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mrfat

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My gf and I are wavering on a number of designs. Initially she liked the Asscher cut. But she wants a design that is around 8mm or more in diameter. She doesn't like the Halo combo with the Asscher cut so a 8mm Asscher is gonna be over 3cts and well over $35k. That's more than we would like to spend so onto other options.

Decided to look at Tiffany&Co and she likes their Soleste and Embrace designs. Tried looking for similar designs in the DTLA jewelry district but they seem to be inferior and just lack the pop and refinement of the Tiffany pieces. So, I'm looking for designer who can produce something similar or better than the Tiffany designs but we'll touch upon that later.

The single and double halo designs allow us to achieve the desired 8mm diameter with a much smaller center stone thus saving money. With a single halo design she only likes a round brilliant. The benefit is this cut tends to result in larger appearance so even a .5ct center could achieve the desired diameter though we're inclined to go to a .7-1.0 ct center. Also it seems to be easier to find an exceptional cut round brilliant.

With the double halo she only likes a modified brilliant cushion cut. The antique cuts tend to have the crushed iced appearance and also don't blend into the inner halo. The double halo is tricky though as she doesn't want a massive looking ring yet doesn't want a small center where the halo overwhelms the design. A .70-1.25ct center should suffice. Here's a link to the Soleste ring. [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/tiffany-soleste-as-per-request.161382/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/tiffany-soleste-as-per-request.161382/[/URL] Notice in the 2nd and 3rd pics in the first post that the inner halo sort of blends into the center stone making the center appear much larger. This is a desired effect that other replicas lacked. It could be due to the angle that the inner halo is set that helps is meld into the center. But it's also the way Tiffany cuts their center. Finding an appropriate cut cushion is gonna be difficult.

So onto designers.
-Eternity by Yoni. They have an aptly named Soleste. Diamond selection is bit difficult as some have no pics and there's no ASET or Idealscope or even vids for stones.

-Brilliantly Engaged. I'm guessing the Erica would be closest to the Soleste design though I may need to go with the custom option. Has the X Factor cut which seems to be what I'm looking for though selection of stones is limited.

-Victor Canera. The Cathedral Shank Double Halo Solitaire looks to be close to the Soleste design. Canera Modern Cushion Diamond selection is limited and appears to carry a decent price premium.

I'm considering letting GoG source my cushion as it appears they would be able to source a stone to my liking. Not sure if these designers are open to that or what issues could arise from this.

Any suggestions or experiences would be greatly welcomed.
 
I saw the BE Soleste replica at their offices yesterday. Stunning, though at a higher price point than some of their other single halo settings. Will be made custom for your stone.

BE accepts outside stones, GOG sourcing a cushion is no problem.
 
Can we ask what your budget is for the stone and setting? Might help us to send you in the right direction.
 
tyty333|1429125811|3862426 said:
Can we ask what your budget is for the stone and setting? Might help us to send you in the right direction.

$8000 total. Looks like a platinum setting might run me $2500-3000 so I'd have $5k for the center.
 
Okay, done a bit more research and came up with some things we've noticed and characteristics we desire if doing the round brilliant.

Melee diamonds should all be even in size and need to be spaced closely together. Metal between each melee diamond interrupts the continuity of the diamonds.

Metal lips on the halo should be minimized. No visible metal between center stone and halo should be present in a top down view.
This is ugly.


Whereas on the Tiffany the halo stones seem to sit a bit under the center thus helping them flow together and create the appearance of a large solitaire from a distance. The metal on the outer lip of the Halo is noticeable but tolerable.


Also considering a Cathedral shank design.

I've noticed some designs have diamonds on the donut and stems/struts. I would omit these and have plain plat instead. Also should the melee diamonds in the halo be the same size as those in the pave shank? I'm thinking they should be smaller or at least the pave shank should be wider?!?

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Now onto a double Halo with a modified cushion. Pretty much same principles as a single halo round. But the second halo should have separation from the first. The inner halo sits at an angle kinda like the crown angle so it helps extend the center. The outer is more parallel with the table and creates a delineation between the two halos.




And from a distance the inner halo melds into the center thus making the center appear larger.




Might go with a split shank like the pics above. I'm sure a competent jeweler can accomplish either of these right? Are pics sufficient enough to articulate what we're shooting for? Can you help me specify these qualities/characteristics I'm after as I don't know the proper terminology. Thanks!

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Yes, but you need a really good jeweler that has done a lot of pave work and knows what they are doing. I dont think you can
get the double halo done in plat for $3k. The single halo would probably fit in that budget.

