More whining and excuses from sore loser HRC.

[monarch64]

HC, I don't think Hillary was a flawless candidate at ALL. She left a lot to be desired, but I really don't see why all the HATE for her.

I absolutely understand why people voted for Trump. I come from a town (I live about 20 minutes away and have interactions frequently with the population) of 80% republican trump supporters. I do believe I can find evidence of that statistic from the November polls, if need be. Factory workers whose jobs have been relocated or lost due to the employees' unwillingness to relocate. White people who've had absolutely no interaction with people of color other than the local Mexican restaurant staff. People who have never traveled outside of the Midwest nor seen an ocean. People who have been raised to believe that a woman's place is in a school or a hospital under the management of a male superior, or on an assembly line, a la Roseanne back in the day, again under the management of a male superior (why can't they at least look like George Clooney?) People who are taught from day one to look no further than the community approved holy book so that they are guaranteed paradise post physical death. People who cling to very traditional, community approved ideals, who aren't having any of your diversity or your worldliness or anything that could possibly cause them not to live out their dream of four-wheeling, fishing, and Friday night lights or their ability to watch The Apprentice on a 70 inch flat screen they are renting to own in their doublewide on 5 acres with a pond and spotty internet access.

I've had conversations with those people my entire life. I can give you every reason under the sun they have for supporting right wing policy. Here's a good one: "let him do his job, he's doing way better than that dam n*gger." Now tell me again how I should be honest with myself about why Trump won??? I am more than happy to listen and try to understand what i so clearly do not.

 

[t-c]

I thought this, from Greg Sargent in the Washington Post summed it up nicely. I haven't read the book, but I did listen to her on Pod Save America, and I thought on there anyway she was pretty gracious about her shortcomings as a candidate.

Yes! This precisely!

I don't understand people who would tell Hillary to go away, as if, having lost an election, she no longer has anything to say worth listening to.

 

[t-c]

Ha! I know! Those damned lazy milennials!! Let's see how many other stereotypes we can throw at them while at the same time, being pissed at gender stereotypes!

I get it, you think Hillary was an a flawless candidate. Hopefully, for you, she runs again. Hopefully, for the rest of us, she keeps her word and does not.

Most of you are misunderstanding me and thinking that I believe a candidate should win due to image alone. I'm not sure why you would assume such a thing...as I said that I voted for her and stated why I did so. But it seems that many of you want to pile on and jump to your own invented conclusions.

Go for it.

Until you are honest with yourselves about the reasons why she lost, we will not solve the problem with the reason why Trump won.

But a candidate did win based on image alone. The presidency is held by a guy who has no guiding principles (besides making money) and it is reflected on his confusing policy statements on Twitter. The guy in the White House can't get anything done because he himself barely knows what he wants to get done. He certainly didn't have a plan when he entered the Oval Office.

What you don't seem to understand is that I am honest about the reasons she lost. The difference between you and me is that I don't feel it is necessary to bash her over the head with it.

I know how the Democrats can win the White House next year. Run a charismatic man on the ticket.

 

[Tekate]

I wish someone would answer your question, why all the hate against Clinton? If someone could answer that I would appreciate it.

HC, I don't think Hillary was a flawless candidate at ALL. She left a lot to be desired, but I really don't see why all the HATE for her.

I absolutely understand why people voted for Trump. I come from a town (I live about 20 minutes away and have interactions frequently with the population) of 80% republican trump supporters. I do believe I can find evidence of that statistic from the November polls, if need be. Factory workers whose jobs have been relocated or lost due to the employees' unwillingness to relocate. White people who've had absolutely no interaction with people of color other than the local Mexican restaurant staff. People who have never traveled outside of the Midwest nor seen an ocean. People who have been raised to believe that a woman's place is in a school or a hospital under the management of a male superior, or on an assembly line, a la Roseanne back in the day, again under the management of a male superior (why can't they at least look like George Clooney?) People who are taught from day one to look no further than the community approved holy book so that they are guaranteed paradise post physical death. People who cling to very traditional, community approved ideals, who aren't having any of your diversity or your worldliness or anything that could possibly cause them not to live out their dream of four-wheeling, fishing, and Friday night lights or their ability to watch The Apprentice on a 70 inch flat screen they are renting to own in their doublewide on 5 acres with a pond and spotty internet access.

