My 2.3ct Octavia on YouTube

[Tourmaline]

Woo-hoo!!! Lovely!

 

[Dancing Fire]

I don't know if you're happy with the stats or not but I'd think I would be, if they were at all connected to price....


Perfection, as always.

I was hoping for H VS2 but even a master cutter like Yoram can't change Mother Nature..

 

[cflutist]

I don't know if you're happy with the stats or not but I'd think I would be, if they were at all connected to price....


Perfection, as always.

I was hoping for H VS2 but even a master cutter like Yoram can't change Mother Nature..

Sorry, but look at it this way, there was a 20% chance of a J, so you did good there with an I.

Remarks from Yoram...

My estimated opinion:

Polished weight estimation: 2.34 to 2.23ct+/- Result = 2.30

Color: 10% G - 20% H - 50% I - 20% J. Result = I

Perhaps you could have started with higher color rough to guarantee your H?
For example:

Color: 10% E - 20% F - 50% G- 20% H.

 

[kenny]

Oh come on DF.
Make your next Octavia a flawless 5 ct Fancy Vivid Blue.

 

[Dancing Fire]

I don't know if you're happy with the stats or not but I'd think I would be, if they were at all connected to price....


Perfection, as always.

I was hoping for H VS2 but even a master cutter like Yoram can't change Mother Nature..

Sorry, but look at it this way, there was a 20% chance of a J, so you did good there with an I.

Remarks from Yoram...

My estimated opinion:

Polished weight estimation: 2.34 to 2.23ct+/- Result = 2.30

Color: 10% G - 20% H - 50% I - 20% J. Result = I

Perhaps you could have started with higher color rough to guarantee your H?
For example:

Color: 10% E - 20% F - 50% G- 20% H.

This was the only rough available at the time to cut a 2+ ct Octavia. From what I understand Yoram looks for certain shape of rough to cut Octavias b/c most likely the rough will only yield one stone. No big deal I'm sure the I color stone will sparkle as much as a D color stone.

 

[cflutist]

It sure does sparkle.

It is fabulous on the video.

 

[DL]

Every time I see this thread I have to click the YouTube link. So much drool to clean up.

 

[kenny]

 

[Tekate]

THAT is not just a 'stone' that diamond is a piece of art.. it's a killer. thank you so much for sharing your continued journey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3CpHG-_kc8&feature=em-upload_owner

 

[Dancing Fire]

I don't have the stone yet, however I found out that my local jeweler can't do a custom tension setting. A 14k WG Gelin Abaci setting will cost $3600 and a Palladium 500 is $2400 ..

 

[isaku5]

This is where you might have to consider the ratio of Octavia to setting

 

[cflutist]

I don't have the stone yet, however I found out that my local jeweler can't do a custom tension setting. A 14k WG Gelin Abaci setting will cost $3600 and a Palladium 500 is $2400 ..

Did he say why? Just curious.

 

[gregchang35]

I think there are only a few ppl that can do a REAL tension setting. Kenny says there are 4 from recollection but i cant recall. there are only 2 that i can name:
1) Gelin Abaci
2) Boone
3)
4)


Boone doesn't deal with precious metals like gold alloys due to the strength of metal to keep the tension on the stone...????? Kenny has his Octavia by Boone and it is set in Chrome/Cobalt mix which he says "stays relatively white"
But i think he will jump in at some point to help you out....

But i guess in the scheme of things the cost of the setting is minor compared to the cost of the Octavia. YOU deserve it!

 

[gregchang35]

I don't have the stone yet, however I found out that my local jeweler can't do a custom tension setting. A 14k WG Gelin Abaci setting will cost $3600 and a Palladium 500 is $2400 ..

Did he say why? Just curious.

When i tried to get my generic asscher tension set in 18k WG, my local jeweler said that they were concerned with the stone falling out. I settled for a bar under that tension setting.
Boone stated that the 18k WG alloy mix would not be strong enough to be able to hold the stone in place for a long time, hence his preference for Titanium and Chrome.

There is the tension of the metals to keep the stones in place.

But i am sure Kenny will have more input than i, as he owns a few tension settings.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Some good news...just received a quote from another local jeweler.

http://www.gelinabaci.com/product_detail.php?id=150

TR-005 in 14 WG is $2520 and in Palladium 500 is $1750, think I can still haggle on the price...