You might get a quote from David Klass. He does nice work, wants to please his customers and his prices seem to be fairly
reasonable.

Here is his facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/david.klass.jewelry

lots of pictures
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/show-us-your-david-klass-bling.196654/page-10']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/show-us-your-david-klass-bling.196654/page-10[/URL]

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There are some versions out there...
http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/halo/14k-white-gold-diamond-split-shank-double-halo-pave-engagement-ring-item-17845

They have a single version also.
 
Personally, if you go with a double halo, you need a substantial size center stone or else the halo's dwarf the center stone (IMO).

Back to your original post, you and your gf like the Tiffany Embrace, that is a beautiful arrangement.

Some of the PS vendors like VC, SK and BE can do that for you at a much lower cost than Tiffany.

I went with BE after seeing Momhappy's finished ring. You might want to get in touch with Chris at BE

Best of luck.
 
Personally, I would spend more on the center diamond than the setting, so I would recommend a single halo over a double. Others may disagree. If you decide to upgrade at a later date or reset the center stone, I think you will be happier that you went for a bigger center stone than $4-5k on the setting. I also love brilliantly engaged halos. I think the workmanship is great and they have the look you are going for.
 
I tend to disagree that you need a large stone for a double halo.

You dont want a small one because, well, it'll get swallowed up, but a large one ends up looking like a cocktail ring. I think a .9-1.25ct looks great in a double halo. Let me see if I can fond a photo.
 
Interesting comments regarding center stone size in regards to a double halo. It might be more critical to choose appropriate sized melee diamonds so as not to overwhelm the center. But oddly enough with the Tiffany Soleste rings the smaller center actually blended better into the inner halo giving the center a larger appearance when viewed from above.

Here's a Soleste with a .37 center.


A .80 center


And a 1.2ct center.



Staying under a 1ct center will save quite a bit but is there really much difference between a 0.91ct Cushion (5.66×5.44×3.78mm) vs. a 0.73ct Cushion (5.42×5.17×3.57mm) in face up appearance? From the length/width numbers is appears marginal.

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I agree with Niel on stone size... just under a carat to 1.3ish should be fine in a double halo. And JA actually does a nice double halo... something to think about.

Also, antique cushions do not have the "crushed ice" look -- just the opposite. It's the modern cushions that can have that look. You may be able to find an antique pre-loved stone and save money. :))
 
Those two particular cushions aren't noticeably different, but that doesn't mean all aren't. Each cushion should be evaluated indevidually as they can vary greatly in cut and depth csome may be speady (look big for the CTW) some may face up small.
 
The second stone is amazing. Wow. :love: :love: :love:
 
Any particular reason why http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/0.70-carat-d-color-si1-clarity-sku-380635 is preferred? Is it because of the antique cut which seems to be the preference on PS? Is it the high crown and somewhat short or moderate table?

As for the setting http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/designer-engagement-rings/platinum-pave-double-halo-engagement-ring-with-pave-split-shank-design-item-17345 I have to wonder if for $4500 I can't get a custom ring done for similar price. I dislike how the inner halo sits parallel to the center and feel it should be angled. Also seems like the girdle is set too low in some of the examples. But maybe the higher crown height of the stone above would help to solve that.

So I was looking into a custom ring but there's a lot of options. Type of pave v, u or fishtail.Then single or full cut melee diamonds. Or even single on the halos and full on the shank. Much more research to do now.
 
mrfat|1429565276|3865030 said:
Any particular reason why http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/0.70-carat-d-color-si1-clarity-sku-380635 is preferred? Is it because of the antique cut which seems to be the preference on PS? Is it the high crown and somewhat short or moderate table?

As for the setting http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/designer-engagement-rings/platinum-pave-double-halo-engagement-ring-with-pave-split-shank-design-item-17345 I have to wonder if for $4500 I can't get a custom ring done for similar price. I dislike how the inner halo sits parallel to the center and feel it should be angled. Also seems like the girdle is set too low in some of the examples. But maybe the higher crown height of the stone above would help to solve that.

So I was looking into a custom ring but there's a lot of options. Type of pave v, u or fishtail.Then single or full cut melee diamonds. Or even single on the halos and full on the shank. Much more research to do now.
Not just because its antique , its bright, well cut, faces up a nice size, is a d, probably eye clean, you could afford a platinum setting with the difference, and its got a nice cushiony shape (assuming they like elongated cushions)

And as for what you can afford for a double halo in plat with the high quality of a tiffany, you might be surprised just how expensive those are.

Get a quote from brilliantly engaged though and see. Never hurts to ask.
 
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