I've had conversations with those people my entire life. I can give you every reason under the sun they have for supporting right wing policy. Here's a good one: "let him do his job, he's doing way better than that dam n*gger." Now tell me again how I should be honest with myself about why Trump won??? I am more than happy to listen and try to understand what i so clearly do not.

 

[Calliecake]

HC, I don't think Hillary was a flawless candidate at ALL. She left a lot to be desired, but I really don't see why all the HATE for her.

I absolutely understand why people voted for Trump. I come from a town (I live about 20 minutes away and have interactions frequently with the population) of 80% republican trump supporters. I do believe I can find evidence of that statistic from the November polls, if need be. Factory workers whose jobs have been relocated or lost due to the employees' unwillingness to relocate. White people who've had absolutely no interaction with people of color other than the local Mexican restaurant staff. People who have never traveled outside of the Midwest nor seen an ocean. People who have been raised to believe that a woman's place is in a school or a hospital under the management of a male superior, or on an assembly line, a la Roseanne back in the day, again under the management of a male superior (why can't they at least look like George Clooney?) People who are taught from day one to look no further than the community approved holy book so that they are guaranteed paradise post physical death. People who cling to very traditional, community approved ideals, who aren't having any of your diversity or your worldliness or anything that could possibly cause them not to live out their dream of four-wheeling, fishing, and Friday night lights or their ability to watch The Apprentice on a 70 inch flat screen they are renting to own in their doublewide on 5 acres with a pond and spotty internet access.

I've had conversations with those people my entire life. I can give you every reason under the sun they have for supporting right wing policy. Here's a good one: "let him do his job, he's doing way better than that dam n*gger." Now tell me again how I should be honest with myself about why Trump won??? I am more than happy to listen and try to understand what i so clearly do not.

Damn you are good Monnie. You could not have described two of my family members any better if you sat down and spoke to them for an hour. The only difference is they have beautiful houses on their 5 acres of land. Their comments about Obama made me sick. They teach their children the same racist, misogynistic ways.

 

[monarch64]

Callie, I wish I wasn't able to describe it so well. I have even gotten to know quite a few people in the (mainly liberal) town I live in now who vote straight R ticket, and they are very intelligent, well-to-do folks with lovely homes and seemingly lovelier families. People from all walks of life were attracted to DJT.

My feeling, and HC, this is what I think you're getting at, is that there are some in-betweeners who felt ignored, sneered at, looked over as not good enough, and yes, called "deplorables" by HRC herself, and they voted based on that. DJT, a marketing expert (he is nothing if not a good salesman,) tapped right into that part of their collective ego. He made them feel as though they counted. It doesn't matter how unattainable his lifestyle is. There is always that tiny glimmer of hope that they can acquire just a tiny fraction of what he represents. And if it takes building a wall, and closing off the US to immigrants from other countries, and building an even larger military, and really showing the world who's boss, then by golly that's why they'll stand by him because he promised that to them and they deserve the America their ancestors fought for.

Difference between HRC and DJT? He played people by using their fears against them. She just played the game, apparently to some for too long.

 

[Dancing Fire]

But like I said, let's wait for his tax policy before we make the final call.

You better hope that his tax cut policies won't pass, b/c if it does our economy will boom again and Trump will be re-elected in 2020.

Do you think Trump's base give their kids down payment for their houses? Are you saying you're part of Trump's base now?

My point is that there is nothing wrong with parents helping their kids out whenever they can

 

[Dancing Fire]

DF, I hope your girls are forever grateful and fall in line like the good capitalists you've raised them to be!

I hope so too, b/c I don't want to see them living under a socialist system. My parents escaped from communist China to HK in the early 50's then immigrated here to the U.S. in the 60's.

 

[t-c]

@Dancing Fire Yeah, like it will somehow buck what happened with Reagan, W, and Kansas (do you have the guts to read about that yet?).

What you don't seem to understand is that the government is a MAJOR driver of the economy, and if you significantly reduce its activity by cutting programs, slashing revenue via tax cuts, and limiting its scope, you're killing a big part of the economy. So, for the economy to grow like you're saying it will, someone will have to make up for the loss of government activity.

