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Date: 8/13/2009 10:49:51 PM
Author: KimberlyH
Not nearly as disturbing as the wife beaters, illegal gun carriers, drug abusers, DUI recievers and other horrific things that many NFL players are.

Yes, let's all please remember he was using "bait" dogs (non pit-bull) for training. Then drowning, electrocuting, and hanging the fighting dogs if they didn't perform well.


He mine as well been torturing babies and toddlers - all equally innocent.


This makes me ILL. He should be cleaning the floors of a rest-area bathroom with his tongue for a living, not playing for the NFL.




 
Date: 8/14/2009 12:49:03 AM
Author: vip0802
i agree with the fact that he''s a monster and a low-life...what he did was sickening. unfortunately and understandably with a franchise like the NFL, talent trumps trouble. his reinstatement just means i have another reason to dis-like the Eagles.

what makes me mad is when people say Vick was treated ''un-justly'' compared to Donte Stallworth''s sentencing. for one, DS was completely truthful, upfront and assumed all responsibility about his drunk-driving situation. Vick on the other hand, basically denied his charges at first and said, ''it''s unfortunate that i have to take the heat''. Vick was sentenced to 23 months and served 19. DS served a 30-day jail sentence, but what most people don''t realize is that he must also serve 2 years of house arrest, plus 8 years of probation. DS even told the judge that he hopes to get involved in drunken-driving education programs. i haven''t heard Vick offering to do any kind of community service or advocacy for the ASPCA or Humane Society.
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also, Vick was quoted as saying, ''When it all boils down, people will try to take advantage of you and leave you out to dry. Lesson learned for me.”. i''m hoping that''s not the only lesson he learned from all of this. i don''t think it''s right for me to say he doesn''t ''deserve'' to be in the NFL though...he does have the right to make a living. like jet2ks said, i hope he does use his spotlight wisely and will change for the better.
I am just as horrified at what he did as you are, but to be fair he has already gotten involved with the humane society to talk to at risk inner city youths about dog fighting so your assessment isn''t really true. Maybe I hear more about this stuff because I live in VA? Now to me words don''t mean much so I don''t put as much weight into that sort of thing as you do but I will be more interested in how he acts in the next 10 years. I used to really like him and I thought Marcus was the screw up but I was obviously wrong. I hope he really has changed but we shall see.

http://www.sacbee.com/846/story/2105529.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-20398-Atlanta-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m8d13-Michael-Vick--Charity-work-with-the-humane-society-helped-land-a-spot-with-the-Philadelphia-Eagles
 
I''m thoroughly disgusted. I don''t follow any teams or care about about sports, but I know that other players such as Pete Rose have been banned from their games and kicked out of the hall of fame for far less serious offenses.

This was my post in the other thread:

As if the air in Philadelphia wasn''t polluted enough already.....now it will get more polluted by that piece of guano.

I don''t think child abusers or animal abusers are ever cured.


Lock up your pets, everybody.


I hope that team never wins another game and has to go out of business.

 
I was so disturbed to hear this. I''m sickened to think that teams are willing to endorse someone who is a convicted animal abuser. I''m sorry, but anyone who is capable of going after a defenseless animal is capable of anything, and needs to be locked up.
 
We are free to agree to disagree. I see dog fighting as similar to bull and cock fighting, both acceptable in many cultures. I am repulsed by the thought of any type animal fighting, it''s not something I would partake in or advocate for (hell, I can''t even watch a rodeo I find them so repulsive and upsetting) but humans have been pitting animals against one another since the Roman times. As kat said, we have a system in place, he paid his dues and has the right to re-enter society and return to his career if they''ll have him; the Eagles have decided he is worth the risk and that is their right as a private entity.
 
Date: 8/14/2009 1:43:29 AM
Author: DMBFiredancer

Date: 8/14/2009 12:52:04 AM
Author: Lynnie
Ugh. I *used* to be an Eagles fan... I can''t believe it - the gall of the NFL, and the Eagles. I hope my fellow Philadelphians boo him outta the stadium. He won''t receive a warm welcome here. I''d put money on it.


Until he starts winning games for you - then he''ll be your ''top dog'' ;)

Just playing. I am a HUGE animal lover and was disgusted at first by him being let back into the NFL, but then I was reminded that any person who is released from prison is allowed to seek and hold employment. That was his job - yes its sad that it is so high profile BUT......HOPEFULLY through all this it will help kids who see him as a role model to gain awareness of the issue and steer them in the right direction. HOPEFULLY Vick will use this opportunity to donate his time and money to raise awareness.
LOLLOL top dog! I hope you''re right about him donating his time & money. DH is watching ESPN now... supposedly, they brought in Vick as a backup for McNabb
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According to a news poll, 76% of Philly fans are furious, 11% thrilled, 7% intrigued, 3% laughing, 2 % sad and 1% bored.
News link to fan reaction: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/NATLMichael-Vick-Signs-Two-Year-Deal-with-Eagles-53183937.html
 
It is disgusting to me, but DH is hopeful that MV as a spokesperson against animal cruelty and professional player will help educate the public.
 
