Need Input On 1.23 Solitare

[osubrutus]

I have been reading through this board for a few weeks educating myself on engagement rings and wanted to ask for some input. I will list the information below to gather your responses. The diamond originally priced at just over $4.700 however a little negotiating has brought the price down to $4,400. Do you think that price is in line with what should be expected? Also, my GF ring size is 4.75 (Tiny hands) and the stone will be set in yellow gold. How do you think the size and color will look on her hand? I appreciate your comments.



Round
1.23
G
SI2
EGL USA
Depth: 63.7
Table: 62
6.58x6.66x4.22



Girdle: STKVTK
Culet: None
Polish: VG
Symmetry: Good
Flour: None

 

[Cleo]

Hello and welcome to PS!

THis will be a lovely size diamond for your future fiancee. I am a size 4.5 and wear a 1ct diamond.

Can you possibly post the crown and pavillion angles for the stone, and then we will be able to advise you on how well cut the diamond is?

If you have been lurking on PS for a while you will know that cut is the most important factor in determining the beauty of a diamond and that most PSers will always buy the best possible cut they can.

x x x

 

[happyday]

Hi there,
Although I can''t advise you on the diamond, I can say that the size will be great for your GF.
I''m a size 4.75 and have a 1.25 round brilliant... I''ve always loved the size!
Good luck!!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/31/2008 11:17:01 AM
Author:osubrutus







I have been reading through this board for a few weeks educating myself on engagement rings and wanted to ask for some input. I will list the information below to gather your responses. The diamond originally priced at just over $4.700 however a little negotiating has brought the price down to $4,400. Do you think that price is in line with what should be expected? Also, my GF ring size is 4.75 (Tiny hands) and the stone will be set in yellow gold. How do you think the size and color will look on her hand? I appreciate your comments.



Round
1.23
G
SI2
EGL USA
Depth: 63.7
Table: 62
6.58x6.66x4.22










Girdle: STKVTK
Culet: None
Polish: VG
Symmetry: Good
Flour: None

Welcome!

Have you seen any other diamonds you like? This diamond is on the deep side and could look small for it's weight, and the table is large too, you could find one better cut. Also there is a wide variance of the girdle between slightly thick and very thick, a tighter range is desirable. I would check out some others, unless of course you are in love with this one, then disregard my comments! I would recommend if you are set on buying this diamond, check out some others such as Hearts on Fire if there is a dealer near you, and also AGS0 cut grade, so you can see what a well cut diamond looks like. Then if you still think this is the one, ask if you can check it out away from the store lights, to make sure it appeals in real life conditions, and to make sure it is eyeclean in all lights, also make the sale final on getting an independant appraisal to make sure the diamond checks out. You could post the crown and pavillion angles certainly, but there is enough info here for me to suggest looking at some other diamonds.

It can make it easier to find a lovely diamond to search amongst AGS0 cut grade and GIA Excellents, but if you want a larger rock for the budget then EGL USA may be a consideration. You can check your price using the Pricescope your diamond tool above, generally online prices are a bit lower than jewellery stores.

 

[Cleo]

I would certainly listen to Lorelei. She is an incredibly experienced PSer, and she knows her numbers!

Personally, I wouldn''t buy a diamond she advised against.

I have had a look round and managed to find this diamond which scores a 1.5 Ex/Ex/Ex/Vg on the Holloway Cut Advisor (PSers aim to get a score betweel 1 and 2 ideally). It is a little more than your stone, but the cut grade is better and it should be a lovely diamond:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1112508.asp

1.22ct, GIA certificate I SI1 diamond - $5100 before Pricescope discount.

x x x

 

[Allison D.]

As pointed out, this diamond is on the deep side. As such, it''s likely going to leak some light, and it will also face up smaller than a 1.23 stone should. By your measurements, the diameter faces up like a 1.10-ish carat stone.

Lorelei has made some great suggestions on how to tighten your search.

 

[osubrutus]

Thank you for all of your comments. As requested, I am posting the crown and pavillion information. I look forward to your comments.

Weight 1.23 ct.
Shape ROUND BRILLIANT
Color G
Clarity SI2
Measurements 6.66 - 6.58 x 4.22 mm
Depth 63.7
Table 62.0
Crown 15.3
Pavilion 41.5
Girdle SL. THICK TO VERY THICK FACETED
Polish VERY GOOD
Symmetry GOOD
Fluorescence NONE
Culet NONE

 

[Lorelei]

I still say pass. Can you check your proportions please, as the cut advisor won't even accept them, by saying either the data is incorrect, or that the girdle is overly thick. Have you used the angle rather than percent for the pavilion measurement?