 

[t-c]

I wish someone would answer your question, why all the hate against Clinton? If someone could answer that I would appreciate it.

Because people have been conditioned to hate Hillary Clinton. She has been under investigation (mostly by Republicans) for over 20 years and that alone, even when they find nothing, will make people suspicious. The feeling being "she must be shady to be investigated that much." But people don't necessarily acknowledge the fact that none of the investigations have ever found evidence of criminal wrongdoing.

But as to her original sin against Republicans in Congress, I have no idea. I think she must have eaten their first borns or something.

 

[monarch64]

t-c:
WHITEWATERGATE
VAGINA
EMAILS

I mean really that's it in a nutshell...plus a little BENGHAZI and INTERROGATING A RAPE VICTIM.

Here's my favorite: Americans want an "every-man." A "relatable" person. Well, hell's bells, I'm betting most of us are about as relatable as they come and have more than a few skeletons for which we'd be absolutely crucified. People can't have it both ways. You know, that whole Madonna/whore thang. Pick a f*&^ing lane.

 

[Dancing Fire]

@Dancing Fire Yeah, like it will somehow buck what happened with Reagan, W, and Kansas (do you have the guts to read about that yet?).

What you don't seem to understand is that the government is a MAJOR driver of the economy, and if you significantly reduce its activity by cutting programs, slashing revenue via tax cuts, and limiting its scope, you're killing a big part of the economy. So, for the economy to grow like you're saying it will, someone will have to make up for the loss of government activity.

You should move to Venezuela...
http://nypost.com/2017/08/01/venezuela-a-nation-devoured-by-socialism/

 

[ksinger]

t-c:
WHITEWATERGATE
VAGINA
EMAILS

I mean really that's it in a nutshell...plus a little BENGHAZI and INTERROGATING A RAPE VICTIM.

Here's my favorite: Americans want an "every-man." A "relatable" person. Well, hell's bells, I'm betting most of us are about as relatable as they come and have more than a few skeletons for which we'd be absolutely crucified. People can't have it both ways. You know, that whole Madonna/whore thang. Pick a f*&^ing lane.

You ARE my hero this week. However, you and others do keep forgetting that Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster killed. Probably did it herself. Deliberately drove him to suicide at the very least. So you need to add "MURDERER" to your bullet points to round things out nicely.

Hey, just trying to help.

 

[monarch64]

Ksinger, with all that power ol' Hillary has over people, who needs a presidency, amirite? She can practically melt people with one sour look. Maybe she can fly over on Air Broom One and make Kimmy's nukes vanish with her magical lady powers.

 

[lovedogs]

t-c:
WHITEWATERGATE
VAGINA
EMAILS

I mean really that's it in a nutshell...plus a little BENGHAZI and INTERROGATING A RAPE VICTIM.

Here's my favorite: Americans want an "every-man." A "relatable" person. Well, hell's bells, I'm betting most of us are about as relatable as they come and have more than a few skeletons for which we'd be absolutely crucified. People can't have it both ways. You know, that whole Madonna/whore thang. Pick a f*&^ing lane.

I think we need to move "VAGINA" up on the list to #1. Because god forbid a confident and competent woman have the AUDACITY to say her opinions and be in the public eye. rollroll

 

[ksinger]

I think we need to move "VAGINA" up on the list to #1. Because god forbid a confident and competent woman have the AUDACITY to say her opinions and be in the public eye. rollroll

She's been under the misogyny gun since before she dissed making cookies. Remember the cookie palaver? I sure do.

 

[House Cat]

HC, I don't think Hillary was a flawless candidate at ALL. She left a lot to be desired, but I really don't see why all the HATE for her.

