sure if this is the correct section for my thread. If it''s wrong I apologize.
 
I'd actually try to post this in RockyTalky. I'm definitely no diamond expert (shoes and food or cooking-I'm there, even gemstones a little bit, but diamonds-
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) but there are plenty in there who would love to help you out.

I wish you luck!!!! (And don't forget to post pics of your ring, diamond and setting-basically any pics that you have!)

And you could ask the mods to move this to RockyTalky so you don't have 2 posts to check on.

And Welcome to PS!!!
 
Welcome to Pricescope!

Yeah, you''ll get more bites in RT.

What I can answer:

1. The color that you see in rounds isn''t representative of the color you see in step cuts (aschers or ECs) so it may be that your J round synthetic looks plenty white, but a J asscher won''t.

2. Low stars on WF diamonds doesn''t necessarily mean that they''re dogs, more often it means that the stone hasn''t been examined in house. This happens more with fancy shapes that with rounds and princesses.

3. The downside to BN is that there usually isn''t anyone who can look at a stone and evaluate it for you. Try WhiteFlash, James Allen or Good Old Gold where you can talk to someone who is actually looking at the diamond you''re interested in. JA seems to have a decent selection these days, and it''s tricky to pick and asscher you can''t see in person.

4. Get that puppy appraised and insured before Robbins Bros. sets it. Tension settings are tricky things and you''d be wise to have your stone protected. There are other important details about this that hopefully someone else will cover.

5. It''s not much, but most of the PS vendors offer a small discount if you tell them that you''re a PS member.


James Allen Asscher Search
 
Thank you for the welcome! I sent an email via the "Contact us" link to request a thread move to RockyTalky per your suggestion. However, if any mods read this before receiving that email, please consider this a formal thread move request, as well.

Thanks!
Greg
 
That''s some good advice and I will try calling the vendors you mentioned tomorrow and get some of their advice. We compared the M color Asscher at the Jewelry Exchange to one of similar size and of better color quality, I believe it was a G or H color, VS1 and no fluorescence. The M color stone looked almost identical! I was really impressed and it was about half the cost just because it was M color, I presume, and main reason I put a deposit down on it.

Thanks for the welcome, too, and the advice!

-Greg

Date: 6/9/2008 6:24:32 PM
Author: mercoledi
Welcome to Pricescope!


Yeah, you''ll get more bites in RT.


What I can answer:


1. The color that you see in rounds isn''t representative of the color you see in step cuts (aschers or ECs) so it may be that your J round synthetic looks plenty white, but a J asscher won''t.


2. Low stars on WF diamonds doesn''t necessarily mean that they''re dogs, more often it means that the stone hasn''t been examined in house. This happens more with fancy shapes that with rounds and princesses.


3. The downside to BN is that there usually isn''t anyone who can look at a stone and evaluate it for you. Try WhiteFlash, James Allen or Good Old Gold where you can talk to someone who is actually looking at the diamond you''re interested in. JA seems to have a decent selection these days, and it''s tricky to pick and asscher you can''t see in person.


4. Get that puppy appraised and insured before Robbins Bros. sets it. Tension settings are tricky things and you''d be wise to have your stone protected. There are other important details about this that hopefully someone else will cover.


5. It''s not much, but most of the PS vendors offer a small discount if you tell them that you''re a PS member.



James Allen Asscher Search
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I would really recommend Good Old Gold for an asscher. However, since asschers are smaller face-up than rounds, you will be looking at a pretty small asscher for $2000. Call GOG and ask what they can access with your budget.

Did you look at that M stone in natural light? An M should definitely be noticeable compared to H-J, I would think.
 
Good Old Gold is on my list of contacts for tomorrow. I did a preliminary search at JA just now and they seem to have a nice selection, too. My GF''s hands are not very large (ring size is around 5.5-5.75) so a larger stone might look huge on her finger. I just have the carat size at 0.5-1+ just to see what I can find in my price range. There are surprisingly some over .7 carat! :)

As for the M color stone, we just viewed it under store lighting. I didn''t even look up to see what type it was other than fluorescent.

-Greg

Date: 6/9/2008 7:02:24 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
I would really recommend Good Old Gold for an asscher. However, since asschers are smaller face-up than rounds, you will be looking at a pretty small asscher for $2000. Call GOG and ask what they can access with your budget.