 

[osubrutus]

I actually pulled the information straight from the EGL USA report site. I am not sure how to go about getting the angle information you are speaking of.

If you can clarify, I can attempt to find that info. Thanks again

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/1/2008 11:53:02 AM
Author: osubrutus
I actually pulled the information straight from the EGL USA report site. I am not sure how to go about getting the angle information you are speaking of.

If you can clarify, I can attempt to find that info. Thanks again

EGL normally use percents for crown and pavilion measurements, rather than angles which are more accurate. By entering the numbers given in the post into the cut advisor as percents, the cut advisor wouldn't take them, saying that it was either incorrect data or the girdle was overly thick. That was why I was hoping you could check the measurements particularly for the crown and pavilion, to make sure that these are both correct by rechecking on the grading report. Have you seen any other diamonds you like instead of this one?

 

[Allison D.]

I don''t think that getting more precise information is going to be a deciding factor in this particular case.

The price of the stone is influenced by make, color, clarity, and carat. The stone faces up more like a 1.10-ish stone. It''s also graded by EGL, a lab that''s historically softer on grading than AGS or GIA. If the stone is comparable to an AGS or GIA G, SI2 stone, it might be a reasonable price. If the stone is more comparable to an H or I color by AGS/GIA standards or if the stone is comparable to an I1 in AGS/GIA clarity, then the price you have is considerably less reasonable.

If you like the look of this stone, I''d suggest negotiating a generous return policy (money back, minimum 10 days) so you can take it to an independent appraiser. He should be able to tell you if the stone is a good value based on what it really is.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/1/2008 1:27:28 PM
Author: Allison D.
I don''t think that getting more precise information is going to be a deciding factor in this particular case.

The price of the stone is influenced by make, color, clarity, and carat. The stone faces up more like a 1.10-ish stone. It''s also graded by EGL, a lab that''s historically softer on grading than AGS or GIA. If the stone is comparable to an AGS or GIA G, SI2 stone, it might be a reasonable price. If the stone is more comparable to an H or I color by AGS/GIA standards or if the stone is comparable to an I1 in AGS/GIA clarity, then the price you have is considerably less reasonable.

If you like the look of this stone, I''d suggest negotiating a generous return policy (money back, minimum 10 days) so you can take it to an independent appraiser. He should be able to tell you if the stone is a good value based on what it really is.

I think you are right Alj! Osub, if you are set on this diamond, get an independant appraisal and make the sale final on it checking out. That would be the best way forward, or look at some other diamonds.

 

[osubrutus]

Thank you everyone for your comments. You have brought to light some issues I was not aware of. I am thinking about looking at another stone I came across but in an effort to save my time and the jewelers, I thought I would post the info here and get your thoughts:

Weight 1.22 ct.
Shape ROUND BRILLIANT
Color H
Clarity SI2
Measurements 6.85 - 6.8 x 4.22 mm
Depth 61.8
Table 55.0
Crown 16.8
Pavilion 41.6
Girdle THIN TO MEDIUM FACETED
Polish VERY GOOD
Symmetry GOOD
Fluorescence NONE
Culet NONE

 

[osubrutus]

bump

 

[canuk-gal]

Date: 4/2/2008 4:30:28 PM
Author: osubrutus
Thank you everyone for your comments. You have brought to light some issues I was not aware of. I am thinking about looking at another stone I came across but in an effort to save my time and the jewelers, I thought I would post the info here and get your thoughts:

Weight 1.22 ct.
Shape ROUND BRILLIANT
Color H
Clarity SI2
Measurements 6.85 - 6.8 x 4.22 mm
Depth 61.8
Table 55.0
Crown 16.8
Pavilion 41.6
Girdle THIN TO MEDIUM FACETED
Polish VERY GOOD
Symmetry GOOD
Fluorescence NONE
Culet NONE

HI:

Where/what are the includsions on this stone--is it eye clean? All the same, I'd pass.

I'd prefer this very well cut AGS certed I1 to the above stones.....

=295&src=loupe:2o8h065d]http://www.craftedbyinfinity.com/index.php?pid=63&lang=eng&sid[]=295&src=loupe


cheers--Sharon