My GF can tell the diff. between F and G, and picked out a VS2 inclusion without a loupe...

[BigToque]

Unbelieveable...

First we went to a local mall shop and I wanted to see how sensitive she was to color. She easily picked out an F from a G on a 1ct. stone. (We looked at round brilliants)

Then I took her to Henry Birks to see if she could tell on a much more well cut 1ct stone. She picked out the F in under 10 seconds.

Then when we were looking at another 1ct F VS2, she pointed out an inclusion without a loupe. I couldn''t see it, so I used a loupe and was able to find it.

My GF is practically deaf in 1 ear, and they say that when you lose senses, others attempt to compensate. Apparently my GF''s eyes are compensating (

Now I gotta look at more expensive stones

)

I didn''t think it was possible to see a VS2 unaided.

 

[eks6426]

I could easily tell the difference between F & G as well. You might try finding some of the super ideal diamonds and seeing if she notices then.

 

[BigToque]

Date: 11/4/2005 1:15:00 PM
Author: IslandDreams
I could easily tell the difference between F & G as well. You might try finding some of the super ideal diamonds and seeing if she notices then.

There are no "super-ideal" stones anywhere near my city. I''m sure the closest place might be Toronto. I''m not going to Toronto just to look at diamonds

 

[JohnQuixote]

Date: 11/4/2005 1:09:24 PM
Author:BigToque
Unbelieveable...

First we went to a local mall shop and I wanted to see how sensitive she was to color. She easily picked out an F from a G on a 1ct. stone. (We looked at round brilliants)

Then I took her to Henry Birks to see if she could tell on a much more well cut 1ct stone. She picked out the F in under 10 seconds.

Then when we were looking at another 1ct F VS2, she pointed out an inclusion without a loupe. I couldn''t see it, so I used a loupe and was able to find it.

My GF is practically deaf in 1 ear, and they say that when you lose senses, others attempt to compensate. Apparently my GF''s eyes are compensating (

Now I gotta look at more expensive stones

)

I didn''t think it was possible to see a VS2 unaided.

It''s very possible. Color sensitivity and clarity perception varies among people. Additionally, the age of closest/most distinct vision is 16, and it''s all downhill from there

Be sure you are looking at diamonds graded by the same lab when noting the differences. If possible, limit these comparisons to diamonds graded by the GIA and AGS - or at least all by the same lab. Remember, just like college profs, some labs grade softer than others. You could show her an F and a G from (labX) that may actually be an H and a J by GIA/AGS standards. Same thing with clarity. You will very rarely ever find anything VS or above graded by the GIA/AGS that has eye-visible inclusions to someone with normal vision, but you can find (labX) diamonds graded VS that are not eye-clean at all.

 

[belle]

Date: 11/4/2005 1:21:08 PM
Author: JohnQuixote

Be sure you are looking at diamonds graded by the same lab when noting the differences. If possible, limit these comparisons to diamonds graded by the GIA and AGS - or at least all by the same lab. Remember, just like college profs, some labs grade softer than others. You could show her an F and a G from (labX) that may actually be an H and a J by GIA/AGS standards. Same thing with clarity. You will very rarely ever find anything VS or above graded by the GIA/AGS that has eye-visible inclusions to someone with normal vision, but you can find (labX) diamonds graded VS that are not eye-clean at all.

this is very true. make sure you are looking at comparable stones. i know you said you don''t have any places to look at ideal cut stones that are nearby, but you have to keep in mind the quality (or lack of) that you may have been observing thusfar. i saw a remarkable difference between the pedestrian cuts and aca.

 

[BigToque]

The stones I was looking at were GIA "Ideal"

I didn''t look at the specifics of the stones, but I did see the certificate.

 

[Mara]

maybe you just need a better VS2.

as belle pointed out, not all stones or 'ideal' cuts are equal. So make sure you are comparing apples to apples in terms of color and clarity. One VS2 is not another, one G is not another, etc. Some stones have more 'gray' or 'blue' in them to make them appear whiter.

good luck!

 

[ame]

That''s some freaking eagle vision there...wow!