I absolutely understand why people voted for Trump. I come from a town (I live about 20 minutes away and have interactions frequently with the population) of 80% republican trump supporters. I do believe I can find evidence of that statistic from the November polls, if need be. Factory workers whose jobs have been relocated or lost due to the employees' unwillingness to relocate. White people who've had absolutely no interaction with people of color other than the local Mexican restaurant staff. People who have never traveled outside of the Midwest nor seen an ocean. People who have been raised to believe that a woman's place is in a school or a hospital under the management of a male superior, or on an assembly line, a la Roseanne back in the day, again under the management of a male superior (why can't they at least look like George Clooney?) People who are taught from day one to look no further than the community approved holy book so that they are guaranteed paradise post physical death. People who cling to very traditional, community approved ideals, who aren't having any of your diversity or your worldliness or anything that could possibly cause them not to live out their dream of four-wheeling, fishing, and Friday night lights or their ability to watch The Apprentice on a 70 inch flat screen they are renting to own in their doublewide on 5 acres with a pond and spotty internet access.

I've had conversations with those people my entire life. I can give you every reason under the sun they have for supporting right wing policy. Here's a good one: "let him do his job, he's doing way better than that dam n*gger." Now tell me again how I should be honest with myself about why Trump won??? I am more than happy to listen and try to understand what i so clearly do not.

I don't hate Hillary. I voted for her in the primaries and the general election. Like you, I felt she was the most qualified person to be our president.

- I don't like the fact that she didn't have the skill to appeal to those people who maybe don't have the gumption to pick a candidate based on their political prowess. There ARE people out there who will pick a candidate based solely on how they relate to them on some level, be it their hair, clothes, smile, friendliness, etc. This is a fact. Do I like that fact? No. Actually, I hate it. But this is a truth in our country. A skilled POTUS candidate should have the ability to appeal to both the superficial crowd and the policy loving crowd, don't you think? This is all that I am saying. If you put all of your eggs in one basket, the "I got skills" basket when you live in such a superficial country, things won't work out for you. Again, I will clarify, I don't like it, I don't make the rules, I am just stating reality.

- To further elaborate: I hate the fact that she didn't have the skill to appeal to the superficial crowd because it cost us the election! The people who voted for Trump, connected to him in some way OR they disconnected from her in some way. Very simple. We heard a lot of "he was an honest, straight shooter" simply because he shot his mouth off. People believed in him. Yes, he is good at marketing in a world that is gobbling up marketing.

-The DNC ****ed over Bernie for Hillary and it's my gut feeling that she was owed a favor or was in on it somehow. It is also my feeling that if Bernie had won the primaries, he would be president. He would have inspired people to come out and vote for him...I think a lot of Trump voters would have voted for Bernie.

- Hillary left Bernie's people supporters hanging. The largest voter population in the country and she didn't scoop them up like her presidency depended on it? When will people stop marginalizing the milennials?

- Hillary coming out now... with her "movement" is just salt in a very tender wound. I wanted her to be president. I think all of us are living in this frightening world under the Trump regime. Then she comes out with this book and it feels like she's capitalizing on people's pain. That's my POV. Other candidates just go away, no? When I see her now, convinced that she should be around, I'm angry. I don't hate her, but I want the necromaning of the 2016 election to end.

Monarch, you paint a vivid picture of your hometown. While I was reading your words, I was thinking that our hometowns couldn't be more polar opposite as mine was gray concrete, rife with gang violence and poverty. The interesting parallel is the resulting hatred in the white people. There was so much prejudice from them. They would just download it right into us as kids. When we moved, it took time for me to reprogram and I am glad...glad that I knew that shitty hate for what it was and knew exactly how to raise my kids better. I tell them all about my experiences growing up and the messages that were given to me as a kid. I am grateful that I can look at my kids and see that I did so much better. But, I am certain there are many Trump supporters smack dab in the middle of one of the most liberal areas of California for the very reason you cited...racial prejudice.

I believe there are more complex reasons that others voted for him too. I don't want to be blind to those more nuanced reasons. I don't want to say that all of his voters are bigots and women haters and that's why they voted for him. I won't take this to the lowest common denominator. That would make me like those people, small minded and prejudiced.

I'm not certain I am expressing myself in the most perfect way. To be quite honest, I'm not looking to have my words picked apart by a group of women who so obviously support Hillary to the bitter end. I do not. I don't feel she was screwed out of this election. I feel she made some gargantuan mistakes that cost her this election. It would be cool if we all could learn from them, I guess. I'm not going to make excuses for her. I hate having Trump as my president much more than most anyone, considering not a day goes by where my oldest son and I exchange "I miss Obama" textls or I look up "still my president" t-shirts...

