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takingtheplung

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I am having a very hard time finding a diamond in the 1.3 - 1.4 range with perfect angles and cuts. One of the dealers I am working with swears to me that his 1.28 is as perfect as they come and would easily qualify for an AGS 0.

What are your thoughts?

Price $9,000
Price Per Carat $7,031
HCA Score 1.5
Report GIA
Cut Excellent
Carat 1.28
colour G
clarity Vs2
Depth % 61.2
Table % 56
Crown Angle 35
Crown % 15.5
Star
Pavilion Angle 40.8
Pavillion % 43
Girdle M
Measurements 6.99 - 7.06 X 4.30
Polish Excellent
Symmetry Excellent
Fluorescence none
 
In nearly all cases, there is more data one might wish for in order to quantify how perfectly cut a diamond is if it can''t be seen in person. The dealer sounds as if he is telling you the truth as he best knows it. The numbers you have sound very nice. You can find other slightly different cuts that also may prove as good or possibly a tiny bit better, but without seeing the result of how all this comes together, an expert can only guess this is a very nicely cut diamond......maybe a superb one.
 
Thanks David - I understand where you are coming from and you need to see the diamond to truely know but it sounds from your response it would be a sound decision to purchase this diamond. There is a high probability this diamond will sparkle?

This is another diamond I was considering from another dealer with lower costs and an excellent HCA rating but others are saying the first diamond is a much better diamond.

Price $8,700
Price Per Carat $6,124
HCA Score 1.6
Report GIA
Cut Excellent
Carat 1.4
colour H
clarity Vs2
Depth % 62.2
Table % 55
Crown Angle 35
Crown % 15.5
Star
Pavilion Angle 40.8
Pavillion % 43%
Girdle Thn - Sltly Thk
Measurements 7.12 - 7.21 X 4.46
Polish Excellent
Symmetry Very Good
Fluorescence none
 
Do you have IS or ASET images for either?
Ever h&a images would help.
 
What happened to the AGS0 the jeweler was bringing in?
 
I know I am going completely in circles. The rock won''t be in till tomorrow. They had a 1.29 which I was really excited about but when she called back it was gone. she is brining in a 1.20 AGS 0 G VVs2 $10,850. As soon as I have all the measurements and I have seen it I will post but I was dissapointed when the 1.29 got away. 1.2 is smaller than what I want.

The reason I posted the 1.28 GSA again was because my dealer swears that rock is extremely well put together and would be AGS 0 grade. It is in line with what you have said all along and I am getting more serious about it. But for some reason I feel I can do better.. I don''t know if I am just crazy though.

Hopefully by Friday I have a very good idea of all the stones avaialble to me from the four stores and will narrow that down. Then I need to consider the internet. But if I can''t see the stone, it seems to go against everything everyone has said on here. you need to see the stone.

Let me ask you this.. If you had 10K -11K to spend on a rock and I told you to pick out any rock you want online.. What one would you chose.
 
OK, let me ask you this. What is the absolute, top price you''d pay?

I''ll look one more time, and then give you my thoughts, for the 2 cents they''re worth.
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lets say 11K total for the diamond alone. Pick one or two and tell me why if you had 11K you would chose this particualr diamond.

The reason why I am considering that other 1.28 just to clarify further is becauase I got really excited about that other 1.29 AGS 0 and it dawned on me that I had a 1.28 available to me.. I don''t know why I am not as excited about that diamond.

But I am curious as to what you would come back with.
 
Ok, first I''ll list what I found.

Size seems important to you (more on that later), so if you wanted to try and get the absolute biggest in budget, this would be my pick. 2 % off with PS discount also. However, eyecleanliess would definitely need to be checked out. If it came back with a great report, you have over 1.5 cts. for under your top dollar.
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If that didn''t check out, and you could somehow squeeze $500 more into the budget, this would be my second attempt. Again, you would need to check on eyecleanliness.

Now, assuming neither of those were chosen for whatever reason, these would be my pick in the range you''re looking at now.

This one, or, this one. Either will be gorgeous, it''s a matter of color preference more than anything else. Up to you.


Now, as for the ones you are looking at, an AGS0 is going to be a great diamond. However, I personally would not pay for VVS2 clarity. It''s just overkill, and money that could go toward size.

The 1.28 GIA stone, as I said before, is probably lovely. It''s got good numbers. But, I can''t swear to it, because we don''t have pics or a Sarin to go by. At least with AGS0, you are basically assured a pretty stone.

As for the difference in size, within this range you''re looking at, when the diamond is set (and the setting can help make the diamond "pop", aka look bigger), you aren''t going to see the difference between a 1.20 and a 1.29. It just shouldn''t be an issue. (we have enough of those!)
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I hope this helped, I dunno. lol
 
Wow... they both look like great stones. So great that you might be missing the forest for the trees.

Either of the ones you posted are going to be magnificent stones with great light return. The second one''s symmetry is a little off, so if you are into perfection, it might not be mind-clean if you''re a perfectionist. But darn, both those stones have lovely numbers. Each are lovely stones.
 
