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2 ct
vs2
F
Ideal Cut

Dimension
depth 63.5
table size 55.8

I haggled the price down to $17900.

Is this a great price? I thought I was getting a steal.

Thanks in advance.
 
More info can be given if needed. Thanks
 
Date: 7/7/2009 1:23:56 PM
Author:mintcc1
2 ct, vs2, F
Ideal Cut
Dimension
depth 63.5
table size 55.8
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My initial reaction is that a total depth of 63.5% is pretty STEEP and that you''re losing some outside diameter due to the total depth - which might make your 2.00 carat face up more like a 1.90 carat - which is important since diamonds are sold by carat weight and there is a significant price increase that occurs between the 1.99 - 2.00 carat mark.

What are the crown angle and pavilion angle measurements? Nobody can tell you very much without those...

Can you post ASET, Ideal Scope, H&A images? These would provide insight into the optical symmetry...
 
Date: 7/7/2009 1:38:40 PM
Author: Todd Gray

Date: 7/7/2009 1:23:56 PM
Author:mintcc1
2 ct, vs2, F
Ideal Cut
Dimension
depth 63.5
table size 55.8
Click to expand...

My initial reaction is that a total depth of 63.5% is pretty STEEP and that you''re losing some outside diameter due to the total depth - which might make your 2.00 carat face up more like a 1.90 carat - which is important since diamonds are sold by carat weight and there is a significant price increase that occurs between the 1.99 - 2.00 carat mark.

What are the crown angle and pavilion angle measurements? Nobody can tell you very much without those...

Can you post ASET, Ideal Scope, H&A images? These would provide insight into the optical symmetry...
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crown angle - 35.8
crown height 15.9%
Pavil angle - 41.5
Pavil Depth 44.2%
Girdle Thickness 3.4%

Little more info


Culet- .3 %
Girde thickness 3.4%
 
Date: 7/7/2009 1:48:19 PM
Author: mintcc1


Date: 7/7/2009 1:38:40 PM
Author: Todd Gray



Date: 7/7/2009 1:23:56 PM
Author:mintcc1
2 ct, vs2, F
Ideal Cut
Dimension
depth 63.5
table size 55.8
Click to expand...

My initial reaction is that a total depth of 63.5% is pretty STEEP and that you're losing some outside diameter due to the total depth - which might make your 2.00 carat face up more like a 1.90 carat - which is important since diamonds are sold by carat weight and there is a significant price increase that occurs between the 1.99 - 2.00 carat mark.

What are the crown angle and pavilion angle measurements? Nobody can tell you very much without those...

Can you post ASET, Ideal Scope, H&A images? These would provide insight into the optical symmetry...
Click to expand...
crown angle - 35.8
crown height 15.9%
Pavil angle - 41.5
Pavil Depth 44.2%
Girdle Thickness 3.4%

Little more info


Culet- .3 %
Girde thickness 3.4%
Click to expand...
Hi mint

I would pass for sure on this one, angle combo is bad and the diamond is too deep, this is not a well cut diamond.
 
yap, not a good stone.
 
It scores poorly (5.2) on the Cut Advisor. I woud pass - you can do much better!

Factor Grade
Light Return Good
Fire Fair
Scintillation Fair
Spread
or diameter for weight Good
Total Visual Performance 5.2 - Good - Only if price is your main criterion
 
What would be a good price on this diamond Ring? FYI 17900 include, platinum setting and mounting.
 
the specs don''t look good
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did the stone come with a lab report?
 
I''m going to get the lab report right now/ he is going to fax it to me since i''m at work.

So that is a bad price for the diamond ring set?

Thanks you for all of your inputs.
 
Price is not bad if it is graded by GIA/AGS, if from others that is another story. But in terms of light performance it is bad.
 
i think it is from AGA

The thing is my wife to be likes 2ct diamonds. my budget is under 18k. What to do......
 
Other than wanting a 2 ct or larger, what are your wife''s priorities?

Is she set on a round brilliant or would she consider other shapes?

Is she set on having an F or would she be happy with a G,H,I? Some people are more color sensitive than others, but there can be a very large price savings in moving from an F to an H stone, and for me (not extrermely color sensitive) the color difference is negligible once the stone is set. Other people, however, are extremely color sensitive and would not want anything other than a colorless (D/E/F) stone. The shape of the stone can play into the color determination, too.