So, yeah.. I hope I've clarified and if I haven't, that's all I got.

 

[monarch64]

HC, I hear what you're saying. I really do. And honestly I feel I've moved on from "necromaning" the last election, and from HRC's mistakes. My biggest issue with ALL of this is the lack of women in power. What I take from the last campaign and election season is that our country's population needs to focus on making sure our girls and young women get involved in politics and we need to assure them that they have every right to represent us, on EVERY level, as men. I mean is it not effing ridiculous that every single president has been male? I am so ashamed of being American sometimes it is painful.

That said, I have been putting my money where my mouth is with my daughter since she was a couple months old and met one of our state Congress members. She's been learning states and capitals since she was old enough to sit at a table, same with all former POTUS. Too bad every single one of them was a dude, huh? I am not indoctrinating her, but I want her to understand the importance and meaning of being a citizen of this country and the responsibility we all have as voters. And obviously I wouldn't be mad if she ran for office someday.

 

[monarch64]

I think we need to move "VAGINA" up on the list to #1. Because god forbid a confident and competent woman have the AUDACITY to say her opinions and be in the public eye. rollroll

What if we just revised the list to one word: WITCHCRAFT.

 

[Calliecake]

House Cat, I guess where I differ is everyone knew damn well Trump was a LIAR. There were reports on news programs daily about all the lies he told while he was campaigning. His base didn't care about facts. They knew he had no policies or plans for the country. If he had plans he would have been saying what he was going to do. Any fool can say they are going to make America great. It's a whole different story when you have to back that up with policies that will actually make that happen. We live in a free society. Do people with a brain actually think his wall would keep terriorists from entering our country. Trump supporters heard his message loud and clear that he wanted to make America white again, where white males rule and everyone else is second class citizens. Some of my family members knew exactly what Trump wanted and were more than happy to vote for him. These same people claim to be wonderful christians.

How Trump received 52% of the white women vote still angers me. Could these women not see how Trump would be affecting their daughters futures? I guess I should not have been too surprised after reading some of the responses here when Pence said he would never have dinner with a woman of the opposite sex. This administration is trying to remove years of progress women have worked so hard for. It makes me sick.

 

[Tekate]

Callie, I feel angry at young women, millenials, and slackers. They don't remember what it was like in the 50s and 60s, 70s, 80s, equality? my derriere. My first jobs had men harassing me daily, pulling my bra strap, being viewed as "she can't do that", truly a sexual object. Imagine today, a manager at IBM comes into your office as you are desperately trying to get your work done and continue to learn how the system works and how GML works etc.. so this manager comes in daily and rubs your shoulders and back gives you a 'massage' and he says "I do this to all the hardworking people (women that is)" I would think most young women today would go to HR and their manager and sue etc.. back then, I was afraid I would be fired, I needed the job, I wanted to make money, so I took garbage from managers, sexual innuendo... I could go on and on. It was sickening.

So we segue 40 years and now young women don't see why it was so important that Clinton was running, her background, her toughness, it wasn't relatable. Makes me sad.. I worked so hard to be feminine and strong, it was crazy. Clinton was a leader and experienced many derogatory remarks in her life.

So we have one of the aholes that would have harassed me I"m sure in the 70s and 80s supported by younger women as he was relatable to millenial women and other women and I it seems to women my age. I have no idea why, he's a pig.

I have several friends who's daughters/DILs have just given birth to girls in the last 4 years, preferred I say things like "Hello to the 4 year old, and to the mom's of infants to say "lucky you!" or "do you find feeding hard".. stuff like that. We encourage our girls to think 'beauty' is the most important. I was impressed and learned from them.

Clinton remembers my time (as it was hers).. I read more remarks about her looks than I had ever for a male candidate.

To me Sanders didn't have a chance with older voters, because he wasn't telling how he was going to pay for all the free school and healthcare, I'm for this also, but I couldn't really discern what he was going to pay for all the free programs. So Bernie wasn't relatable to me, he was never a democrat and I found his joining my party of over 40 years self serving, also I'm a NYer, I lived in the south Bronx, I know loud and he came across as toooo angry for me, and I suppose I'm angry

peace.

