need help..what do you think of this diamond?

[lazer]

 

[cindygenit]

Hi Lazer,

You will get a better response in Rocky Talky.

I sent a message to admin to move it for you.

 

[Dancing Fire]

PASS!!!...you know why the price is so low? cuz the CUT is

 

[Lorelei]

Hi Lazer and welcome!

DEFINITELY pass on this diamond, it is a horrible cut and you could land a 747 on that table ( to quote strm!) I would bet whatever sparkle ( and it probably isn't much) this diamond shows will vanish once you get this rock away from the store lights. Yes sacrificing on cut a bit is ok if you know what to look for, but sacrificing this much isn't worth it. Your GF will have a lifeless lump sitting on her hand and in fact it is entirely possible a smaller but much better cut diamond will look larger than this one anyway due to the light hitting all around and edge to edge of the stone.

 

[Judah Gutwein]

Lazer,

That's what is known as a 'bluff stone'.

This is a diamond that has been crafted to appear significantly larger than its actual carat weight, since most of the weight is distributed up on top (it's got a hockey rink for a table) where the eye can see it, with a shallow pavillion on the sides where the diamond is largely obstructed once the stone has been set.

A swindled diamond such as this, is usually crafted to make a smaller carat stone appear like a larger carat stone.

Pass, imo.

 

[stone-cold11]

Maybe if they give it to you free.

Date: 9/23/2009 11:23:18 AM
Author: Judah Gutwein
This is a diamond that has been crafted to appear significantly larger than its actual carat weight, since most of the weight is distributed up on top (it's got a hockey rink for a table) where the eye can see it, with a shallow pavillion on the sides where the diamond is largely obstructed once the stone has been set.

Judah, this stone has a deep pavilion not shallow in anyway.

 

[tallchickbarbara]

Date: 9/23/2009 11:23:18 AM
Author: Judah Gutwein

This is a diamond that has been crafted to appear significantly larger than its actual carat weight, since most of the weight is distributed up on top (it''s got a hockey rink for a table) where the eye can see it, with a shallow pavillion on the sides where the diamond is largely obstructed once the stone has been set.

A swindled diamond such as this, is crafted for one reason; to make a smaller carat stone appear like a larger carat stone.
The consequence of this decision, is to cheat the diamond out of its own life (light performance, sparkle, brilliancy..etc....you get the point).

Interesting, Judah. I''ve always believed that a cutter trying to create a ''bluff stone'' would put more emphasis on cutting the diamond to have a lower depth percentage, thus distributing the carat weight in the center and raising the overall diameter numbers (which technically, would make for a "larger" diamond), but I never believed that a diamond cut with a larger table was cut to make it appear larger, though I''ve heard that story from several Sales Associates while "shopping" at local retailers prior to ever entering this line of business.

What you will often get with a larger table is the fish-eye affect however, which is a hazy, haloed looking circular trim near the table''s inner edge. See below (diamond photo is from wtocd.be - Antwerp Diamond Research.) Can you tell us if the diamond you looked at, Lazer, looked similar to the one below?:

 

[Judah Gutwein]

oops...stone, you are right..I stand corrected.

I was looking at the spready table (noticed that straight away) and was extrapolating.

Barbara,

You are correct. see above....

 

[lazer]

Yes it looked a little like that. Do these stones have any value at all? What would someone pay for a diamond like this?

 

[lazer]

Maybe a better question...is this extremely noticeable when passing by the diamond or would you have to hold the diamond within a few feet of your face to really see that the cut was bad?

 

[tallchickbarbara]

In my opinion, yes, it will still be noticeable, especially if you did see this effect. The main ingredient to a diamond... the thing that separates it from simulants... is its brilliance.

 

[stone-cold11]

Put it this way, it is as good as buying an I2 clarity diamond if you can see the fish-eye.

 

[lazer]

Hi BarbaraP,

I looked at the diamond again today. You cannot see a fish eye straight on, but there appears to be a slight shadow when I tilt the diamond 45 degrees under hardly any light. The diamond still sparkles like the "very good" cut diamond I was comparing it to, but again a very slight shadow, not even a half circle, when I turn the diamond. Does this sound like a fish eye diamond? Or could this be some other type of imperfection? Thanks for the help.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 9/23/2009 1:46:22 PM
Author: lazer
Yes it looked a little like that. Do these stones have any value at all? What would someone pay for a diamond like this?

any lab report?

 

[lazer]

GIA lab report

 

[lazer]

Does the GIA lab report make a difference?

 

[MissGotRocks]

Date: 9/23/2009 9:13:26 PM
Author: lazer
Does the GIA lab report make a difference?

It doesn''t make any difference in the appearance of the stone. Any stone can be submitted to GIA for grading. I think they are just asking for the stats that GIA came up with for the stone.

I personally would rather have a smaller stone than a questionable larger cut stone. If you compared this stone to a well cut stone, I definitely think you would see the difference.

 

[lazer]

The stats GIA stats are located in my very first post.

 

[lazer]

Would this diamond hold any resale value in the future? I am thinking a cleaner diamond may have more appeal if I try to trade up later in life. Thoughts?

 

[tallchickbarbara]

Date: 9/23/2009 7:25:52 PM
Author: lazer


Hi BarbaraP,

I looked at the diamond again today. You cannot see a fish eye straight on, but there appears to be a slight shadow when I tilt the diamond 45 degrees under hardly any light. The diamond still sparkles like the ''very good'' cut diamond I was comparing it to, but again a very slight shadow, not even a half circle, when I turn the diamond. Does this sound like a fish eye diamond? Or could this be some other type of imperfection? Thanks for the help.

Hi Lazer,

I''m sorry to say that yes, it still sounds as if it does. The Fish-Eye is more prominent when a diamond is tilted, and keep in mind that most people (including the wearer) that will see her stone will look at it from all angles.

Also keep in mind that store lights can aid in the appearance of even the worst of cuts, so take the diamond outside if they''ll let you in order to look at it in more than one lighting condition.

In my opinion you will have a tough time reselling this if you think that you''d like to down the road, because your potential buyer may come to PS with the same stats, and be told the same thing that we are telling you right now, which is, that there are other diamonds out there that you may want to look at that don’t have as large of a table as this one.

 

[FancyDiamond]

Date: 9/23/2009 11:24:44 PM
Author: lazer
Would this diamond hold any resale value in the future? I am thinking a cleaner diamond may have more appeal if I try to trade up later in life. Thoughts?

Speaking from the viewpoint of an average consumer who does not know much about diamonds, I think the chance of you finding a buyer will be very slim, even if you want to give it away for a few hundred dollars. If the jeweler who is selling you this diamond has a trade-up policy, I would still pass. The reasons are restriction to buy again from the same jeweler (e.g., he may not carry the diamond you want) and lack of bargaining power (you know how it works with car trade-in). Unlike purses, clothing, and shoes, diamonds are not something that we buy frequently and they are not inexpensive either. You do not want to be stuck with yet another loser and have it sit in your jewelry box forever. Personally, I would not wear this diamond, and it is not something that I feel proud passing on to my grown-up daughters.

I have one such diamond given to me by a family member years ago. I plan to give it away to my eight-year old niece, so she can wear it now. No big deal if she loses it.

As for your question about getting a cleaner diamond for easy trade-up in the future, this is my advice. Find that best diamond that you can afford (wait if you have to) with the mindset of keeping it forever. The diamond must make your heart leap and not something you want to settle. Even if you end up trading your precious diamond in the future, you will have an easier time with a gorgeous diamond. Remember, our taste and knowledge progress as we age. If you are not entirely thrilled with your current purchase, it will become worthless or a nuisance to you in the future.