Did you look at that M stone in natural light? An M should definitely be noticeable compared to H-J, I would think.
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Welcome! When you have some contenders, post pics, links, as much info as possible here and our ''resident asscher expert'' storm will hopefully chime in and give you his opinion - I believe it will be either ''kickin'' or ''a dog'' but you can trust his opinion!
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I just got off the phone with my gf and she said something to me that I found, umm, interesting but funny. She prefers the color of the middle grade stones like L or M and without fluorescence. I asked why and she said so she knows it's her stone. Well, it's entirely up to her and I'll buy accordingly assuming I can find what she wants. If they were not so expensive, she'd want a fancy yellow!

Mondera has some L and lower color grades on their website. Here are some stats:

http://www.mondera.com/Diamond/diamondproduct.aspx?partno=589249#
0.81 ct, L color, VS2
5.3x5.11x3.5mm (a smidge off square but not bad)
cut/polish/symmetry: all very good
GIA cert

And another although this has med blue fluorescence:

http://www.mondera.com/Diamond/diamondproduct.aspx?partno=440062
0.72 ct, K color, IF
4.92x4.83x3.37mm (also a smidge off square)
cut/polish/symmetry: all very good
GIA cert

Gotta go home now so I'll post more info later.
 
Has she seen any L/Ms other than the one that looked almost like a G/H color?

Considering your budget, color, and cut shape, maybe you might try some of the antique/vintage dealers.
 
Nope, she''s only seen that one with fluorescence. I''ve seen some Apollos (I know...I know...just mentioning for comparison''s sake lol) that were K color but room lighting wasn''t the best for viewing. Stupid question but where can I find the vintage dealers? I guess I can just google search them, lol! But seriously, if you or anyone else has leads on a reputable antique/vintage diamond dealer, please let me know. I''m in the LA area (South Bay).

Is $2000 really that low? The 0.72 ct Asscher at Mondera is "only" $1391. There are many Asscher Signature cuts at BN that are between 0.50 ct and 0.60 ct and under $2000. Am I being too picky and too scrooge-like? Just curious. Answer honestly, for something like this there''s no need to sugar-coat anything.



Date: 6/9/2008 8:51:41 PM
Author: JulieN
Has she seen any L/Ms other than the one that looked almost like a G/H color?


Considering your budget, color, and cut shape, maybe you might try some of the antique/vintage dealers.
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Call up Single Stone, they are in LA.

2000 isn't a small amount. It's just that it is hard to see the windmill patterns in small Asschers. Are you still putting it in the tension setting?

To me, M is distinctly "yellowish." K/L is off-white.
 
Okay. So sugar coating aside?

You keep talking about carat size. Are you aware the asscher are one of the WORST cuts for size versus carat weight? (I'm an asscher owner myself).

Asschers under 5.5 for a center are generally not worth the time as center stones because they are too small (I'm sure there are a couple exceptions) to appreciate the patterns. If you are looking to spend only that much and want a step cut, I'd got for a rectangular Emerald cut as they will look larger. Or best yet, forget the step cuts and get an oval or a pear as they cost less per carat than a round and have similar spread (spread means mm size compared to carat weight). I don't know how an oval or pear would look in your setting though, so that may not be workable.

Also I would not buy an asscher or an emerald cut... or ANY fancy from Mondera or Blue Nile. Fancys ABSOLUTELY MUST be seen to be chosen and even 'perfect' numbers can frankly turn out a very unattractive stone. If you are looking to purchase ANY fancy I would work with ONE trusted vendor who can source (call in from other dealers) stones for you and send you a number of pictures, and an ASET.

Finally, if you have the room in the budget for some wiggling, and considering she has a size 5 finger, and considering you live in LA. I'd open up the budget a little. Another 1K would be very helpful in getting you something lovely. Basically, take the price of the setting out of the equation.

Also regarding step cuts (asscher and ECs): they SHOW color. And you looked at the M under bright lights. I've seen J Royal Asschers under multiple lighting conditions-- and that's a step cut that is cut for light return and it was noticably tinted. Now I personally love the warmth... but it's not something I would get a woman without knowing she'd apprecaite the look. I know she said that she'd be okay with it because she'd know it was hers. But with a loupe and a couple of VS2 inclusions, she'll know its hers anyway. Plus, as an asscher owner, asschers have personality, they are usually pretty unique and normally can't be replaced or stollen that easily and pass unnoticed. And if a jeweler is going to go through the trouble, its not going to be to a hard to replicate stone in a tinted color. And you don't have to go up to G, I think J is a good place if she's okay with tinted stones.