House Cat, I guess where I differ is everyone knew damn well Trump was a LIAR. There were reports on news programs daily about all the lies he told while he was campaigning. His base didn't care about facts. They knew he had no policies or plans for the country. If he had plans he would have been saying what he was going to do. Any fool can say they are going to make America great. It's a whole different story when you have to back that up with policies that will actually make that happen. We live in a free society. Do people with a brain actually think his wall would keep terriorists from entering our country. Trump supporters heard his message loud and clear that he wanted to make America white again, where white males rule and everyone else is second class citizens. Some of my family members knew exactly what Trump wanted and were more than happy to vote for him. These same people claim to be wonderful christians.

How Trump received 52% of the white women vote still angers me. Could these women not see how Trump would be affecting their daughters futures? I guess I should not have been too surprised after reading some of the responses here when Pence said he would never have dinner with a woman of the opposite sex. This administration is trying to remove years of progress women have worked so hard for. It makes me sick.

 

[t-c]

@House Cat why is it that because we (I) don't agree with your bashing on HRC (I've tried to come up with another word besides "bashing" but I think it is apt) that you think we (I) are (am) blinded to her flaws?

You've heaped all blame for our current ****ed up situation on Hillary. Because she didn't get the white woman vote, the Millenial vote, the disaffected vote, the deplorable vote, the Russian vote, because she just . didn't . INSPIRE! Yet you completely absolve the American voters of their dereliction (40% of eligible voters didn't vote; this has been the case for decades).

Anyone with a brain cell knew this election mattered, but they couldn't be bothered because, well, darn it, HRC just wasn't inspiring enough. So it didn't matter that they would abandon the country to a baffoon, noooo, they wanted someone who set their loins on fire! It didn't matter that this same attitude ****ed us over 16 years ago, of course not. ("Gore is just like W" people said, so they voted for Nader. 3 wars and two recessions later, this argument was trotted out again in 2016. Talk about idiotic.)

The citizens of this country are the ones responsible for where we are. If a large chunk of the electorate is so exploitable that people actually believed that there was a child **** ring being run in the basement of a pizza place that had no basement, then shame on us.

HRC has taken responsibility for her part:

"I go back over my own shortcomings and the mistakes we made. I take responsibility for all of them. You can blame the data, blame the message, blame anything you want -- but I was the candidate. It was my campaign. Those were my decisions."

--Hillary Clinton, What Happened

When is every one else going to take responsibility for theirs? People should think then vote -- it's for the good of the country.

Callie, I feel angry at young women, millenials, and slackers. They don't remember what it was like in the 50s and 60s, 70s, 80s, equality? my derriere. My first jobs had men harassing me daily, pulling my bra strap, being viewed as "she can't do that", truly a sexual object. Imagine today, a manager at IBM comes into your office as you are desperately trying to get your work done and continue to learn how the system works and how GML works etc.. so this manager comes in daily and rubs your shoulders and back gives you a 'massage' and he says "I do this to all the hardworking people (women that is)" I would think most young women today would go to HR and their manager and sue etc.. back then, I was afraid I would be fired, I needed the job, I wanted to make money, so I took garbage from managers, sexual innuendo... I could go on and on. It was sickening.

So we segue 40 years and now young women don't see why it was so important that Clinton was running, her background, her toughness, it wasn't relatable. Makes me sad.. I worked so hard to be feminine and strong, it was crazy. Clinton was a leader and experienced many derogatory remarks in her life.

So we have one of the aholes that would have harassed me I"m sure in the 70s and 80s supported by younger women as he was relatable to millenial women and other women and I it seems to women my age. I have no idea why, he's a pig.

I have several friends who's daughters/DILs have just given birth to girls in the last 4 years, preferred I say things like "Hello to the 4 year old, and to the mom's of infants to say "lucky you!" or "do you find feeding hard".. stuff like that. We encourage our girls to think 'beauty' is the most important. I was impressed and learned from them.

Clinton remembers my time (as it was hers).. I read more remarks about her looks than I had ever for a male candidate.