 

[Dancing Fire]

I don't have the stone yet, however I found out that my local jeweler can't do a custom tension setting. A 14k WG Gelin Abaci setting will cost $3600 and a Palladium 500 is $2400 ..

Did he say why? Just curious.

I don't know why..said he must put a bridge below the culet so it is not really a true tension setting. He recommended a SK tension setting, but a SK setting will cost an arm and two legs.

 

[LLJsmom]

Sorry I missed this. I was buried in busy season. I just showed the video to my daughter and she said, "It blings so much! It's magnificent!" She's only 9. What excellent taste, even if I do say so myself.

Congratulations DF!! That is a spectacular stone.

 

[kenny]

I think there are only a few ppl that can do a REAL tension setting. Kenny says there are 4 from recollection but i cant recall. there are only 2 that i can name:
1) Gelin Abaci
2) Boone
3)
4)


Boone doesn't deal with precious metals like gold alloys due to the strength of metal to keep the tension on the stone...????? Kenny has his Octavia by Boone and it is set in Chrome/Cobalt mix which he says "stays relatively white"
But i think he will jump in at some point to help you out....

But i guess in the scheme of things the cost of the setting is minor compared to the cost of the Octavia. YOU deserve it!

Greg's correct.
My Octavia is set in this Boonering setting. http://www.boonerings.com/stone-settings/sidegrooves.htm
$490+$100 for the upgrade to Cobalt Chrome, which after a year seems as white as new.
My SO's is in the same setting but in titanium, which has become quite dark after a few years.

The two other tension setting makers I'd trust are:
http://en.niessing.com/tension-ring
http://www.stevenkretchmer.com are the other two.

I'm not an expert; there may be other competent makers.
I have only used Boonering and also have a platinum Gelin Abaci tension setting.
GA is wonderful and the workmanship under a 10x loupe is better than Boone ... but Boone is a fraction of the cost.

 

[kenny]

Some good news...just received a quote from another local jeweler.

http://www.gelinabaci.com/product_detail.php?id=150

TR-005 in 14 WG is $2520 and in Palladium 500 is $1750, think I can still haggle on the price...

DF, check this dealer's prices. http://www.ithacajewelbox.com/gelinabaci-tension-rings?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=928&category_id=28

 

[kenny]

I don't have the stone yet, however I found out that my local jeweler can't do a custom tension setting. A 14k WG Gelin Abaci setting will cost $3600 and a Palladium 500 is $2400 ..

Did he say why? Just curious.

I don't know why..said he must put a bridge below the culet so it is not really a true tension setting. He recommended a SK tension setting, but a SK setting will cost an arm and two legs.

I've heard that specialized knowledge, processes, equipment and alloys are required to assure the stone is held safely over time.
Any jeweler can try to make one, but I'd only trust my diamond with the 4 makers with a track record I'm familiar with.

YMMV, and everyone should do their own homework.

Niessing, German company, and Steven Kretchmer are more expensive than Gelin Abaci.
All 3 work in precious metals and I think Niessing also makes tension settings in stainless steel.
Boone uses only non-precious metals for his rings but uses gold and platinum as decorative accents.

DF, when do you think you'll get the stone?
Is it back with GOG now?

I'm nosy.

 

[Dancing Fire]

[quote="kenny|
DF, when do you think you'll get the stone?
Is it back with GOG now?
I'm nosy.
[/quote]


Yes, its at GOG now hope to be here by early next week.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Some good news...just received a quote from another local jeweler.

http://www.gelinabaci.com/product_detail.php?id=150

TR-005 in 14 WG is $2520 and in Palladium 500 is $1750, think I can still haggle on the price...

DF, check this dealer's prices. http://www.ithacajewelbox.com/gelinabaci-tension-rings?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=928&category_id=28

I'll give them a call tomorrow. I think my local jeweler's price is pretty reasonable.

Kenny..What do you think about a narrower setting (which I like) but then the corners will be exposed to danger of be being chipped.

http://www.gelinabaci.com/product_detail.php?id=170

 

[Dancing Fire]

Sorry I missed this. I was buried in busy season. I just showed the video to my daughter and she said, "It blings so much! It's magnificent!" She's only 9. What excellent taste, even if I do say so myself.

Congratulations DF!! That is a spectacular stone.

Thanks LLJ..

 

[MissGotRocks]

So excited to see the stone set and on your hand!