In a nutshell. If you can do it... I'd rethinking everything except the setting-- as long as you ARE SURE she is going to love the tension setting (which I assume she does since you picked it together). The cut of stone you are looking at, the budget... and the color of the stones you are looking at are for me... up for a hard look.
 
Stones from some vendors are just virtual listings of stones that are actually at a supplier. I think you''ll get more help picking a cushion from a vendor like Good Old Gold who frequently selects asschers for people and usually keeps some in-house. They can screen the listings and choose ones to call in that are likely good. It costs some money to call in stones, so you don''t want to have more than one person looking at a time.

I hope she doesn''t limit you to looking at L-M only, because there may not be many asschers available in those colors.
 
Gypsy, wow, I had no idea that Asschers were the worst cuts in that respect. Very interesting. And thank you for your candor, it''s refreshing to read and I very much appreciate it especially since I''m new to this board. Normally I don''t get people to be this frank with me til they''ve known me for a while.

I have a question for you, though. We''ve looked at some Asschers under all sorts of lighting including a color-corrected daylight desk lamp at Robbins Bros. Now I know that''s not what we''ll always see the stone under but it seemed very brilliant. Maybe we were still in diamond learning mode, LOL! But seriously, they did look very nice compared with other shapes like some RBs. We had one of the Robbins Bros MSID rounds to compare to an Asscher. Granted the MSID was much more brilliant than the Asscher, we still loved the shape of the Asscher over the MSID. It just seems more complex than almost any other shape out there. I personally don''t care for ovals or pears or even hearts for that matter. They don''t have the depth that an Asscher has and I feel that their shape is just odd.

I think I''ll try to work with WF, GOG and JA since it seems they actually stock the diamonds they list online or at least may have seen them at one point. Also, what is ASET? Sorry, I am so new to diamonds I don''t know all the acronyms yet.

As for budget, that''ll be tough. I''ll see what I can do to get a little more towards the stone but not sure it''ll be much more.

What color was the tint in the J color RA? She actually likes the slight coloration in a stone. If she could have it her way, she''d LOVE an M or N color, VS1+, ideal cut stone. We saw one at Jewelry Exchange that was slightly colored faint yellow (aka treated) and it was a gorgeous stone but it wasn''t real color. Is that what you mean by tinted or was it white but reflected various tinted colors?

As of now, she loves the setting I''ve purchased. And you''re correct, we both chose it but I really left it up to her since she''s the one wearing it. Once I was comfortable knowing that was the one she wanted I went back and bought it.

So, basically, I am not ignoring your advice, or I hope it doesn''t sound like I am, and I will discuss the points you mentioned with her and get her feedback. I really appreciate your input especially since you own an Asscher already. It makes your thoughts that much stronger.

-Greg

Date: 6/9/2008 11:46:28 PM
Author: Gypsy
Okay. So sugar coating aside?


You keep talking about carat size. Are you aware the asscher are one of the WORST cuts for size versus carat weight? (I''m an asscher owner myself).


Asschers under 5.5 for a center are generally not worth the time as center stones because they are too small (I''m sure there are a couple exceptions) to appreciate the patterns. If you are looking to spend only that much and want a step cut, I''d got for a rectangular Emerald cut as they will look larger. Or best yet, forget the step cuts and get an oval or a pear as they cost less per carat than a round and have similar spread (spread means mm size compared to carat weight). I don''t know how an oval or pear would look in your setting though, so that may not be workable.


Also I would not buy an asscher or an emerald cut... or ANY fancy from Mondera or Blue Nile. Fancys ABSOLUTELY MUST be seen to be chosen and even ''perfect'' numbers can frankly turn out a very unattractive stone. If you are looking to purchase ANY fancy I would work with ONE trusted vendor who can source (call in from other dealers) stones for you and send you a number of pictures, and an ASET.


Finally, if you have the room in the budget for some wiggling, and considering she has a size 5 finger, and considering you live in LA. I''d open up the budget a little. Another 1K would be very helpful in getting you something lovely. Basically, take the price of the setting out of the equation.


Also regarding step cuts (asscher and ECs): they SHOW color. And you looked at the M under bright lights. I''ve seen J Royal Asschers under multiple lighting conditions-- and that''s a step cut that is cut for light return and it was noticably tinted. Now I personally love the warmth... but it''s not something I would get a woman without knowing she''d apprecaite the look.


