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Good day everyone, I've been lurking this forum for a few weeks and found some very informative advice. I've also noticed that there are a bunch of very knowledgeable people on here when it comes to diamonds. Geez I didn't know how much info a person has to obtain to purchase that perfect stone. The 4 c's is all I knew about but still didn't know that the cut is most important to get that sparkle. I also never heard of the HCA calculation till now. Wow its mind blowing. I also learned that when considering colour H, I, J for example a medium blue fluorescence is an added bonus and anything G and higher grade non, or faint fluorescence is a better option. In my opinion I do like the blue sparkle.

Anyhow that's my intro. Now I'm turning to you fellow pricescope friends. I only seem to know the basics and would like someone to help me pick out that ideal stone for my other half. I plan on proposing in March/April. My loose diamond budget is $20000 -22000 Canadian and setting $1500-2000 Canadian. Hoping on a 2ct round excellence cut with a wonderful sparkle. She always talked about how she loves the sparkle. Hehe.

I think that's all the details you guys need. I have no clue on how the asset works and what to look for. Same goes for the hearts and arrows. They all seem the same to me.

Oh I also wanted to ask about HPHT diamonds. I know some people are against it but I've read that the new colour after treatment is permanent. It appears that it's somewhat of a continuation of the natural process just done through machines. Anyhow please share on this as well. I think I prefer this type over clarity or laser enhanced if I can't find a non enhanced diamond.
Hehe..

Please help me out on this guy's and gals. If you require more I found please let me know. I need to pull the trigger very soon so hoping for one of the experts to help me out.

Oh and not sure if you guys require this but as for the colour I don't want to go higher than I and SI1. I've seen a few in my budget that were H, SI1 in the 2ct range but had no clue on the asset , H & A graph or the other specific stuff one should look for. Again much appreciated and I'll forever be grateful if you find me the right diamond. I can also pay cash or bank transfer if that makes a difference but I do live in Canada. Concerned about our dollar value. Oh and lastly do I pay duties on this. I'd prefer to have the diamond and ring sent at once from the same dealer. Thanks a bunch
 
Here are some options from vendors that also provide great settings.

Not quite getting to the 2ct mark with the budget, but here is what that budget can get you in the world of top-notch cut diamonds that are eye-clean:

1.874ct, I, SI1
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3227675.htm

1.723ct, H, SI1
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3265539.htm

1.698ct, I, SI1
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.698-i-si1-round-diamond-ags-104074030043

1.66ct, I, VS2
http://highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-infinity-new&id=1327

1.53ct, H, SI1
http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-53ct-h-si1-superior-round-hearts-and-arrows-diamond.html

1.521ct, H, VS2
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.521-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104076722016
 
Nice options from Rocky! It is not easy to access a stone just under 2 cts, so that 1.87 ct is a very good option for your parameters.

And yes, I do believe you have to pay some kind of tax on the Canada end if you have it sent there from a US vendor.
 
justcuz|1424897543|3838142 said:
Good day everyone, I've been lurking this forum for a few weeks and found some very informative advice. I've also noticed that there are a bunch of very knowledgeable people on here when it comes to diamonds. Geez I didn't know how much info a person has to obtain to purchase that perfect stone. The 4 c's is all I knew about but still didn't know that the cut is most important to get that sparkle. I also never heard of the HCA calculation till now. Wow its mind blowing. I also learned that when considering colour H, I, J for example a Good day everyone, I've been lurking this forum for a few weeks and found some very informative advice. I've also noticed that there are a bunch of very knowledgeable people on here when it comes to diamonds. Geez I didn't know how much info a person has to obtain to purchase that perfect stone. The 4 c's is all I knew about but still didn't know that the cut is most important to get that sparkle. I also never heard of the HCA calculation till now. Wow its mind blowing. I also learned that when considering colour H, I, J for example a medium blue fluorescence is an added bonus and anything Goes and higher grade non, or faint fluorescence is a better option. In my opinion I do like the blue sparkle.

Anyhow that's my intro. Now I'm turning to you fellow pricescope friends. I only seem to know the basics and would like someone to help me pick out that ideal stone for my other half. I plan on proposing in March/April. My loose diamond budget is $20000 Canadian and setting $1500-2000 Canadian. Hoping on a 2ct round excellence cut with a wonderful sparkle. She always talked about how she loves the sparkle. Hehe.

I think that's all the details you guys need. I have no clue on how the asset works and what to look for. Same goes for the hearts and arrows. They all seem the same to me.

Oh I also wanted to ask about HPHT diamonds. I know some people are against it but I've read that the new colour after treatment is permanent. It appears that it's somewhat of a continuation of the natural process just done through machines. Anyhow please share on this as well. I think I prefer this type over clearity or laser enhanced medium blue fluorescence is an added bonus and anything Goes and higher grade non, or faint fluorescence is a better option. In my opinion I do like the blue sparkle.
Hehe.