Also, with color, if your stone has some degree of flouresence, it can make a lower colored stone appear more white. Flouresence generally has a tendency to make a stone sell for slightly less, but some people (me included) love flouresence [I would be willing to pay more for a stone that has flouresence!] This is a personal preference thing, but it is something to consider.

Is she happy with any stone that is eyeclean (say GIA SI1 or maybe SI2) or does she highly value having a VS or higher?

I have learned a great deal about shopping for a 2+ carat stone while on a defined budget. I don''t know as much about some things (angles, etc.) as some of the more experienced P.S.-ers, but I''d love to help out where I can!
 
I''ll get more info once the fax comes in with the report/

Thanks
 
Well, 2carat mark does not necessary means you will get a 2 carat face up dimension, which this stone is probably not going to give you because of greater the depth.

What is the physical diameter of this stone? As a comparison, an ideal cut stone should give you a diameter of around 8.15mm.
 
Date: 7/7/2009 3:52:09 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Well, 2carat mark does not necessary means you will get a 2 carat face up dimension, which this stone is probably not going to give you because of greater the depth.

What is the physical diameter of this stone? As a comparison, an ideal cut stone should give you a diameter of around 8.15mm.
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Diameter is 8.07
 
This report is from AGA - the numbers were wrong from the earlier post/ I was looking at 5 different diamonds and got the numbers mixed up.


Shape: Round
weight 2.00ct
Dimensions: 8.06x7.98x5.08
total depth: 63.3
Table: 55.2

crown angle: 34.9
Pavil angle: 41.2

GIA Color F
GIA Clarity: VS2
AGA Cutting/Proportions grade: 1B ( American Ideal) - Not sure what that means.
Polish: Ex
Symmetry: Ex

for 17900 includes Platinum Tiffany setting and Mounting.

Please comment. THank you!
 
Mint-cut is really the most important C and a well cut diamond will just look like a disco ball. A poorly cut diamond won''t reflect the same amount of light and will sit there and just be "blah".

So I would highly highly recommend dropping the color and/or clarity to get a better cut.
 
Date: 7/7/2009 4:13:35 PM
Author: mintcc1
This report is from AGA - the numbers were wrong from the earlier post/ I was looking at 5 different diamonds and got the numbers mixed up.


Shape: Round
weight 2.00ct
Dimensions: 8.06x7.98x5.08
total depth: 63.3
Table: 55.2

crown angle: 34.9
Pavil angle: 41.2

GIA Color F
GIA Clarity: VS2
AGA Cutting/Proportions grade: 1B ( American Ideal) - Not sure what that means.
Polish: Ex
Symmetry: Ex

for 17900 includes Platinum Tiffany setting and Mounting.

Please comment. THank you!
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This looks a bit better but still too deep, the angle ranges aren't the best. If you want to buy online and 18k is your total budget for the whole ring, would you like us to make some suggestions of diamonds which might suit you?
 
Date: 7/7/2009 4:13:35 PM
Author: mintcc1
This report is from AGA - the numbers were wrong from the earlier post/ I was looking at 5 different diamonds and got the numbers mixed up.



Shape: Round

weight 2.00ct

Dimensions: 8.06x7.98x5.08

total depth: 63.3

Table: 55.2


crown angle: 34.9

Pavil angle: 41.2


GIA Color F

GIA Clarity: VS2

AGA Cutting/Proportions grade: 1B ( American Ideal) - Not sure what that means.

Polish: Ex

Symmetry: Ex


for 17900 includes Platinum Tiffany setting and Mounting.


Please comment. THank you!
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I would still pass on the stone. Even though it got a better score then previously, it is still scoring a 3.6 on the cut adviser. Drop the color down to an H/I and you'll be able to get superb cut stone for probably around 20k.
 
This looks much better, borderline to a ideal cut score on the cut adviser. Is the lower facet number 80 and above? That would be better than a smaller number.

But take a look at the JA stone I posted, a 2.2c H VS2 at 16.9k after PS discount.
 
Thank you for all of your input. I was looking at James Allen, but I really like to see it in person before I pull the trigger.

Well I''ll keep looking. Maybe IF he brings the price down to 16k then I''ll pull the trigger. LOL
 
What to do? Lower your color and clarity just a bit. There are many options in your price range, but F VS2 with a desirable cut for $18k might be unrealistic.
 
one quick questions, How would you grade AGA report/ I never heard of them till now.
 