Date: 8/14/2009 12:44:57 AM
Author: katamari
What is the point of having a criminal justice system or institutionalized punishments if you aren''t forgiven once they are served? I don''t think I would choose to hang out with him, but I also think he should be able to earn a living.

This was my first thought, as well. And I love animals as much as the next girl.
 
Yes he has the right to return to society after serving time. But who says he has to return to his former high paying, high profile, high life job?
The Philadelphia Eagles, that''s who.
Shame on them.
 
Date: 8/13/2009 11:45:10 PM
Author: Clairitek

Date: 8/13/2009 11:31:37 PM
Author: jet2ks
I''m withholding my vote for now. Not because I''m waiting to see how well he plays, but because I am waiting to see what he will do with the platform being an NFL player allows. If he uses the high public profile to show he has truly changed and speak out against cruelties like what he committed, his reinstatement will be a good thing. It would show that people truly can change for the better. I like that Tony Dungy is advising and working with Vick now, Dungy is one of the highest character people that has ever worked in the NFL and hopefully some of that character will rub off. If, on the other hand, Michael Vick blows the opportunity, then Goodell can ban him for life and I''ll cheer.

I''m with you on this one.

I loved Michael Vick as a QB before all of this stuff came to light. I wasn''t a Falcons fan, but I was a Michael Vick fan (admittedly, I never got rid of his old Falcons jersey sitting in my closet). I think he was totally electrifying at his best. I don''t, in any way, condone his behavior but I am very interested to see how he will use this opportunity.
Thritto. I have been keeping an interested eye on the whole situation for the last few weeks. I was hoping he would sign on somewhere, but didn''t want it to be with my team (Ravens) because I was worried about the media/fan backlash. Vick has to know this is going to be a difficult path for him to travel, dealing with negative attitude from the fanbase (especially since Philly fans aren''t known for being tame). I sincerely hope he will make something positive out of this experience and his place in the spotlight.
 
He was locked up. He served his time, don''t we all deserve a second chance/redemption?

That being said, I think what he did was vile and disgusting and I wouldn''t have hired him. I''m not a fan, and I could care less if we never hear from him again.

BUT this is a business and this is what he does for a living. I personally DON''T think athletes are or should be role models, and most often they aren''t. If you made a mistake and served the time that the legal system doled out to you, whose to say what type of job you are "allowed" to have? Is it more that we are disturbed at the amount of money he does/could make, rather than the fact that his job is playing football?

Anyways, I will be interested to see what he does next and how he acts.

Also, apparently Andy Reid (coach of Eagles) has two sons that have had or still have serious drug addictions and he apparently believes in giving people a second chance. I do admire that.
 
Date: 8/14/2009 12:44:57 AM
Author: katamari
What is the point of having a criminal justice system or institutionalized punishments if you aren''t forgiven once they are served? I don''t think I would choose to hang out with him, but I also think he should be able to earn a living.
Another ditto.
 
Second chances are all well and good. It's a shame that the animals he tortured and killed aren't going to get one.
 
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Date: 8/14/2009 11:11:51 AM
Author: KimberlyH
We are free to agree to disagree. I see dog fighting as similar to bull and cock fighting, both acceptable in many cultures. I am repulsed by the thought of any type animal fighting, it''s not something I would partake in or advocate for (hell, I can''t even watch a rodeo I find them so repulsive and upsetting) but humans have been pitting animals against one another since the Roman times. As kat said, we have a system in place, he paid his dues and has the right to re-enter society and return to his career if they''ll have him; the Eagles have decided he is worth the risk and that is their right as a private entity.
I''m with you Kim. I can''t believe someone said what he did is worse than what you listed, which includes wife beating.

I think he''s pathetic, but he went to jail and did his time. Only time will tell if he''s learned anything.
 
I bought this Tshirt



JUSTICE IS SOMEONE
SHOVING A CATTLE
PROD UP MICHAEL
VICK'S ASS AND
BEATING THE SHIT
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LOSES OR
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I don''t expect to see anyone who has express their total disgust over this matter to change their minds but I wanted to share this link with you. Its a story on ESPN.com with a short press conference blurb from Vick.

As a sports fan for many years I''ve watched many scripted and totally not heart-felt "apologies" from professional athletes after they''ve done something wrong. To me, the words he spoke at this press conference seemed sincere and from the heart, not from some script his publicist gave him. I know time will tell if the lessons hes learned will stick and if he can make a positive impact.
 
Date: 8/14/2009 1:06:50 PM
Author: VegasAngel

Date: 8/14/2009 12:44:57 AM
Author: katamari
What is the point of having a criminal justice system or institutionalized punishments if you aren''t forgiven once they are served? I don''t think I would choose to hang out with him, but I also think he should be able to earn a living.
Another ditto.