It's gonna be gorgeous!!

 

[missy]

So excited to see the stone set and on your hand!

It's gonna be gorgeous!!

Yes it is gorgeous and I also cannot wait to see you wearing this beauty!

 

[blackprophet]

Some good news...just received a quote from another local jeweler.

http://www.gelinabaci.com/product_detail.php?id=150

TR-005 in 14 WG is $2520 and in Palladium 500 is $1750, think I can still haggle on the price...

DF, check this dealer's prices. http://www.ithacajewelbox.com/gelinabaci-tension-rings?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=928&category_id=28

I'll give them a call tomorrow. I think my local jeweler's price is pretty reasonable.

Kenny..What do you think about a narrower setting (which I like) but then the corners will be exposed to danger of be being chipped.

http://www.gelinabaci.com/product_detail.php?id=170

I'm buying my Ring from there (it is a James Binnion Mokume ring).
Their customer service is awesome.
Steven is the person I dealt with.

 

[kenny]

Kenny..What do you think about a narrower setting (which I like) but then the corners will be exposed to danger of be being chipped.
http://www.gelinabaci.com/product_detail.php?id=170

You are comparing Gelin Abaci styles 5 and 39.



Yes, clearly 5 is more protective than 39.
But you could look at it another way; 39 has more metal touching/protecting the diamond than the 4-prong settings which zillions of gals wear with no issues.

Style is of course 100% personal preference, but I strongly prefer the aesthetic of 5 for an Octavia.
IMO the flat sides compliment the character of an asscher much better than the curved sides of 39.
For a round diamond I would prefer 39.
FWIW, 5 feels more masculine to me, which may seem more fitting to some men and women since we are accustomed to seeing a solitaire diamond of substantial size on more women than men.
Some people want to fit in with society's expectations, others just want to wear what they like.
Again no right or wrong here, just another personal preference thing.

39 will let more light into and out of the diamond, and block less of your view ... a very good thing considering what diamonds cost.

IIRC, you can tell Gelin Abaci how much you want the diamond's table to extend above the metal, if at all.
Same with the metal on the side of the ring that could protect, or not protect, the girdle.
Besides affecting the diamond's protection and the appearance of the ring, these two choices will affect how much light gets in and out, and how much of your diamond the setting allows you to see.

These compromises are complex choices only you can make.
Accidents can happen to anyone but the lifestyles, work and hobbies of some people are more hazardous to diamonds than others.
IOW, if your life is pretty cushy you may opt for setting choices that give you a better view of your Octavia.

To me maximizing the experience of the diamond takes a back seat to the appearance of the ring ... as in form follows function.
My ultimate setting would be invisible; the diamond would just magically hover above my finger with light entering and exiting in all directions.
I have both a GA setting (TR-005 IIRC) and a Booering side grooves setting so I'm familiar with the effect of letting light in on all 4 sides.
The improvement of light performance of letting light in on all four sides is significant.
GA does not offer a setting like Boone's Sidegrooves (mine).
If I was going to order a new GA setting for my Octavia today I'd ask GA if they could make a ring that does what Sidegrooves does, a legal one of course.
BTW, I'd call GA directly.
I don't see anything the dealer could contribute to the conversation of this custom request.
They may just get in the way ... though you'd obviously have to order it through a dealer.

 

[Dancing Fire]

The 039 looks more comfortable to wear b/c of the rounded edges vs the sharper squared edges on the 005.

 

[kenny]

The 039 looks more comfortable to wear b/c of the rounded edges vs the sharper squared edges on the 005.

I can't argue with that.
But the real life metal rings never have the sharp hard edges of the CAD drawings.

Also keep in mind you don't have a round diamond so your ring must be thicker than the CAD images above holding round diamonds.
The channel in the side of the ring has to be wider than a long side of your Octavia.
IOW they custom make each ring to each diamond.
That means a style 39 for your 2.3 ct Octavia will be considerably wider and more bulky-looking than the style 39 ring above, which looks like it's holding a round about 1 ct.

The channel for a round only has to touch a small arc of the girdle.
The channel for an asscher has to enclose an entire side (one long side of the 8 sides).

That means if this 39 was made for an asscher not as much of the diamond's girdle could possibly extend beyond the sides of the ring.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Most likely I will go with the 005 flat top clamps with rounded edges.