My state has been invaded....

[Matata]

by the Feds. I'm livid. Can't even. And for those who want to wail about the graffiti and how it's wrong to damage personal property, that's not the issue here. The issue is total disregard for the Constitutional right to walk down the street or engage in peaceful protest without being dragged by unidentified militia-types into unmarked vehicles. These people are not "violent anarchists". This is a travesty and nothing more than Agent Orange attempting to win campaign points. I hope the bastard strokes out soon.

US attorney requests DHS investigation after video shows masked, camouflaged federal authorities arresting protesters in Portland | CNN

"This is a fight to save our democracy," said Kelly Simon, interim legal director with the ACLU of Oregon.

www.cnn.com

 

[Demon]

Yep. This is just Trump "dominating the streets". Banana Republic? The only bright spot I've seen is that apparently, once you voice your rights while in their custody, they turn you loose.

 

[Matata]

This is just Trump "dominating the streets".

Where are all the rabid 2nd amendment supporters? We now have a corrupt government waging war on its own people so why aren't the "good guys with guns" out there fighting? Pffft.

 

[Demon]

Where are all the rabid 2nd amendment supporters? We now have a corrupt government waging war on its own people so why aren't the "good guys with guns" out there fighting? Pffft.

Lol, they seem to only come out to oppose shut downs and masks.

 

[Elizabeth35]

Matata--this is so alarming on many levels.
How can you be detained or taken into custody with no charges? By an unidentified authority?
Who exactly are the agents in camo--US Marshalls?

 

[Demon]

Matata--this is so alarming on many levels.
How can you be detained or taken into custody with no charges? By an unidentified authority?
Who exactly are the agents in camo--US Marshalls?

I heard they're with customs and border patrol. Not sure if that's accurate.

 

[OreoRosies86]

I can’t wait until this lunatic is gone.

 

[JPie]

If you’re able to, I would suggest donating to the ACLU. We need to hold the government legally accountable for this.

 

[Matata]

If you’re able to, I would suggest donating to the ACLU

I've been on automatic monthly donations to them since Agent Orange was elected; same for SPLC, and Planned Parenthood.

 

[AGBF]

I've been on automatic monthly donations to them since Agent Orange was elected; same for SPLC, and Planned Parenthood.

I remembered this. These used to be my three as well, but unlike you I never committed to monthly payments. I also belonged to the NAACP.

 

[AGBF]

The government has to be sued for this, and only the ACLU does that.

 

[JPie]

I've been on automatic monthly donations to them since Agent Orange was elected; same for SPLC, and Planned Parenthood.

Nice! I’m monthly for ACLU and PP but not SPLC. They got a one-time.

 

[AGBF]

Here is a excerpt from an article on the clash between protesters and those attempting to control them.


"PORTLAND, Ore. — An aggressive federal campaign to suppress unrest in Portland appears to have instead rejuvenated the city’s movement, as protesters gathered by the hundreds late Friday and into Saturday morning — the largest crowd in weeks.

Federal officers at times flooded street corridors with tear gas and shot projectiles from paintball guns, while demonstrators responded by shouting that the officers in fatigues were 'terrorists' and chanting, 'Whose streets? Our streets.'

A court ruling has largely prohibited local police from using tear gas during the recent protests, which have played out for more than 50 consecutive nights in Portland.

While the protesters have repeatedly decried the city’s own police tactics, Mayor Ted Wheeler, who also serves as police commissioner, and other leaders have united in calls for federal agencies to stay away. City commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty went to join protesters gathered outside the county Justice Center downtown, saying the city will 'not allow armed military forces to attack our people.'

'Today we show the country and the world that the city of Portland, even as much as we fight among ourselves, will come together to stand up for our Constitutional rights,' Ms. Hardesty said Friday.
While officials from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security have described the stepped-up involvement of federal officers as part of an effort to oppose lawlessness in the city, state and local leaders on Friday contended that the federal officers themselves may be violating the law.

