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Can someone help me please? I have a 2500 budget for the ring. I''m thinking a WG solitaire costs about 250, leaving me $2,250 for the diamond. I''m willing to go a little lower in clarity, and I''m looking around .80 to 1 ct range.

Can someone please please please help me. I don''t even know how to start.
 
With an EC, if you go down on clarity, make sure the stone is still eyeclean. I would be comfortable going to an SI1 depending on where the inclusions were and what type of an inclusion, and where''s it''s located (like for instance, an inclusion can be hidden under a prong, a white inclusion like a feather is harder to see than a carbon mark).

Also, I tend to think that "fatter" ECs (1.2-1.3 l-w ratio) tend to look a little bigger, so if you have one with a l-w ratio of a 1.3 and it''s a .75, while it''s outside of your .8 range, I wouldn''t take that stone out of the running without seeing it first.
 
Date: 4/21/2008 2:37:24 PM
Author:s_emeral
Can someone help me please? I have a 2500 budget for the ring. I'm thinking a WG solitaire costs about 250, leaving me $2,250 for the diamond. I'm willing to go a little lower in clarity, and I'm looking around .80 to 1 ct range.

Can someone please please please help me. I don't even know how to start.
Personally I would recommend you look at a couple of the PS vendors such as Whiteflash, Good old Gold, Wink Jones. You could tell them what you are looking for and budget, and let them assist you with their expertise. EC's are tricky to evaluate by the numbers, so the help of an expert who either has stones in house or can source them, provide pics and cut analysis images and ultimately use their own experience to help you, is the best way in my opinion, to get a great EC.

As Elm says, you may need to stick to a higher clarity such as VS and up, as SI are rarely eyeclean in this shape ( not unheard of but rare), colour is a personal preference, although step cuts may show more colour than some other shapes. I had a look and I don't think you will get a carat on your budget with a GIA report, you may have to go smaller unfortunately, but contact a vendor and see what they can come up with.

Here is a handy shape selector so you can see which length to width ratio you prefer, personally I prefer a longer more traditional shape for an EC as I feel also that gives the most bang for the buck, but as well cut EC's can be hard to find, keep an open mind.

http://www.gemappraisers.com/shapePickerNew.asp
 
Ohh thanks Elmorton, I didn''t know that! I''ll keep that in mind while doing my search.

My finger size is 4.5, I''m hoping that something under 1ct will still look large enough.
 
Do you think I should go thin solitaire to make the stone look larger or tapered baguettes like this for more finger coverage?

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Date: 4/21/2008 3:34:35 PM
Author: s_emeral
Do you think I should go thin solitaire to make the stone look larger or tapered baguettes like this for more finger coverage?

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It is said a thinner band can show off a diamond''s size to the best advantage, but I also really like the setting you are considering, as it is a true classic!
 
Date: 4/21/2008 2:37:24 PM
Author:s_emeral
Can someone help me please? I have a 2500 budget for the ring. I''m thinking a WG solitaire costs about 250, leaving me $2,250 for the diamond. I''m willing to go a little lower in clarity, and I''m looking around .80 to 1 ct range.

Can someone please please please help me. I don''t even know how to start.
In my case (my DW''s, actually) I was more willing to go down in color rather than clarity. But this is a personal choice -- if you have the time and patience, try to see as many colors and clarities in B&M stores to see what seems preferrable to you. (As an aside, I ended up choosing a J VS1).

I also looked at a lot of numbers: weight, width, length, ratio, spread, table, depth, etc. as a first cut to mostly elliminate the losers. Ultimately, I relied on the vendor''s expert to see the diamond and get his opinion, and then, of course, mine.

I also like the setting with the baguettes, but I recommend the simple band with no side stones. Sets off the center stone better, and I would rather put the money there anyway.

--ECQ.
 
For finger coverage, you could always try setting it sideways in a simple bezel setting?

Not sure if that would work with your budget, so for simplicity's sake, I'd suggest putting the bulk of the budget toward the center stone, doing a simple 4 prong setting, and maybe upgrading the setting later.
 
With an EC of that size, I''d do an I VS2. The I colour under 1 ct will not look noticeably warm and a VS2 is very clean. I haven''t found an eye clean SI1 EC.

As for stats, here''s what I would look for:
Table: 65% and under to avoid a glassy look and for more fire
Depth: 68% and under to avoid having a smaller diameter diamond
Crown height: 10% and higher for more fire
Girdle: Avoid very thin and under, very thick and over to avoid chipping and hidden weight. An even medium girdle is very hard to find so don''t aim for one.
Polish: Very Good and better
Symmetry: Very Good and better

As for the ratio, I''d use gemappraiser''s shape finder to play around with the ration to see what you''d like best.

If you aren''t into the search yourself, then have GOG or ERD do the hunting for you.
 