In a nutshell. If you can do it... I''d rethinking everything except the setting-- as long as you ARE SURE she is going to love the tension setting (which I assume she does since you picked it together). The cut of stone you are looking at, the budget... and the color of the stones you are looking at are for me... up for a hard look.
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Yup, I asked Mondera about why they can''t just tell me if it''s in stock or not and he told me everything. I definitely feel more comfortable talking to someone on the other end who is a gemologist and can walk me through what the stone looks like etc. I had no idea that they charge for pulling stones for that purpose. I don''t think she''ll limit me to that color range at least I hope not. I''d prefer what I think is a medium grade diamond: lower near colorless (H/I), very good cut/polish/symmetry, VS1 or VS2. Nothing super spectacular (with a corresponding super spectacular price tag) and nothing super boring.

Date: 6/9/2008 11:51:10 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Stones from some vendors are just virtual listings of stones that are actually at a supplier. I think you''ll get more help picking a cushion from a vendor like Good Old Gold who frequently selects asschers for people and usually keeps some in-house. They can screen the listings and choose ones to call in that are likely good. It costs some money to call in stones, so you don''t want to have more than one person looking at a time.


I hope she doesn''t limit you to looking at L-M only, because there may not be many asschers available in those colors.
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Greg, you can ignore my advice all you want. It's just my personal experiences and observations. So, yours could and might well be very different. It's all valid. So please, don't feel like you have to take my advice. Ultimately with any fancy the actual stone you buy has to appeal to YOU (and by YOU, I'm using the plural for you and your lady). It does NOT matter what I think of it AT ALL. As long as YOU love it... what does it matter??? Just make sure you are getting what you pay for (what with the certs, make sure you are really getting an M, and not a P and are getting a VS and not an SI if that's what you want) and that you are happy with it.

Regarding spread-- cushions and asscher generally (and there ARE definitely exceptions to this rule) and princesses generally kinda suck for spread. They usually and routinely have depths in the high sixties and sometimes in the seventies (for princesses especially)... combine that in an asscher with a high crown that a well cut asscher needs for brightness and fire, and add the fact that the patterns draw your eyes inward... they face up and look small for their carat weight. A one carat asscher is typically around 5.5 to (and this would be a pretty shallow one carat) 6.0 mm. A one carat round in comparison will face up 6.5 when 'ideal' cut.

As for brilliance, my asscher is very bright and throws some beautiful fire. So have all the PS asschers I've seen (and we have a nice representation of asscher at Nor Cal GTG, a lot of really lovely knockout asschers). It's a different sort of fire and brightness than a round, but for those who love them... nothing compares. But if you are a size person (and your lady might not be) they frequently aren't the shape for you. Plus they are a PITA to keep clean. But that said, I do love my asscher. And I know many happy asscher owners. I know you've said you are captivated by them... and so is my fiance. But is your lady? I only ask because like I said, my fiance is captivated by asschers and nothing compares. But while I love my asscher. If I had to do it all over again, I probably wouldn't pick one for my engagement ring center. I love mine and appreciate it, but the spread bugs me. And I have good spread on mine. Make sure she LOVES an asscher. The cheif complaints from asscher owners is that a) they face up small b) hard to keep clean c) have to pay more for one because they show inclusions easily so you need higher clarity and unless they are like your lady, you they show color so you need higher color d) the 'is that a princess' comments. If she loves them though, she'll overlook all of those 'quirks'... if you love them and she doesn't... they may wear on her.

I would work with those same vendors. They are highly regarded on here. GOG would be my first choice among those just because of their record with finding incredible asschers. BUT since your lady loves warmer colors and you are in LA, I heartily second the Singlestone suggestion. They are a GREAT vendor and love PSers and understand them from everything I've heard. Plus I just saw two of their rings and they were just flat out lovely.

The tint on the RAs were yellowish if you want to know what I mean... GOG has a color tutorial that will show you the tints in stones with pics that will give you a good idea what I mean. Like I said, I LOVED them the RAs (I saw two Js. One was 1.25 and a bit smaller than my 1.09 and a 4 carat that was, naturally, TDF). I flat out would go for one.


About color. It sounds like she knows her mind. If she does. Great, get her what she wants, if that's an M... great, it will help your budget out too! I'd plan a trip to Singlestone ASAP and just double check and to get a good look at some really cool jewelry (I'm dying to go myself). Make an appointment and tell Ari that you want to talk to him about warmer stones (J-M) and asschers and are hoping to look at some of his stones and get a little more educated about color and types of cut. From everything I've heard from anyone who has met him or called him, its worth the trip and a good time.


