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NewbieKC

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Hi guys, I'm new here but it seems like an amazing community. I have been browsing and educating myself for the past month using this site and have finally begun picking the diamond for my future fiancé! I could use a bit of help choosing between these two stones or deciding that I need to continue searching for the perfect stone. Both stones are GIA certified, about 1.7 carats, F, VS2, XXX, HCA<2 and the seller calls HnA. One of the stones, the one that may have slightly better proportions, has faint blue fluorescence. I don't love the fluorescence in the F color range but I don't know if it's a deal breaker. It also has minor light leakage whereas the stone with no fluorescence has no leakage and excellent brilliance, fire and scintillation (other has very good predicted fire). I could use help from someone more knowledgeable than myself to pick the best performing stone. Thanks ahead of time for all of the help. Images of diamond 2 will be on next page.

Diamond 1: http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=7193538307

Diamond 2: http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=2196812256

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There is also another option. I was offered a GIA certified, 1.65 carat, E, VS2, XXX, depth 61.6, table 57, CA 36, PA 40.8 with no fluorescence.

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Is there any way you can get ASETscope and IdealScope images of them?

You may need to see the F with fluorescence to confirm if you're happy with it. If you don't frequent nightclubs with blacklight lighting, I doubt you'll ever notice it day-to-day!
 
I have seen both diamonds in person but I have not seen aset or idealscope images. I may be able to get them, but I'm just stressing out about the decision. I saw the faint under fluorescence and it did show up more blue than purple. I have a friend that bought a faint and she feels like she can tell. I just may be a little too nervous to buy the faint considering the quality of the diamonds I am looking at. I'd feel foolish if it ended up putting a damper on the diamond. Also the light leakage on the sarin made me nervous (don't have a photo). I believe it said 12% coming out from the side in a downwards direction but I'm not exactly sure what that means. The other diamond feels less satisfying because of the high crown angle (36) and somewhat weak hearts and arrows but I'm still not sure how much that matters. Lol I feel ridiculous looking for perfection but I'm hoping to only make this purchase once! :)
 
Hey guys, I feel overwhelmed. Any other input, advice would be amazing. I also have one jeweler discussing the superior quality of forevermark rough (diamond happens to look great) and I'm just getting very confused.
 
Are you open to buying online?
 
I see your dilemma. I think fluorescence is tricky. Some love it, some don't notice it, some hate it. Which category you and your fiancé fall into no one knows! For the money you are spending, you should get something you feel 100% about.

Do you have more options than the two stones you posted? I think Sarin reports are great but may be too much information for the average consumer. It could get you confused and lost in the numbers unnecessarily. For performance I think an IS and/or an ASET and seeing the stone in person or in a photo/video is really all you need unless you are a total cut aficionado.

I just bought a stone with similar specs to the 2nd stone you posted because I'm purposefully looking for more fire and dispersion. It arrives tomorrow so I'll see if I love it or not. The 1st stone is probably safer with respect to it's proportions.

If you are open to on-line we can help you choose a rockin' stone. If not, ask your vendor if he/she can get more options for you to consider. It's a big purchase so you should feel great about it!
 
I'm not opposed to it. I do like my vendor and feel bad for taking up so much of his time with indecisiveness but it's just tough. I know people love whiteflash a cut above but the brand premium takes the stone a little out of my price range.
 
JDDN|1433440305|3885158 said:
I just bought a stone with similar specs to the 2nd stone you posted because I'm purposefully looking for more fire and dispersion. It arrives tomorrow so I'll see if I love it or not. The 1st stone is probably safer with respect to it's proportions.
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Doesn't the 1st stone have more fire though?


For the OP, I'd go with the one that looks better in person. Don't let stats dictate your decision. I'd probably opt for the 1st stone depending on how well it is cut. If the 2nd is better then you have a dilemma though. And if you list your budget it's possible that you can find something better online or at least find a sample that could give you some negotiating room on the diamonds your jeweler has.
 
My budget is around $19,000 if that helps. I'd really like to stay at F, VS2 though which makes it a little tougher.
 
Thank you for noting that Solgen, yes please reverse the stones in my last post. The first stone should have more fire judging by the specs.

I understand feeling bad for taking up so much of the vendors time, but honestly, that's just part of the business. The last thing you want to do is pick a stone you're not wowed over b/c you feel guilty or b/c you feel obligated in some way. If you like the vendor then ask if he/she can get more stones for you to view. If you have the time, don't rush the decision it b/c it's a big purchase. If the vendor is worth while, then he/she will understand your wanting to take your time and not push you or get frustrated with you.