 

[E B]

All I can say is.....bummer!

(where''s the laughing emoticon?)

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 11/4/2005 2:01:22 PM
Author: ame
That''s some freaking eagle vision there...wow!

i think his GF is MMM.... LOL.

sorry MORE, i had to get that one in.

 

[Lynn B]

Well, yeah, this is all interesting.... buuuuuut, does she truly PREFER an F over a G -- or could she just identify the difference? A lot of people PREFER warmer colored diamonds, and particularly when they see how much LARGER of a diamond they can get with the same amount of $$$!!!

PS The clarity issue is another thing altogether... most people don''t want to be able to see inclusions (although some don''t mind and a few prefer it)... but the color thing... that''s a horse of a different color, IMHO!

 

[d_vader]

When you put an F and a G against a white background, say a piece of paper, then you can see the difference. The G will stick out like a sore thumb.

Can''t say about clarity discrimination.

 

[belle]

Date: 11/4/2005 3:09:39 PM
Author: d_vader
When you put an F and a G against a white background, say a piece of paper, then you can see the difference. The G will stick out like a sore thumb.

Can''t say about clarity discrimination.

good thing i got a tan this summer...no telling what a j color stone would have looked like on my hand!
well...it probably doesn''t matter....i really never was paper white anyway.

 

[d_vader]

Date: 11/4/2005 3:31:30 PM
Author: belle

Date: 11/4/2005 3:09:39 PM
Author: d_vader
When you put an F and a G against a white background, say a piece of paper, then you can see the difference. The G will stick out like a sore thumb.

Can''t say about clarity discrimination.

good thing i got a tan this summer...no telling what a j color stone would have looked like on my hand!
well...it probably doesn''t matter....i really never was paper white anyway.

LOL...actually I think that is why people get yellow gold settings if their diamond is a J color. In any case, it is still hard to tell the difference between a F and G.

 

[DiamondExpert]

Looking into my crystal ball, I see an E/VVS stone in your future!!

 

[Regular Guy]

Owww. Now there''s a difference.

 

[Shay37]

I have to agree with Lynn B here. There is a big difference between seeing color and being bothered by it. Some people can see color quite easily between grades, but they prefer warmer tones to their diamond. Ah, personal preference is still the thing.

DF, I was just thinking of MMM myself when I read the title of the thread.

shay

 

[Mara]

Date: 11/4/2005 3:37:24 PM
Author: d_vader

Date: 11/4/2005 3:31:30 PM
Author: belle

Date: 11/4/2005 3:09:39 PM
Author: d_vader
When you put an F and a G against a white background, say a piece of paper, then you can see the difference. The G will stick out like a sore thumb.

Can't say about clarity discrimination.

good thing i got a tan this summer...no telling what a j color stone would have looked like on my hand!
well...it probably doesn't matter....i really never was paper white anyway.

LOL...actually I think that is why people get yellow gold settings if their diamond is a J color. In any case, it is still hard to tell the difference between a F and G.

I know, Precious Jewels' big 3c J looks SOOOO horrible in platinum, whatever was she thinking!!!!!

Probably the same thing as the countless people in the 'J Stones in Platinum' thread...

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/j-color-stones-in-platinum.24731/

 

[Kaleigh]

I''ll trade my E for PJ''s anyday of the week. That is soooo not going to happen. But just goes to show what a fabulous well cut J can look like!!!

 

[perry]

A lot of people can tell the color grades apart - afterall, that is how they are graded.

I too have seen inclusions in diamonds that were rated VS2. Not often, and they aren''t large. But someone with sharp eyes will see them.

Note: one of the things that made Chuck Yaeger such a successfull fighter & test pilot was the fact that he natuarlly has 20/10 vision. He can see at 20 ft what most people can see at 10.

One of the things that made me a successfull Canoe/kayak slalom judge was that fact that my eyes naturally correct to about 20/15 with glasses (pair after pair after pair).

Yet my brother, usually cannot get glasses to any better than 20/25.

20/20 is nothing more than an average. Some people see better than that, some people see worse than that.


Perry