I think what makes our country so great is that we all have the opportunity for redemption and change. I don''t condone what he did, but I believe people have the capacity for change. What he does with his life from this point forward won''t erase his past but will determine whether he has truly learned from his past and changed.
 
This makes me livid. If you go to JAIL, you should not be allowed to play professional sports afterwards, in my opinion. *If* it''s allowed (and in this case it is), you should have to give up an incredible amount of your salary and donate it (in this case, to the ASPCA, the Animal Rescue League, or a similar organization). Just my opinion.
 
Date: 8/14/2009 12:28:07 PM
Author: Starset Princess
Yes he has the right to return to society after serving time. But who says he has to return to his former high paying, high profile, high life job?

The Philadelphia Eagles, that''s who.

Shame on them.

I agree SP!
 
Such pre-meditated torture, repeated on 47 different subjects, and over a considerable period of time, and we''re expected to believe he''s turned over a new leaf in two years?

Give me a break.
 
Football is his job what difference does his salary make? He was picked up after his sentence because they wanted him.
 
I mean, really. We''re not talking credit card fraud here. Has everyone seen the pictures of the mutilated dogs? Do people really think this man is a suitable sporting role model? Or is on-field performance all that counts these days?
 
So he should work at Walmart for example the rest of his life or what?
 
What he did was appaling. Torturing living, feeling, social beings is IMHO worse than offenses committed by other athletes mentioned up-thread. He has his second chance, but unfortunately the animals he killed and tortured don't. All I heard in his press conference was about HIM, how he made a mistake, and how what he did was pointless. It was unspeakably cruel, not pointless.

He paid his debt to society, yes, and he can legally pursue employment, and if the NFL wants him, it's their right to take him back. But none of that makes his going back to his old life and career morally right, from my point of view. Perhaps if he gave a substantial chunk of his salary to charities that help animals I might be supportive, since some good game out of this.
 
All sports leagues-Is that what you call them? need to crack down on players. If they let one trouble maker back in they wind up letting them all back. They need to start enforcing codes of conduct with players.
 
Date: 8/14/2009 2:41:19 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 8/14/2009 11:11:51 AM
Author: KimberlyH
We are free to agree to disagree. I see dog fighting as similar to bull and cock fighting, both acceptable in many cultures. I am repulsed by the thought of any type animal fighting, it''s not something I would partake in or advocate for (hell, I can''t even watch a rodeo I find them so repulsive and upsetting) but humans have been pitting animals against one another since the Roman times. As kat said, we have a system in place, he paid his dues and has the right to re-enter society and return to his career if they''ll have him; the Eagles have decided he is worth the risk and that is their right as a private entity.
I''m with you Kim. I can''t believe someone said what he did is worse than what you listed, which includes wife beating.

I think he''s pathetic, but he went to jail and did his time. Only time will tell if he''s learned anything.
+1.

Not a fan of his or his actions, but he''s done his time and if the Eagles wanted him, that''s their right.
 
Seen on a sign: Hide your Beagle - Vick''s an Eagle
 
Date: 8/14/2009 5:41:27 PM
Author: Madam Bijoux
Seen on a sign: Hide your Beagle - Vick''s an Eagle
That is funny.

I think Vick dog chew toys are pretty funny. Funny to think about dogs biting the heck out of them.
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Date: 8/14/2009 12:55:43 PM
Author: ChinaCat
He was locked up. He served his time, don''t we all deserve a second chance/redemption?

That being said, I think what he did was vile and disgusting and I wouldn''t have hired him. I''m not a fan, and I could care less if we never hear from him again.

BUT this is a business and this is what he does for a living. I personally DON''T think athletes are or should be role models, and most often they aren''t. If you made a mistake and served the time that the legal system doled out to you, whose to say what type of job you are ''allowed'' to have? Is it more that we are disturbed at the amount of money he does/could make, rather than the fact that his job is playing football?

Anyways, I will be interested to see what he does next and how he acts.

Also, apparently Andy Reid (coach of Eagles) has two sons that have had or still have serious drug addictions and he apparently believes in giving people a second chance. I do admire that.
This is very true,, I don''t like what he did ONE BIT and feel awful when I think about those poor animals.. but Andy Reid
said he followed this situation since it was close to home ( regarding his sons)
MV is going to be donating his time, money, and cause to the Humane Society. Hopefully the best out of this will be
teaching the youth and people involved in this crime how truly awful dog fighting is.
THIS is the USA where we do our time and try to pay our debt to society. I believe in second chances. That is what makes us human. I believe he is truly sorry and fight for the cause to stop this.
I do not think he will go on ABUSING ANIMALS like someone said.
I hope he helps the HUMANE SOCIETY as it is part of his probation and the money he makes some will go to the welfare of animals.
 
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