Thank you for the responses. You are all very very helpful. Hopefully I''ll find the perfect one.
 
Date: 4/21/2008 6:20:32 PM
Author: s_emeral
Thank you for the responses. You are all very very helpful. Hopefully I''ll find the perfect one.
I would again suggest contacting an expert vendor to try to source you some stones, especially with the budget. If they find one which may not look so good on paper but it stunning in reality ( as the case may be), then I would certainly consider it, to avoid limiting yourself. Also perhaps consider an EGL USA stone if one comes along and the vendor rates it, this could be a way of getting a larger diamond perhaps if you are open to the idea.
 
EGL USA cert is a good idea for the budget conscious but most online vendors will not take back EGL stones for upgrades. I know WF certainly doesn''t and GOG doesn''t carry any EGL stones.
 
Date: 4/22/2008 6:36:04 AM
Author: Chrono
EGL USA cert is a good idea for the budget conscious but most online vendors will not take back EGL stones for upgrades. I know WF certainly doesn't and GOG doesn't carry any EGL stones.
True, as it seems our poster is budget conscious, with the sums involved I thought it might be worth mentioning, as the poster wants a certain size for the money. WF will sell an EGL stone if it passes their tests and approval I believe, but it won't be upgradable, no. If the OP doesn't have any plans to upgrade, then it could be worth considering.
 
Ok, I''m going to agree with everyone on here and contact Wink, GOG and Whiteflash with your requirements, however..........if you''re not averse to ebay, I happened upon this item 220225423297. It has been known that you can get really good stones on here, however you just need to be very very careful.
 
Ohh thanks for that great ebay find. I''ll definitely check that auction. I contacted ERD, USA Cert diamonds and I''ll be contacting WF now to see if they can help me. For some reason GOG intimidates me because all the prices i''ve seen in their website are way out of my range right now.

I''ll be posting the specs of the diamonds i''m considering for your opinions, if you don''t mind.
 
Date: 4/22/2008 9:21:31 AM
Author: s_emeral
Ohh thanks for that great ebay find. I'll definitely check that auction. I contacted ERD, USA Cert diamonds and I'll be contacting WF now to see if they can help me. For some reason GOG intimidates me because all the prices i've seen in their website are way out of my range right now.

I'll be posting the specs of the diamonds i'm considering for your opinions, if you don't mind.
We will need pics and ASET images of the diamonds if you can get them to post please. Be careful with Ebay as Po cautions, I would rather see you use a PS vendor as they are a known quantity. Don't let GOG intimidate you, Jon and his staff are very nice and would be pleased to help you! You never know what the vendors can produce, even if they don't have some diamonds listed, they may know of some stones.

Check out www.winkjones.com as he has 2 EC's in your pricerange right now.
 
What do you guys think about this 2? I''m requesting pictures and ASET images.

Option #1

Laser Inscription Registry: GIA 15448364
Emerald Cut
Measurements: 6.85 x 4.91 x 2.99 mm
Carat Weight: 0.94
Color Grade: F
Clarity Grade: SI1
Proportions:
Depth: 60.9 %
Table: 65 %
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: Faint
Clarity Characteristics: Feather

Option #2
Laser Inscription Registry: GIA 16999869
Emerald Cut
Measurements: 6.30 x 4.73 x 2.80 mm
Carat Weight: 0.81
Color Grade: F
Clarity Grade: VS1
Proportions:
Depth: 59.2 %
Table: 65 %
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None
Clarity Characteristics: Crystal, Needle, Pinpoint
 
Why do these one looks so black? diamond
 
What about this one? 0.80
 
Here are the images for the 0.80 F VS1

IMG_3538.JPG
 
Sorry I don''t know how to attach 2 pictures in one post.

IMG_3539.JPG
 
What do the folk at JA think of the .80?
 
Date: 4/21/2008 5:22:16 PM
Author: Chrono
With an EC of that size, I''d do an I VS2. The I colour under 1 ct will not look noticeably warm and a VS2 is very clean. I haven''t found an eye clean SI1 EC.


As for stats, here''s what I would look for:

Table: 65% and under to avoid a glassy look and for more fire

Depth: 68% and under to avoid having a smaller diameter diamond

Crown height: 10% and higher for more fire

Girdle: Avoid very thin and under, very thick and over to avoid chipping and hidden weight. An even medium girdle is very hard to find so don''t aim for one.

Polish: Very Good and better

Symmetry: Very Good and better


As for the ratio, I''d use gemappraiser''s shape finder to play around with the ration to see what you''d like best.


If you aren''t into the search yourself, then have GOG or ERD do the hunting for you.

I concur. I have an I/VS1 (.90ct) and people truly do mistake it for an icier color. And I think the size you''re looking for (.80+) is a great size for your tiny 4.5 finger. Good luck!
 
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