Need advice: 1 Ct. Very good cut H SI1

[1ctdiamond]

You guys are EXTREMELY knowledgeable so I'm hoping you can give me some advice. It seems that everyone on this forum seeks the perfect diamond and I just wonder if it's perfection or if a Very Good cut can be good enough (though everything is obviously subjective).

My budget has been about $5,600 for a 1 ct. diamond. Given that, I've been looking at H SI1, Very Good Cut. It seems that everyone on the forum only goes for Excellent/Ideal cut or higher so I'm not sure if Excellent is required in order to have a good diamond. I found a 1 ct H SI1 on bluenile (I know you guys prefer other site which provide various diagrams). I put the numbers into the HCA tool and it gave me a score of 1.1 which is great. I'm having them inspect it to make sure it is eye clean. Is there anything else I should look out for? Here is the certificate: https://myapps.gia.edu/ReportCheckPortal/getReportData.do?&reportno=1129772914&weight=1.01

Thanks for everything you've taught me, though I still probably sound like a newbie compared to you guys!

 

[1ctdiamond]

I also found a 1 ct. SI2, on bluenile that scored a .8 on HCA. The difference is that this diamond was an Excellent cut. The price is also cheaper. Do you think I should consider this diamond as well and ask them if it is eye clean? Can I make an educated decision without having the Idealscope images?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I would suggest looking at James Allen because their price can run a little less than BN at times, plus they have photos of the stones and will do idealscope images for up to three stones for you. Too risky to even consider a vg cut without idealscope.

 

[Dreamer_D]

You guys are EXTREMELY knowledgeable so I'm hoping you can give me some advice. It seems that everyone on this forum seeks the perfect diamond and I just wonder if it's perfection or if a Very Good cut can be good enough (though everything is obviously subjective).

My budget has been about $5,600 for a 1 ct. diamond. Given that, I've been looking at H SI1, Very Good Cut. It seems that everyone on the forum only goes for Excellent/Ideal cut or higher so I'm not sure if Excellent is required in order to have a good diamond. I found a 1 ct H SI1 on bluenile (I know you guys prefer other site which provide various diagrams). I put the numbers into the HCA tool and it gave me a score of 1.1 which is great. I'm having them inspect it to make sure it is eye clean. Is there anything else I should look out for? Here is the certificate: https://myapps.gia.edu/ReportCheckPortal/getReportData.do?&reportno=1129772914&weight=1.01

Thanks for everything you've taught me, though I still probably sound like a newbie compared to you guys!

I like this one and I suspect it could be fine for you, nice find! The longer lgf will help balance the shallowed crown too. I like this better than an I Si2, personally. What I would recommend is that you buy this one loose if you like it, and then take it to a local Jared's store and compare it to their Peerless line, which are AGS0 diamonds. Don't buy at the Jared, it is too pricey, but use it as a comparison. Then you can look and use your eyes to detemrine how you feel about the cut on this one. BN has a generous 30 day return policy so there is little risk. Also, I suggest you buy your own ideal scope for $25 to help you assess this stone when you get it in person. It is pretty easy.

 

[1ctdiamond]

I would suggest looking at James Allen because their price can run a little less than BN at times, plus they have photos of the stones and will do idealscope images for up to three stones for you. Too risky to even consider a vg cut without idealscope.

I did notice that James Allen and Blue Nile can be comparable. The one nice thing about Blue Nile is that they are offering $300 coupon off a diamond given the price range im looking at.

 

[1ctdiamond]

You guys are EXTREMELY knowledgeable so I'm hoping you can give me some advice. It seems that everyone on this forum seeks the perfect diamond and I just wonder if it's perfection or if a Very Good cut can be good enough (though everything is obviously subjective).

My budget has been about $5,600 for a 1 ct. diamond. Given that, I've been looking at H SI1, Very Good Cut. It seems that everyone on the forum only goes for Excellent/Ideal cut or higher so I'm not sure if Excellent is required in order to have a good diamond. I found a 1 ct H SI1 on bluenile (I know you guys prefer other site which provide various diagrams). I put the numbers into the HCA tool and it gave me a score of 1.1 which is great. I'm having them inspect it to make sure it is eye clean. Is there anything else I should look out for? Here is the certificate: https://myapps.gia.edu/ReportCheckPortal/getReportData.do?&reportno=1129772914&weight=1.01

Thanks for everything you've taught me, though I still probably sound like a newbie compared to you guys!

I like this one and I suspect it could be fine for you, nice find! The longer lgf will help balance the shallowed crown too. I like this better than an I Si2, personally. What I would recommend is that you buy this one loose if you like it, and then take it to a local Jared's store and compare it to their Peerless line, which are AGS0 diamonds. Don't buy at the Jared, it is too pricey, but use it as a comparison. Then you can look and use your eyes to detemrine how you feel about the cut on this one. BN has a generous 30 day return policy so there is little risk. Also, I suggest you buy your own ideal scope for $25 to help you assess this stone when you get it in person. It is pretty easy.

Any suggestions of where I can go about getting an Ideal Scope?