...​

The attorney general’s office also filed a lawsuit late Friday accusing federal officers of using unlawful tactics. Protesters, along with videos posted on social media, have described scenes of federal officers seizing people and pulling them into unmarked vans.

The American Civil Liberties Union Foundation of Oregon has also filed in court to curtail the actions of federal officers, and the group said 'many' more lawsuits that will be forthcoming.
Mary B. McCord, a professor at Georgetown Law and former national security official at the U.S. Department of Justice, said the federal tactics and use of unmarked vehicles were reminiscent of the much-criticized federal response to demonstrations in Washington in June.

Ms. McCord said federal officials were on dangerous ground with the tactics they were using, including seizing and detaining protesters off the streets and seemingly portraying all protesters as part of a dangerous movement.

'It sends the message that these people are terrorists and need to be treated like terrorists,' said Ms. McCord.

She added: 'This is the kind of thing we see in authoritarian regimes.' "

Federal Officers Deployed in Portland Didn’t Have Proper Training, D.H.S. Memo Said (Published 2020)

Rather than tamping down persistent protests in Portland, Ore., a militarized presence from federal officers seems to have re-energized them.

www.nytimes.com

 

[House Cat]

Where are all the rabid 2nd amendment supporters? We now have a corrupt government waging war on its own people so why aren't the "good guys with guns" out there fighting? Pffft.

Proof that the second amendment means nothing to these people who swore it meant everything to them. It was all a lie to cover for their gun filled fantasies where they get to murder someone without liability.

 

[Karl_K]

Where are all the rabid 2nd amendment supporters? We now have a corrupt government waging war on its own people so why aren't the "good guys with guns" out there fighting? Pffft.

"own people"
Why should they care that a bunch of people who hate them get arrested?
Where is your gun and why arent you out there?

 

[Karl_K]

Proof that the second amendment means nothing to these people who swore it meant everything to them. It was all a lie to cover for their gun filled fantasies where they get to murder someone without liability.

Where is your gun and why aren't you out there fighting?
Why do you expect someone else to do it for you when you wont?

 

[kenny]

WTF has happened to my country?

I'm so glad I have but a few years left, and I feel terrible for young Americans.
Why would any American have a kid today?

 

[Asscherhalo_lover]

WTF has happened to my country?

I'm so glad I have but a few years left, and I feel terrible for young Americans.
Why would any American have a kid today?

Because we still have hope

 

[Matata]

Why should they care that a bunch of people who hate them get arrested?
Where is your gun and why arent you out there?

You have no effing idea who, if any, of those people hate anyone. I'm not an advocate of guns, never have been so I'm true to my beliefs, unlike the gun toters.

 

[Karl_K]

You have no effing idea who, if any, of those people hate anyone. I'm not an advocate of guns, never have been so I'm true to my beliefs, unlike the gun toters.

Why should they risk their life and liberty when you will not for your cause?

 

[Matata]

Why should they risk their life and liberty when you will not for your cause?

Uh well let's see, I'm on the streets protesting -- risking life and liberty by potential harm from commandos, from fringe group lunatics, from crooked cops, and single brain-celled humans who like to shoot protesters for sport (happened in my town 2 wks ago) -- and I'm doing it to gain rights for those who are disenfranchised as well as help in the fight to protect rights for all -- even people like you. And while I'm volunteering and protesting, I'm also donating money to groups who fight for justice for all -- even people like you.

Patiently waiting for your next show of ignorance....

 

[Karl_K]

Uh well let's see, I'm on the streets protesting -- risking life and liberty by potential harm from commandos, from fringe group lunatics, from crooked cops, and single brain-celled humans who like to shoot protesters for sport (happened in my town 2 wks ago) -- and I'm doing it to gain rights for those who are disenfranchised as well as help in the fight to protect rights for all -- even people like you. And while I'm volunteering and protesting, I'm also donating money to groups who fight for justice for all -- even people like you.