If the budget stretch is hard for you DON'T DO IT. I only said that because it sounded like you have room from a previous post. If you do not have room and it will be tight, don't do it. Especially as she loves warmer colors.
 
http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/Color/FaintTint/ this page will help you with your color questions. Keep in mind that in the face up pics ... since these are well cut rounds they will mask color better than step cuts will. So the color is going to be somewhere between the side view and the face up of a round.

GOG really is a great vendor for information. OH... you asked about ASET pics. If you pick with your eyes and you love the stone... I (personally) wouldn''t worry about an ASET pic, but if you are buying online, for fancies its a must because it will tell you how the diamond will perform. It''s the really colorful pic on this page: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3692/ the colors mean different things, and if you want to know more about the colors and what they mean... do a search on here for ASET, and you''ll turn up old threads that discuss them.
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Gypsy-

I am not ignoring your advice at all. I find it very informative and, especially since I''m new to all this diamond shopping, it helps me tremendously! Much appreciated!
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I''ve already learned that we need to buy what we both love. After all, it''s what makes us happy and that''s what matters the most. It''s not about keeping up with the Joneses. I just got off the phone with Ari at Single Stone and told him what I''m looking for and he''ll call me back later today. Hope he finds something!

-Greg
 
Hi and welcome,
Jewelers Mutual is a wonderful company. The nicest people and they answer the phone when you call. They also make signing up for insurance extremely easy.
 
Date: 6/10/2008 1:21:21 AM
Author: Gypsy
Greg, you can ignore my advice all you want. It''s just my personal experiences and observations. So, yours could and might well be very different. It''s all valid. So please, don''t feel like you have to take my advice. Ultimately with any fancy the actual stone you buy has to appeal to YOU (and by YOU, I''m using the plural for you and your lady). It does NOT matter what I think of it AT ALL. As long as YOU love it... what does it matter??? Just make sure you are getting what you pay for (what with the certs, make sure you are really getting an M, and not a P and are getting a VS and not an SI if that''s what you want) and that you are happy with it.

Regarding spread-- cushions and asscher generally (and there ARE definitely exceptions to this rule) and princesses generally kinda suck for spread. They usually and routinely have depths in the high sixties and sometimes in the seventies (for princesses especially)... combine that in an asscher with a high crown that a well cut asscher needs for brightness and fire, and add the fact that the patterns draw your eyes inward... they face up and look small for their carat weight. A one carat asscher is typically around 5.5 to (and this would be a pretty shallow one carat) 6.0 mm. A one carat round in comparison will face up 6.5 when ''ideal'' cut.

As for brilliance, my asscher is very bright and throws some beautiful fire. So have all the PS asschers I''ve seen (and we have a nice representation of asscher at Nor Cal GTG, a lot of really lovely knockout asschers). It''s a different sort of fire and brightness than a round, but for those who love them... nothing compares. But if you are a size person (and your lady might not be) they frequently aren''t the shape for you. Plus they are a PITA to keep clean. But that said, I do love my asscher. And I know many happy asscher owners. I know you''ve said you are captivated by them... and so is my fiance. But is your lady? I only ask because like I said, my fiance is captivated by asschers and nothing compares. But while I love my asscher. If I had to do it all over again, I probably wouldn''t pick one for my engagement ring center. I love mine and appreciate it, but the spread bugs me. And I have good spread on mine. Make sure she LOVES an asscher. The cheif complaints from asscher owners is that a) they face up small b) hard to keep clean c) have to pay more for one because they show inclusions easily so you need higher clarity and unless they are like your lady, you they show color so you need higher color d) the ''is that a princess'' comments. If she loves them though, she''ll overlook all of those ''quirks''... if you love them and she doesn''t... they may wear on her.

I would work with those same vendors. They are highly regarded on here. GOG would be my first choice among those just because of their record with finding incredible asschers. BUT since your lady loves warmer colors and you are in LA, I heartily second the Singlestone suggestion. They are a GREAT vendor and love PSers and understand them from everything I''ve heard. Plus I just saw two of their rings and they were just flat out lovely.

The tint on the RAs were yellowish if you want to know what I mean... GOG has a color tutorial that will show you the tints in stones with pics that will give you a good idea what I mean. Like I said, I LOVED them the RAs (I saw two Js. One was 1.25 and a bit smaller than my 1.09 and a 4 carat that was, naturally, TDF). I flat out would go for one.