I think that's all the details you guys need. I have no clue on how the asset works and what to look for. Same goes for the hearts and arrows. They all seem the same to me.

Oh I also wanted to ask about HPHT diamonds. I know some people are against it but I've read that the new colour after treatment is permanent. It appears that it's somewhat of a continuation of the natural process just done through machines. Anyhow please share on this as well. I think I prefer this type over clarity or laser enhanced diamonds if a great untouched stone can't be found.

Please help .e out on this guy's and gals. If you require more I found please let me know. I need to pull the trigger very soon so hoping for one of the experts to help me out.

Oh and not sure if you guys require this but as for the colour I don't want to go higher than I and SI1. I've seen a few in my budget that were H, SI1 in the 2ct range but had no clue on the asset , H & A graph or the other specific stuff one should look for. Again much appreciated and I'll forever be grateful if you find me the right diamond. I can also pay cash or bank transfer if that makes a difference but I do live in Canada. Concerned about our dollar value. Oh and lastly do I pay duties on this. I'd prefer to have the diamond and ring sent at once from the same dealer. Thanks a bunch
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In reference to your inquiry about HPHT diamonds, I think saying it is a continuation of natural processes is a bit misleading. While it is true that diamonds form naturally under tremendous pressures and temperatures, the fact is that this treatment takes lower quality diamonds and makes them look like higher quality diamonds. The treatment is detectable. While diamonds treated in this way can be beautiful and less expensive, long term value and liquidity are very much in question. If you think you will ever want to sell or trade your diamond, you should think very carefully before buying a treated stone.

You mentioned fluorescence and this is a characteristic that can also impact a diamond's value and future liquidity. The idea that it can be a beneficial trait is commonly heard and repeated, but the reality is not so simple. Blue fluorescence does in fact tend to mask yellow color in diamonds. Outdoors in daylight the UV component is strong enough to make the diamond fluoresce and therefore make the diamond appear whiter. However, indoors where most viewing takes place, UV is either absent or is not intense enough to cause this effect.

One reason for lower market pricing is concern among the trade about over-grading of color of fluorescent diamonds by the labs. Modern grading practice involves observing color very close to fluorescent tube lights that do contain UV and can stimulate the masking effect during grading.

Many people are fans of fluorescent diamonds. Seeing a diamond glow under a black light is a very cool effect. But it is something you should understand and be comfortable with, especially when considering the higher strengths such as Strong and Very Strong.
 
 
This one is a terrific size:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3317416.htm

But it does not have the eyeclean symbol. You will have to talk to a rep there and have them pull that diamond and tell you about the stone. I think their definition of eyeclean is on the site and it may be 10 inches. It is impossible to say without knowing more whether the inclusions would be acceptable. Most of us aren't looking at a stone up close as it is on our hand. But some are clarity sensitive and would not want an inclusion that they could see under any circumstances. The stone is a terrific size and worth asking about, though. The other stone is a virtual stone. When you search Whiteflash, click the box that says in-house and you only get the stones that they have specially cut for their inventory. You have to have pictures and preferably idealscope images to choose a diamond. (Or I personally won't spend thousands of dollars without that information most of the time.)

This one is just barely smaller. They are so close in size that I would really recommend this one:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3265546.htm
 
There is one at ED that looks like it has potential, but I can see an inclusion right under the table. I am sure it is eyeclean, but since they do not hold inventory in their office and all stones are brought in from suppliers (sometimes from places like India), I really prefer the safety of shopping for VS+ stones there, especially in 2 ct sizes where there is a greater chance you could see inclusions. Places like WF have an advantage in that they have their own stones cut, so there is great consistency in cut quality, and even their Expert Selection stones would be called H&A by other vendors who don't have as strict parameters. So definitely include Expert Selection stones in your WF search. But the big advantage is, they can hold the stone in their hand and tell you what the clarity charcteristics are, if any are visible to the unaided eye. My sales person also was able to take a couple of comparison pictures for me the other day when I was deciding between 3 pair of diamonds for earrings. That made the difference that enabled me to actually make a decision!
 
diamondseeker2006|1424966795|3838509 said:
This one is a terrific size:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3317416.htm

But it does not have the eyeclean symbol. You will have to talk to a rep there and have them pull that diamond and tell you about the stone. I think their definition of eyeclean is on the site and it may be 10 inches. It is impossible to say without knowing more whether the inclusions would be acceptable. Most of us aren't looking at a stone up close as it is on our hand. But some are clarity sensitive and would not want an inclusion that they could see under any circumstances. The stone is a terrific size and worth asking about, though. The other stone is a virtual stone. When you search Whiteflash, click the box that says in-house and you only get the stones that they have specially cut for their inventory. You have to have pictures and preferably idealscope images to choose a diamond. (Or I personally won't spend thousands of dollars without that information most of the time.)

This one is just barely smaller. They are so close in size that I would really recommend this one:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3265546.htm
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Great picks, DS!
 
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