Patiently waiting for your next show of ignorance....

none of that changes that if you feel guns are the answer why you expect someone else to do it for you?

 

[Matata]

none of that changes that if you feel guns are the answer why you expect someone else to do it for you?

It's called sarcasm...2nd amendment folks, and PSers in many discussions here, claim that one of their many reasons for wanting to own guns is to protect against the US government if it goes corrupt. It is now corrupt ergo, I asked why they weren't putting their actions where their mouths are, knowing full well that they won't.

And on a broader philosophical level, do you not expect the military to fight wars, which you cannot participate in, to keep you safe and free? Why do you expect someone else to do it for you?

I'm not going to spar with you tonight because I'm not in a mood to keep it civil.

 

[Karl_K]

I personally dont think guns are the answer.
There are other solutions and they are being implemented by the state.

 

[Dancing Fire]

WTF has happened to my country?

The far left have taken over our country...

 

[OboeGal]

Where is your gun and why aren't you out there fighting?
Why do you expect someone else to do it for you when you wont?

Do you really think an authoritarian government that denies the constitutional right to protest won't eventually come for you and your other constitutional rights? Do you really think an authoritarian government that denies the constitutional right to protest is long-term going to respect the 2nd Amendment and allow the populace it's dominating to actually have arms? Sure, they'll go after the people that are more obviously opposed to those in power first, because by convincing you that those protestors hate you, and/or are a "threat to America," they can get you to turn and look away from this, just like you're doing right here, get your support at the voting polls, and maybe even convince y'all to use your guns to help them squash them. But then, after they've squashed them, who do you think they'll be coming for next? Do you really think, once they don't need you to be armed to help them put down "the others," that they'll let you keep those guns and risk an armed insurrection against them once y'all have figured out what's really happened here?

You need to look at the bigger picture here. This is MAJOR. This should be a wake-up call to every single American, regardless of where you fall in all this division that they, and Russian actors, and Chinese actors, and a whole lot of media outlets, and a whole lot of wealthy people have been sowing for a while now for their power and advantage. All this division has been a long, multi-pronged con game on the American people, and if we don't wake the frack up and soon, well......the world will be calling time of death on a free and democratic America.

 

[Missy]

Do you really think an authoritarian government that denies the constitutional right to protest won't eventually come for you and your other constitutional rights? Do you really think an authoritarian government that denies the constitutional right to protest is long-term going to respect the 2nd Amendment and allow the populace it's dominating to actually have arms? Sure, they'll go after the people that are more obviously opposed to those in power first, because by convincing you that those protestors hate you, and/or are a "threat to America," they can get you to turn and look away from this, just like you're doing right here, get your support at the voting polls, and maybe even convince y'all to use your guns to help them squash them. But then, after they've squashed them, who do you think they'll be coming for next? Do you really think, once they don't need you to be armed to help them put down "the others," that they'll let you keep those guns and risk an armed insurrection against them once y'all have figured out what's really happened here?

You need to look at the bigger picture here. This is MAJOR. This should be a wake-up call to every single American, regardless of where you fall in all this division that they, and Russian actors, and Chinese actors, and a whole lot of media outlets, and a whole lot of wealthy people have been sowing for a while now for their power and advantage. All this division has been a long, multi-pronged con game on the American people, and if we don't wake the frack up and soon, well......the world will be calling time of death on a free and democratic America.

As always @OboeGal I agree with everything you wrote.

 

[OreoRosies86]

It’s so funny, because for all the whining about how much Conservatives don’t want the government in their life so much, it’s radio silence now.

 

[OreoRosies86]

Because we still have hope

Ditto. I am grateful for the family I created, now more than ever for so many reasons!

 

[House Cat]

Where is your gun and why aren't you out there fighting?
Why do you expect someone else to do it for you when you wont?

My imaginary gun? I can put my fingers in the air and say “pew pew!”