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pumpkn888

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Hello,

My boyfriend and I are on the hunt for the perfect diamond, and, we think we have two narrowed down. One is from the internet: goold old gold, and the second is from a store in the city. Both are similar in specifications and only $1500 difference in price.

The one from Good old Gold is:
1.70
G
VS2
No Florescence
AGS lab graded
Hearts and Arrows
Ideal, Ex, Ex

The one from the store is:
1.76
G
VS2
Faint Florescence
GIA lab graded
Ideal, Ex, Ex

So, my questions are this:
1. Are hearts and arrow cuts, and GIA ideal cuts so similar they could be considered the same thing? We heard from the store that hearts and arrows is just a brand name but that the cuts are both ideal and that means the same thing. Is that true?

2. In the stone from Good Old Gold, I occasionnally see yellow color reflected. I know that its a letter G, and that means yellow could be present, but this isn''t visible in the stone when you turn it on its side (as is typically the easiest way to see it) but rather in non-direct light, when light is reflected inside of it, I''m seeing yellow presence pretty noticeably. Does this mean anything bad? I was wondering if its b/c there is no florescence to counter the yellow but I don''t know if thats even a valid thought. It looks very white when no light is in it, but has strong yellow presence in the middle when you look directly into the center of it in non-direct light, but its so firey and sparkley in direct sunlight that it actually blinds me sometimes. What could be causing this? Is yellow reflection poorer than say blue, white or red?

3. We want to take this internet stone in and compare it with the one in the store we have on hold. We figured we''d tell them we want to make sure that it is better than the internet one, and either way we''ll do business with them (they can set the internet one if it beats out the other) but we don''t want to create any bad blood. Does anyone have recommendations on how to do this without any hard feelings between us? The woman at the store has been very accommodating, though, sometimes a little exaggerated/embelished if you are somewhat educated on the subject.

Would greatly appreciate any information you have. I am SO excited that I''ll have a ring soon, but I want the stress of picking the right one to be over so I can get the best one for the money and be able to just love it.

THANK YOU!!
-Deb
 
Hi Pumpkin - Sounds like you have a fun day set up for tomorrow.

Your question 1 is a technical question that has many threads here about the nuances of what hearts and arrows means, that fact that GIA does not actually have an ideal grade, and so on. You should spend some time searching and reading more threads, because depending on how picky you want to be, the answer to your question could be yes, no, or maybe.

Question 2 - The color grade G refers to the color of the body of the stone, and is not the yellow color that you see being reflected back at you. The diamond is probably reflecting back something that is yellow in the environment...your shirt, the walls, the lighting... A D color diamond would reflect back in the same way (given the same cut, etc.)

Question 3 - You can be sure that the folks in the store will want to sell you their diamond! Bear that in mind.

Good luck!
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I ditto the comments from the previous poster and want to add that if you have room on your cc, order the GOG stone so that it gets shipped out to you and you can take it directly to the other store for comparison. Jonathan doesn''t mind (I''m doing the same thing but with 2 stones).
 
Date: 10/31/2008 9:29:15 PM
Author: Fly Girl
Hi Pumpkin - Sounds like you have a fun day set up for tomorrow.


Your question 1 is a technical question that has many threads here about the nuances of what hearts and arrows means, that fact that GIA does not actually have an ideal grade, and so on. You should spend some time searching and reading more threads, because depending on how picky you want to be, the answer to your question could be yes, no, or maybe.


Question 2 - The color grade G refers to the color of the body of the stone, and is not the yellow color that you see being reflected back at you. The diamond is probably reflecting back something that is yellow in the environment...your shirt, the walls, the lighting... A D color diamond would reflect back in the same way (given the same cut, etc.)


Question 3 - You can be sure that the folks in the store will want to sell you their diamond! Bear that in mind.


Good luck!
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Ditto :)

My E colour H&A reflects yellow sometimes as well usually when I am in a yellow room or the light is yellow, it will also reflect other colours as well personally I think it is fun and just another cool aspect of the individual diamond personality :).