To me Sanders didn't have a chance with older voters, because he wasn't telling how he was going to pay for all the free school and healthcare, I'm for this also, but I couldn't really discern what he was going to pay for all the free programs. So Bernie wasn't relatable to me, he was never a democrat and I found his joining my party of over 40 years self serving, also I'm a NYer, I lived in the south Bronx, I know loud and he came across as toooo angry for me, and I suppose I'm angry

peace.

Well, they're beginning to roll back some regulations to support equal pay, so the young ladies may experience some of what it was like back then after all.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Trump supporters heard his message loud and clear that he wanted to make America white again, where white males rule and everyone else is second class citizens. Some of my family members knew exactly what Trump wanted and were more than happy to vote for him. These same people claim to be wonderful christians.

Oh really ?, Obama doesn't look white to me, and w/o white votes he wouldn't have become POTUS.

 

[monarch64]

LOL. 44/45 POTUS = WHITE DUDE. Keep trying, DF.

 

[Dancing Fire]

LOL. 44/45 POTUS = WHITE DUDE. Keep trying, DF.

And Asian = 0...

 

[House Cat]

@House Cat why is it that because we (I) don't agree with your bashing on HRC (I've tried to come up with another word besides "bashing" but I think it is apt) that you think we (I) are (am) blinded to her flaws?

You've heaped all blame for our current ****ed up situation on Hillary. Because she didn't get the white woman vote, the Millenial vote, the disaffected vote, the deplorable vote, the Russian vote, because she just . didn't . INSPIRE! Yet you completely absolve the American voters of their dereliction (40% of eligible voters didn't vote; this has been the case for decades).

Anyone with a brain cell knew this election mattered, but they couldn't be bothered because, well, darn it, HRC just wasn't inspiring enough. So it didn't matter that they would abandon the country to a baffoon, noooo, they wanted someone who set their loins on fire! It didn't matter that this same attitude ****ed us over 16 years ago, of course not. ("Gore is just like W" people said, so they voted for Nader. 3 wars and two recessions later, this argument was trotted out again in 2016. Talk about idiotic.)

The citizens of this country are the ones responsible for where we are. If a large chunk of the electorate is so exploitable that people actually believed that there was a child **** ring being run in the basement of a pizza place that had no basement, then shame on us.

HRC has taken responsibility for her part:

When is every one else going to take responsibility for theirs? People should think then vote -- it's for the good of the country.



Well, they're beginning to roll back some regulations to support equal pay, so the young ladies may experience some of what it was like back then after all.

You put words into my mouth in order to serve your post. I didn't absolve the voters who chose to remain uninformed. I simply stated that as a reality of the world that we live in, we have uninformed voters. I actually said I didn't like that fact..twice...I clarified it to be clear. Did you miss that?

Sigh.

You guys take care. I'm tired.

 

[monarch64]

And Asian = 0...

To elect an Asian president would require Americans admitting there are other countries.

 

[Dancing Fire]

To elect an Asian president would require Americans admitting there are other countries.

Or deport all the whites in this country. Now I sound like a Politically Correct liberal ...

 

[arkieb1]

We all have to admit there is a huge amount of blame on both sides, sure Trump ran a scare campaign against HC that a lot of the general public bought into but, (and here's the but) she had enough going against her that they were in fact able to do that successfully and there is a onus of blame on her own party for not recognising how unpopular she was. As a feminist I would like to think that wasn't purely because she was a woman, it was because she was essentially viewed as a dishonest non likeable woman.

However, I would like to add I'm sure Trump has done, is doing, and is going to do things that are 100% worse than she has or would have done, and that is why he obviously too is IMHO a completely unacceptable choice.

I see her as the lesser of the two evils, a few of you out there see Trump as the lesser of the two evils. I think the US should get their s@*% together and actually find some decent candidates worthy of the role.

 

[t-c]

You put words into my mouth in order to serve your post. I didn't absolve the voters who chose to remain uninformed. I simply stated that as a reality of the world that we live in, we have uninformed voters. I actually said I didn't like that fact..twice...I clarified it to be clear. Did you miss that?

Sigh.

You guys take care. I'm tired.

I certainly saw no doling out of responsibility to the voters, simply a statement of fact that we have low-information ones. But you published a screed on HRC's shortcomings, said it's her fault we are in the situation we're in, and told her to essentially STFU. It's no wonder I thought you were blaming everything on HRC.