 

[Dreamer_D]

Just get the beginner scope.

http://www.ideal-scope.com/cart_order.asp

 

[1ctdiamond]

Would you know if there are any specific reasons why this diamond was not given a cut of excellent? It seems like all of the measurements are what would be for an excellent diamond.

Edit: Nevermind I found my answer, based on the following charts by GIA:
http://www.gia.edu/diamondcut/pdf/booklet_cut_estimation_tables_highres.pdf

 

[1ctdiamond]

What do you guys think of this diamond:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Premium-Cut-Round-Diamond-1425470.asp

Is it worth considering? Has an HCA of 1.8

Thanks!

 

[1ctdiamond]

I ended up purchasing the diamond in my first post. Now after reading a little more I've noticed it falls under the category of "old people rings" for HCA. I'm just wondering if the stone may be too shallow?

I'd appreciate your comments.

 

[Lula]

I ended up purchasing the diamond in my first post. Now after reading a little more I've noticed it falls under the category of "old people rings" for HCA. I'm just wondering if the stone may be too shallow?

I'd appreciate your comments.

It's too hard to tell from just the numbers on the report. GIA rounds the numbers, so what you see on the report are averages of the diamonds proportions, not exact numbers. When you receive the diamond, take a look at the diamond in all lighting conditions to look for dark or dull areas that remain dark even when you move the diamond around and/or when you look at the diamond in different lighting conditions. This thread may be helpful to you https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/obstruction-versus-leakage.135823/

 

[MissStepcut]

You guys are EXTREMELY knowledgeable so I'm hoping you can give me some advice. It seems that everyone on this forum seeks the perfect diamond and I just wonder if it's perfection or if a Very Good cut can be good enough (though everything is obviously subjective).

My budget has been about $5,600 for a 1 ct. diamond. Given that, I've been looking at H SI1, Very Good Cut. It seems that everyone on the forum only goes for Excellent/Ideal cut or higher so I'm not sure if Excellent is required in order to have a good diamond. I found a 1 ct H SI1 on bluenile (I know you guys prefer other site which provide various diagrams). I put the numbers into the HCA tool and it gave me a score of 1.1 which is great. I'm having them inspect it to make sure it is eye clean. Is there anything else I should look out for? Here is the certificate: https://myapps.gia.edu/ReportCheckPortal/getReportData.do?&reportno=1129772914&weight=1.01

Thanks for everything you've taught me, though I still probably sound like a newbie compared to you guys!

I like this one and I suspect it could be fine for you, nice find! The longer lgf will help balance the shallowed crown too. I like this better than an I Si2, personally. What I would recommend is that you buy this one loose if you like it, and then take it to a local Jared's store and compare it to their Peerless line, which are AGS0 diamonds. Don't buy at the Jared, it is too pricey, but use it as a comparison. Then you can look and use your eyes to detemrine how you feel about the cut on this one. BN has a generous 30 day return policy so there is little risk. Also, I suggest you buy your own ideal scope for $25 to help you assess this stone when you get it in person. It is pretty easy.

Notice though that this diamond has a thick girdle and a ~6.4mm diameter. It would probably be cheaper to go slightly under a carat if you're going to go with a 6.4mm diameter.

 

[1ctdiamond]

[/quote]
Notice though that this diamond has a thick girdle and a ~6.4mm diameter. It would probably be cheaper to go slightly under a carat if you're going to go with a 6.4mm diameter.[/quote]

In order for it to be closer to the 6.5mm diameter do you need to go with a table thats greater than the depth? It seems that way with most the diamonds I looked at.

Thanks for everyones help.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Notice though that this diamond has a thick girdle and a ~6.4mm diameter. It would probably be cheaper to go slightly under a carat if you're going to go with a 6.4mm diameter.[/quote]

In order for it to be closer to the 6.5mm diameter do you need to go with a table thats greater than the depth? It seems that way with most the diamonds I looked at.

Thanks for everyones help.[/quote]

Most well cut 1ct RBs are about 6.4mm in my experience. e.g.: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.008-k-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104055121010

You don't want a table greater than the depth, that is not usually a good match The notion of a 1ct being 6.5mm is sort of a hold over from poorer cut stones.

 

[shayysilent]

I would suggest looking at James Allen

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I ended up purchasing the diamond in my first post. Now after reading a little more I've noticed it falls under the category of "old people rings" for HCA. I'm just wondering if the stone may be too shallow?

I'd appreciate your comments.

The pavilion angle is going to be a problem. You don't want to go below 40.6 on the pavilion angle. The stone may have some leakage.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

This would be a nice one (ask if eyeclean) and just under 1 ct.:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1425617.asp

Or you can go to I SI1 and get close to your budget with a 1 ct.:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1443033.asp

I would not sacrifice cut. GIA Excellent is a very broad range and some of those are not as well cut as others. But still, you are getting a nice stone if you stay within GIA Excellent. AGS Ideal is even more strict and those you don't have to even use the HCA to evaluate.

 

[1ctdiamond]

Just curious, how come it got such a nice score from HCA, a 1.1? If the pavilion angle is so low then shouldn't HCA penalize it?