About color. It sounds like she knows her mind. If she does. Great, get her what she wants, if that''s an M... great, it will help your budget out too! I''d plan a trip to Singlestone ASAP and just double check and to get a good look at some really cool jewelry (I''m dying to go myself). Make an appointment and tell Ari that you want to talk to him about warmer stones (J-M) and asschers and are hoping to look at some of his stones and get a little more educated about color and types of cut. From everything I''ve heard from anyone who has met him or called him, its worth the trip and a good time.


If the budget stretch is hard for you DON''T DO IT. I only said that because it sounded like you have room from a previous post. If you do not have room and it will be tight, don''t do it. Especially as she loves warmer colors.
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Great info as always Gypsy!
 
Thank you LWD. Love your AV!

Greg, I wish you the best of luck and I''m envious of your pending trip to Singlestone. It''s number one on my list of places to visit next time I''m down south. If you feel like it, take a camera with you (one with a macro function) and snap some pics-- and um... post them. Even if he doesn''t have the ''one'' for you that day, he''ll have some nice eye-candy I''m sure.
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Gypsy,

Thanks! I hope he''ll let me photograph stuff. We''ll see.
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-Greg

Date: 6/10/2008 3:40:18 PM
Author: Gypsy
Thank you LWD. Love your AV!


Greg, I wish you the best of luck and I''m envious of your pending trip to Singlestone. It''s number one on my list of places to visit next time I''m down south. If you feel like it, take a camera with you (one with a macro function) and snap some pics-- and um... post them. Even if he doesn''t have the ''one'' for you that day, he''ll have some nice eye-candy I''m sure.
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I think some folks have taken pics there, so I''m gonna stay hopeful. When is your appointment for???
 
Ari didn''t call me back so I called him back like he said I should do if I didn''t hear from him. We discussed various things including the simple fact that what I''m looking for will be very difficult to find. Not many people want the warmer stones so inventory is just not there. I told him I have a deposit on another stone as a backup (Jewelry Exchange stone) in case I didn''t find an M/N color. I think that confused him a lot. Then I asked him what he can find in my price range that might be near colorless VS1-SI1 or eyeclean. I think he took offense to that because he sounded frustrated. He asked me why I didn''t say something earlier as it would have made the search easier. I thought that we were on the same page that our first choice was to be M/N then we''d look at others. Then he tried to push some cushion shapes. Needless to say I didn''t feel like calling him back today like I said I would. I don''t know what happened but I don''t think I''ll go there now. I just didn''t appreciate the way he was talking to me and made me feel like an idiot. I have a couple of stores to check out in the jewelry district and we''ll see what happens.
 
Oh. I''m so very sorry. I feel responsible. Well. I totally understand NOT wanting to go there!
 
Gypsy, it''s not your fault at all. I don''t think Ari was fully paying attention to me to start. I''m sure that he has better luck serving clientele with more common requests. What I''m looking for is a needle in a haystack, so to speak. Most likely we''ll just find something in the jewelry district or use one of the Apollos I have already. Thanks again for your help!
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I hate to keep saying this, but Jonathan at Good Old Gold is really an asscher expert and has picked many, many asschers for people on this board. I don''t think you can limit anyone to just M-N color, though, because I don''t see many stones of ANY shapes in those colors. I can see requesting J-K-L-M, perhaps, but M-N will be extremely limiting. Cut is the most important factor in the beauty of a diamond, and that really needs to be the first priority.
 
Well, I AM sorry he didn''t give you the attention you deserve. But if you are willing to give it one more go... I would second DS''s suggestion.
 
I know, I was supposed to call them but I''ve been very busy at work which leaves little time to call them during their office hours. I agree that just looking for M/N is nearly, ok mostly, impossible but Ari knew I was looking for a warmer color than near colorless and preferably without fluorescence. If I have time tomorrow I''ll call GOG but this week doesn''t look good so far.


Date: 6/11/2008 11:50:08 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
I hate to keep saying this, but Jonathan at Good Old Gold is really an asscher expert and has picked many, many asschers for people on this board. I don''t think you can limit anyone to just M-N color, though, because I don''t see many stones of ANY shapes in those colors. I can see requesting J-K-L-M, perhaps, but M-N will be extremely limiting. Cut is the most important factor in the beauty of a diamond, and that really needs to be the first priority.
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