ETA: If you can post the numbers of each stone it would help people comment easier on each :). Good luck with your appointment :).
 
Date: 10/31/2008 9:29:15 PM
Author: Fly Girl
Hi Pumpkin - Sounds like you have a fun day set up for tomorrow.

Your question 1 is a technical question that has many threads here about the nuances of what hearts and arrows means, that fact that GIA does not actually have an ideal grade, and so on. You should spend some time searching and reading more threads, because depending on how picky you want to be, the answer to your question could be yes, no, or maybe.

Question 2 - The color grade G refers to the color of the body of the stone, and is not the yellow color that you see being reflected back at you. The diamond is probably reflecting back something that is yellow in the environment...your shirt, the walls, the lighting... A D color diamond would reflect back in the same way (given the same cut, etc.)

Question 3 - You can be sure that the folks in the store will want to sell you their diamond! Bear that in mind.

Good luck!
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Ditto - with a well cut and reliably graded G, you should not see any yellow from the stone itself.
 
Thanks everybody! We had a great day today! The two stones are super close in every way. We brought the internet one in and compared it with the store one in all sorts of lights and angles. The internet GOG stone was a little more yellow in color when compared side by side to the store stone, and we were able to see hearts and arrows in the non-specified H+A stone, so I think we are leaning toward the store one. It seems whiter and a bit more firey. I think I also like the more blue sparkles that it has than I do the yellow that seems to be present in the GOG internet one.

My man is going to take it from here, thankfully, and, honestly, I''ll be thrilled with whichever one he picks. They both truly are beautiful stones and I can''t wait til one of them is mine : )

Has anyone ever returned a ring to GOG? I''m not sure if we use their shipping number to send it back and then they deduct it from the refund or what? Anyone have any info to share on that?

Thanks in advance - you all "rock"! :) haha.
 
When you say firey it seems like it was viewed in spot light ...have you compared the two in diffused light? that what shows the brightness if i was not mistaken?
 
Sorry - the use of "Firey" there was my own definition if it being sparkly and having different colors come out of it. I think the store one has a bit more color/sparkle/fire to me. (Again, my own definitions)

Is the diffused light the one that allows you to see the diamond color? If so, we did compare the two under that and the store one looked less yellow. Both are G stones.
 
am not expert but so many great ones can chime in....the best way to see the color is when you review the stone face down against white background in diffused lighting...when they face you it is more difficult to see the yellow especially when both are G..Again i could be wrong since am not expert.
GOG has excellent educational videos on the subject that taught me a lot.
 
yes, we did that in the store today. we put both stones in the white tray and compared them under the diffused light. the GOG stone was more yellow of a G than the store stone.

In addition to the slight yellowish color of the GOG stone itself, the sparkle from it in natural light seems more yellow than the other stone. The other one seems to have more blue in its sparkle which I think I like better.

Sorry if my explanations are confusing - I don''t know the proper terms.
 
congrats on both the stone and the great eyes you have.
 
The slightly whiter look on the store stone could be due to the faint blue fluor.

EDT:
Any chance you have the store stone's depth, table, crown and pavilion numbers?
 
Date: 11/1/2008 6:11:35 PM
Author: pumpkn888
yes, we did that in the store today. we put both stones in the white tray and compared them under the diffused light. the GOG stone was more yellow of a G than the store stone.

In addition to the slight yellowish color of the GOG stone itself, the sparkle from it in natural light seems more yellow than the other stone. The other one seems to have more blue in its sparkle which I think I like better.

Sorry if my explanations are confusing - I don't know the proper terms.
I don't know if you are actually noticing yellow in a superbly cut G colour....You might start noticing a little warmth in I or J from the side, but with the G it is probably a reflection of the surroundings - a G is a very white diamond.

As to the colour, I think you might be noticing blue coloured light or fire for the blue sparkle - this will change depending on the available light the diamond has to work with, so I wouldn't base a purchase decision on that alone, it might not behave that way in other lighting away from the store.
 
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