AGA is more like an appraiser than a standard lab in my opinion, so probably account for the lower price to begin with.
 
Date: 7/7/2009 4:13:35 PM
Author: mintcc1
This report is from AGA - the numbers were wrong from the earlier post/ I was looking at 5 different diamonds and got the numbers mixed up.


Shape: Round
weight 2.00ct
Dimensions: 8.06x7.98x5.08
total depth: 63.3
Table: 55.2

crown angle: 34.9
Pavil angle: 41.2

GIA Color F
GIA Clarity: VS2
AGA Cutting/Proportions grade: 1B ( American Ideal) - Not sure what that means.
Polish: Ex
Symmetry: Ex

for 17900 includes Platinum Tiffany setting and Mounting.

Please comment. THank you!
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a well cut 2ct should be closer to 8.10mm. this stone has too much "untrimed fats" on the bottom half. think of buying a diamond like buying a steak,look for a lean piece of meat.
 
This is quite a bit of money you''re spending- why save a grand and compromise on a lesser quality stone?
Is it the instant gratification factor of buying it in person....?
Take your time and get some help from the board- chances are in the long run you''ll get more bang for the buck...
By the way, I''m not a fan a places that let you haggle- it''s one thing to throw in the setting, it''s another to drop thousands off the stone. Makes you wonder what the mark up is to begin with... Is he discounting this like mad to give you a bargain, or because he knows its not a top quality diamond...?
 
Date: 7/7/2009 9:30:48 PM
Author: oneandahalfrock
This is quite a bit of money you''re spending- why save a grand and compromise on a lesser quality stone?
Is it the instant gratification factor of buying it in person....?
Take your time and get some help from the board- chances are in the long run you''ll get more bang for the buck...
By the way, I''m not a fan a places that let you haggle- it''s one thing to throw in the setting, it''s another to drop thousands off the stone. Makes you wonder what the mark up is to begin with... Is he discounting this like mad to give you a bargain, or because he knows its not a top quality diamond...?
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my cousin owns a jewelry store, and he gets the diamond from him. I got in contact with the owners and so this is how everything started. They buy raw diamonds and they get it cut and everything done inhouse then sent it out to GIA or AGS for appraisal. When the jewelry store calls them, they sell it to the store. I kind of removed the middle man (my cousin) in this equation. My cousin(very honest) thinks thats a good price for the diamond that i''m purchasing and its a buyers market at this time due to economy.

I wanted a second opinion from you guys.

I was able to haggle the price b/c I was going to pay everything upfront in cash. I guess they needed cash for operating expense.
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Date: 7/7/2009 11:01:40 PM
Author: mintcc1
Date: 7/7/2009 9:30:48 PM

Author: oneandahalfrock

This is quite a bit of money you''re spending- why save a grand and compromise on a lesser quality stone?

Is it the instant gratification factor of buying it in person....?

Take your time and get some help from the board- chances are in the long run you''ll get more bang for the buck...

By the way, I''m not a fan a places that let you haggle- it''s one thing to throw in the setting, it''s another to drop thousands off the stone. Makes you wonder what the mark up is to begin with... Is he discounting this like mad to give you a bargain, or because he knows its not a top quality diamond...?
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my cousin owns a jewelry store, and he gets the diamond from him. I got in contact with the owners and so this is how everything started. They buy raw diamonds and they get it cut and everything done inhouse then sent it out to GIA or AGS for appraisal. When the jewelry store calls them, they sell it to the store. I kind of removed the middle man (my cousin) in this equation. My cousin(very honest) thinks thats a good price for the diamond that i''m purchasing and its a buyers market at this time due to economy.


I wanted a second opinion from you guys.


I was able to haggle the price b/c I was going to pay everything upfront in cash. I guess they needed cash for operating expense.
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Just a few quick questions/comments;
If they''re cutting diamonds, are you not in the US? totally just out of curiosity, most of the cutting in the US I see on the boards are re-cuts from diamonds, it doesn''t seem as often they''re dealing with raw material.
Second, if you''re paying all in cash, assuming you decide to get this diamond, please, no matter how honest anyone is, or how you''re related, get a clear receipt outlining all details and with a clear return/exchange policy. It feels like too often we see these cash deals put the purchaser in a bad position if there are any discrepancies.
Anyways good luck, and especially good luck on your proposal!
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You must be very excited
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