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well I''m ready to buy a diamond... but my head is spinning with all the options and what to look for.. need help from the experts.. i was looking at this diamond ...what is your opinion?

Carat Weight: 1.60
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Depth%: 62.6
Table %: 57
Symmetry: EX
Polish: EX
Girdle: M-FAC
Culet: N
Fluorescence: N
Measurements: 7.44-7.49-4.67 Cut Grade: Ideal/Excellent

Price: $9,397.25

thanks!
 
what are the crown and pavilion angles? Do the vendor provide Idealscope/ASET images?
 
Date: 5/19/2009 11:04:34 AM
Author:bru
well I'm ready to buy a diamond... but my head is spinning with all the options and what to look for.. need help from the experts.. i was looking at this diamond ...what is your opinion?

Carat Weight: 1.60
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Depth%: 62.6
Table %: 57
Symmetry: EX
Polish: EX
Girdle: M-FAC
Culet: N
Fluorescence: N
Measurements: 7.44-7.49-4.67 Cut Grade: Ideal/Excellent

Price: $9,397.25

thanks!
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Hi Bru,

Well it is a bit deeper than I prefer but we need the -

crown and pavilion angles

These will be on the GIA report if it is a recent one - I take it the diamond has a GIA report? If not which lab graded the diamond?

Have you seen it in person in a store or is it with an online seller?
 
Crown - 15%

Pavilion - 43%

No, I don''t see any Idealscope/ASET images.. im looking at www.abazias.com
 
no GIA report - the lab is EGL Israel...
 
Date: 5/19/2009 11:16:16 AM
Author: bru
no GIA report - the lab is EGL Israel...
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Ok, EGL Israel are thought to be softer on grading than GIA or AGS...This thread explains further

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/grading.asp

The diamond appears to have complementary crown and pavilion percents so it could be a good looking diamond, but the grading is a matter to consider and the depth is a bit higher than I like also.

If you want to pursue this diamond then I would suggest you get the diamond appraised by an independant appraiser and make the sale final on it checking out to your satisfaction in all aspects.

Here is a tool you can use to find an appraiser in your area.

https://www.pricescope.com/appr_list.aspx

If you wish, let us know what you are looking for and budget, maybe we could suggest some diamonds you might like?
 
Could be good from the numbers but EGL Israel is known to be soft in grading of color and clarity, could be worse by a factor of 2. If you are still interested, best to get it independently appraised.

Pricewise looks good, 1.55c I SI1 is priced at 8-9k. Check that it is eye-clean as it could be an SI2 if graded by GIA/AGS.
 
Thanks for all the quick responses!

I actually think I found a better diamond... graded by GIA

Shape: Round
Carat weight: 1.42
Cut: Ideal
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Certificate: GIA

Depth: 61.7%
Table: 56.0%
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 7.22*7.26*4.47

Price: $9,870

I''m looking for -

Between 1.4 - 1.55c
Color: G or F
Cut: Ideal
Clarity: VS2 should be OK? from what i''ve read... not much of a difference except price between VS2 and VS1..

thats the basics... beyond that... i''m hoping the board can help with what the measurements should be..
 
Also.. my budget is around $10,000
 
Date: 5/19/2009 11:31:10 AM
Author: bru
Thanks for all the quick responses!

I actually think I found a better diamond... graded by GIA

Shape: Round
Carat weight: 1.42
Cut: Ideal
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Certificate: GIA

Depth: 61.7%
Table: 56.0%
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 7.22*7.26*4.47

Price: $9,870

I'm looking for -

Between 1.4 - 1.55c
Color: G or F
Cut: Ideal
Clarity: VS2 should be OK? from what i've read... not much of a difference except price between VS2 and VS1..

thats the basics... beyond that... i'm hoping the board can help with what the measurements should be..
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Most welcome! This one looks promising, do you have the angles too please, the link to the diamond or GIA report number?

Here are some numbers you can use as a guide to find a well cut round diamond,

depth - 60 - 62% - although my personal preference is to allow up to 62.4%
table - 54- 57%
crown angle - 34- 35 degrees
pavilion angle - 40.6- 41 degrees
girdle - avoid extremes, look for thin to slightly thick, thin to medium etc
polish and symmetry - very good and above

note - with crown and pavilion angles at the shallower ends ( CA 34- PA 40.6) and steeper ( CA 35- PA 41) check to make sure these angles complement in that particular diamond - eyeballs, Idealscope, trusted vendor input - check as appropriate!



From expert John Pollard.
As the above implies, configurations depend on each other. A little give here can still work with a little take there.

With that said, here's a "Cliff's Notes" for staying near Tolkowsky/ideal angles with GIA reports (their numbers are rounded): A crown angle of 34.0, 34.5 or 35.0 is usually safe with a 40.8 pavilion angle. If pavilion angle = 40.6 lean toward a 34.5-35.0 crown. If pavilion angle = 41 lean toward a 34.0-34.5 crown.









GIA "EX" in cut is great at its heart, but it ranges a bit wider than some people prefer, particularly in deep combinations (pavilion > 41 with crown > 35).