What's your budget?
 
Budget - $19,000
 
If you would consider a G, VS2 here are two options. I've had several F stones and they are just lovely. I never thought I'd go lower, but I have to say a G is a really nice white stone and I wouldn't hesitate to buy a G. This isn't to try and persuade you to change your preferences! It's just some feedback on color.


http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3408397.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3365321.htm

The only F I saw was an eye clean SI1.

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3057912.htm
 
Thanks for finding some other options to think about. Does whiteflash charge tax for New York and New Jersey or do you have to declare it when you do your taxes? I'm not exactly sure what to look for in the aset and idealscope either but I know people trust the ACA stones.
 
Hm, not sure about the tax question. Call or IM them on their website an ask. They are very helpful.

For an ACA or Expert Selection, the IS and ASETs will be ideal. You'd be looking for leakage of light in the IS and ASET.

Don't have a link handy, but just google IS and ASET and you'll find some nice explanations. Also google image IS and ASET will bring up some helpful info.

The nice thing about WF ACA and Expert Selection, BGD, HP are that those images are right there for you to view. You can request them from JA for most of the stones and I believe Enchanted Diamonds has images too. If I've left someone out, let me know.
 
Has anyone heard of or seen a forevermark diamond by debeers? I've heard they are bright since they get to choose from the cream of the crop rough. The premium seems to be about 10%.
 
BG, ACA, and Crafted by Infinity (HPD) are all "cream of the crop" too. The "quality of the rough" makes no difference if the CUT isn't ideal. You can have a D Fl that is cut horribly and will look smaller and darker than an ideal cut of the same carat weight that is farther down the color and clarity scale.
 
I was also wondering what makes diamonds more expensive than others with the same specs? I know that differences in clarity within the vs2 range could impact it but diamonds are priced anywhere from 16,500 and 20,000. What makes up for that price difference? I know that you always "get what you pay for" so that is my concern. Diamond 1 is $17,800, diamond 2 is $17,000, and diamond 3 (http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=1162617964) is $17,800.
 
And one last question for all you experts. Do ideal proportions (table, CA, PA, etc) change when a diamond gets larger, for instance around 2 carats?
 
NewbieKC|1433454269|3885273 said:
And one last question for all you experts. Do ideal proportions (table, CA, PA, etc) change when a diamond gets larger, for instance around 2 carats?
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No, ideal proportions don't change with carat size.
 
Got the ASET and Idealscope images for diamonds 1 and 2. This is for diamond 1.

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Diamond 2 ASET and idealscope images.

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Both look good, but I prefer #2
 
Yeah I'd pull the trigger on diamond 2 in a heartbeat if it weren't for the fluorescence.
 
 
NewbieKC|1433478806|3885405 said:
Yeah I'd pull the trigger on diamond 2 in a heartbeat if it weren't for the fluorescence.
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Most people won't notice or care about faint fluorescence, especially considering you would need to be in an enviroent with lots of uv light to even see it. But since you DID see it, only you can decide if you would grow to be ok with it. It seems to really bother you and if that is the case #1 is probably a better option. You've seen them both. Let your eyes tell you which you prefer. Can't make a wrong decision as both have good looking ASET images.
 
Whiteflash has a few AGS Ideal stones in its virtual and in-house inventory:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3324302.htm
1.77 G VS1 (virtual inventory)

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3454170.htm
1.73 G VS2 (virtual inventory)

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3186654.htm
1.682 G SI1 (In-house, Expert Selection)
I like the look of this one, the stone looks eye-clean to me on this screen, despite the certificate showing twinning wisps across the table.

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3454657.htm
1.66 E VS2 (virtual inventory)
This is only a little more than the SI1 above! but is virtual inventory so you'd have to call it in.
 
OoohShiny|1433585718|3885899 said:
Whiteflash has a few AGS Ideal stones in its virtual and in-house inventory:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3324302.htm
1.77 G VS1 (virtual inventory)

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3454170.htm
1.73 G VS2 (virtual inventory)

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3186654.htm
1.682 G SI1 (In-house, Expert Selection)
I like the look of this one, the stone looks eye-clean to me on this screen, despite the certificate showing twinning wisps across the table.

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3454657.htm
1.66 E VS2 (virtual inventory)
This is only a little more than the SI1 above! but is virtual inventory so you'd have to call it in.
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I think the OP said he wanted to stay at F VS2. The last one could be good, but nothing else meets the color requirement.
 
Good point! :)
 
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