Yes VS clarity is fine, some SI clarity diamonds can be eyeclean and great choices if you are working with a trusted vendor who can advise you whether the diamond meets your expectations in that respect.



 
What is the GIA number for this?
 
thanks for the help Lorelei .. if you can ..i was checking the James Allen site.. can you recommend a better diamond? within my budget of $10k? do i always need to request an Idealscope image? or do they post these images online?
 
Date: 5/19/2009 11:55:11 AM
Author: bru
thanks for the help Lorelei .. if you can ..i was checking the James Allen site.. can you recommend a better diamond? within my budget of $10k? do i always need to request an Idealscope image? or do they post these images online?
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I will take a look for you. An IS image is always helpful especially with some angle combos, some vendors have them available already and some you need to request the images.

Back shortly, I will see what I can find for you...

Here you go, this one is well within budget, it is an H colour but it is very unlikely you would notice any difference between F or G colour, it will still be extremely white. If you like it then you could ask for an Idealscope image

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1237761.asp

Here is another, it has an older style AGS report but it definitely has potential. It is of SI clarity which I don't know if you are ok with but this clarity grade does open up more options. A trusted vendor such as James Allen would tell you if the diamond was eyeclean to your standards or not.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1221077.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1223408.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1210727.asp
 
I like the last recommendation.. and the size... do you think there''s a noticeable difference between a H or G color? or stepping up to an F - is it really worth paying the extra $$$?
 
Date: 5/19/2009 12:27:47 PM
Author: bru
I like the last recommendation.. and the size... do you think there's a noticeable difference between a H or G color? or stepping up to an F - is it really worth paying the extra $$$?
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To me no, there is no noticeable difference between H or G colour ( reliably graded as above) - an H to my eyes is extremely white and I can't tell the difference between them. If you want an F colour then we might have to drop the size or clarity a bit to get that for the budget, to me I can't even see a difference between F and H colour especially with mounted stones. I will post a video which might help, it shows how subtle the colour differences really are, but if you aren't sure then if you have a Jareds near you, go and look at some of their AGS0 Peerless brand of similar size. This would give you a good idea of how the colour grades look in reality, also you could try Hearts on Fire if there is a dealer near you.

Here is the video, bear in mind computer monitors don't always depict colour accurately therefore use the video as a guide only.


http://vimeo.com/3288695
 
Date: 5/19/2009 1:14:26 PM
Author: bru
OK... im really considering buying this diamond!

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1210727.asp

i''ve requested an idealscope image of it. Any more opinions regarding this diamond? cut, clarity? any yellowish tint? good pavilion and crown %''s?

any feedback would be appreciated!!
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Make sure you have it on hold bru - it should be as you have requested an IS image but just in case of poachers ask James Allen to be safe.
 
Hey Lorelei - thanks for all the help... I got it on hold. I know since you gave me the recommendation you think its a pretty good ring... any other feedback on this ring? I''ve done some comparison shopping looks like its a good deal... ive checked bluenile and they don''t have a ring that compares with the price and quality im getting...
 
Date: 5/19/2009 3:51:44 PM
Author: bru
Hey Lorelei - thanks for all the help... I got it on hold. I know since you gave me the recommendation you think its a pretty good ring... any other feedback on this ring? I''ve done some comparison shopping looks like its a good deal... ive checked bluenile and they don''t have a ring that compares with the price and quality im getting...
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The stone has great stats, should be beautiful! I think Lorelei found you a keeper.
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That stone Lorelei found looks good. IS should check out. Will comment again when you post the IS. Good luck. :)
 
Attached is the IS image they took of the stone?

On a side note: I''ve read some complaints about James Allen - are the pictures they show the actual picture of the stone? are they reliable? do i have to worry about they sending me a different diamond then what im looking at on their site? any comments appreciated.. i''ve heard a lot of nightmares about purchasing off the net..

1210727.jpg
 
disregard the ? in my post above..
 
Date: 5/21/2009 3:54:37 PM
Author: bru
disregard the ? in my post above..
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Great image Bru!!!
 
Lorelei - so just to confirm my fears of buying off the net without actually seeing the stone in person... you think this is a good buy?

I have seen some positive and negative posts regarding JamesAllen... should I be concerned dealing with them?
 
I also notice that slight inclusion right in the middle of the stone.. will that be noticeable? or can''t determine till i actually have the stone in my hand
 
any other opinions?
 
IS image looks good. JA is trusted around here, lots of positive comments. Pricewise, they are competitive. Inclusions, can''t tell as I do not have the stone in hand, probably not visible table up since it is it is graded VS2. You can only see it in the IS because it is at high magnification, shrink the image down so that the diameter is 7.2mm and see if you can see anything then.
 
Date: 5/21/2009 4:01:30 PM
Author: bru
Lorelei - so just to confirm my fears of buying off the net without actually seeing the stone in person... you think this is a good buy?

I have seen some positive and negative posts regarding JamesAllen... should I be concerned dealing with them?
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Sorry I am back! Yes I think it could be a good buy and in all my years here I have known JA to have a great rep here, yes sometimes things have not gone according to plan but this is the same with any other vendor. You can buy from them with confidence.
 
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