Wow - round of applause to Ellen for that post. I have a home work assignment!

I am going to seriously consider these online purchases. It is so hard to find exactly what I want from the local dealers.

What is a Sarin? Is there a way to look that up online by any chance? I have the GIA number for it.
 
Date: 10/4/2007 9:05:58 AM
Author: takingtheplung

Wow - round of applause to Ellen for that post. I have a home work assignment!
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Date: 10/4/2007 9:05:58 AM
Author: takingtheplung

I am going to seriously consider these online purchases. It is so hard to find exactly what I want from the local dealers.
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it''s always good to keep your options open.
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Date: 10/4/2007 9:05:58 AM
Author: takingtheplung

What is a Sarin? Is there a way to look that up online by any chance? I have the GIA number for it.
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a sarin is the (brand name) of a report on the measurements of the stone. sometimes the diamond has been run through the sarin and the info is posted on a dealers site. gia does post the angles and measurements on newer reports, so you can get that info on the gia website using the ''report check'' feature.
 
Belle,

I have the GIA report and the GIA report number. Is there a place I can go to look up additional info about a particular diamond?
 
ok thanks.. I was just looking at that. This is the GIA number and the carat weight is 1.28. Not sure if this gives any additiional info you don''t already have.

14470322
1.28

http://www.gia.edu/reportcheck/
 
I just saw my latest stone. 1.208 AGS 0. It was amazing and really had beautiful colors and lines. I only wish it wasn''t a VVS2. I feel I am paying for clarity I don''t need. I will have to seriously consider this stone though. (I am kind of shocked though, the HCA score is 3)

What do the experts think of these measurements?

Price 10,800
Price Per Carat $9,000
HCA Score - 3
Report AGS
Cut AGS 0
Carat 1.208
colour G
clarity VVS2
Depth % 61.2
Table % 56
Crown Angle 34.3
Crown % ?
Star
Pavilion Angle 41.2
Pavillion % ?
Girdle
Measurements 6.89 - 6.92 x 4.23
Polish Ideal
Symmetry Ideal
Fluorescence Ideal
 
Was it an AGS0 report that grades light performance? If so, then I guess you''re fine.

If the grading report doesn''t have a light performance grade on it, I''d probably look for something else as I''d personally prefer a tighter crown/pavilion relationship than the 1.20 has.

The HCA dinged the score on this stone because of the pavilion depth.
 
Thanks for that feedback. That is good to know. I really liked the stone but I was leaning against not buying it because of the VVS2 anyway.

There was no light score on the certificate. If I have the AGS grade number can I look it up somewhere? Or is this a new thing? The Cert is from 2004? Is that a bad sign too?
 
It''s not that "old certs" are bad, per se. It just means they weren''t considering/measuring light performance as a factor of earning the 0 grade, and now they do.

If you are working with an AGS0 report that doens''t have light performance grading reflected, then it''s a good idea to focus more intently on the crown/pavilion relationship.
 
taking, I want to apologize, as I feel partly responsible for you ending up with an older grading report. I should have specified "with the light performance grade". However, your jeweler knows they've been grading this way for a while now, and should have disclosed it was older, as they are obviously not the same things, even though they're both AGS graded. So I'm sorry for that.

And again, the thing is, I've seen killer stones online with those angles, but whether the one you looked at is, no one knows for sure.

I'm not sure what you are thinking at this point, and whether you want to persue online, or stick to home, but I did have another thought. You could take that GIA 1.28 G VS2 to an independant appraiser and have them look at it, IF the jeweler would let you return it for a FULL REFUND (not store credit), if it did not get glowing reports.

Just a thought.
 

Ellen,


Good to hear from you again.. I looked at your rocks and I have discovered all these reports that online provides like the helium and sarin. Is that why you are so confident with online?


I am making one last push to find a rock in boston.. Now that I "think" I know what I want I literally called around the entire city looking for AGS 0 stones. I have three stores lined up starting with tonight to find me an AGS 0 1.25 or higher for around 10K. I will certainly be posting them once I know all the specs.


By the end of next week I should find the stone I want.. Luck for me my girl friend goes away for two nights :) I can look at the stones without sneaking around.


But I will still consider the stones you chose for me.. There in the mix.


thanks again for your help.. This is coming to an end soon!!

 
Date: 10/4/2007 5:04:51 PM
Author: takingtheplung

Ellen,



Good to hear from you again.. I looked at your rocks and I have discovered all these reports that online provides like the helium and sarin. Is that why you are so confident with online?



I am making one last push to find a rock in boston.. Now that I ''think'' I know what I want I literally called around the entire city looking for AGS 0 stones. I have three stores lined up starting with tonight to find me an AGS 0 1.25 or higher for around 10K. I will certainly be posting them once I know all the specs.



By the end of next week I should find the stone I want.. Luck for me my girl friend goes away for two nights :) I can look at the stones without sneaking around.



But I will still consider the stones you chose for me.. There in the mix.



thanks again for your help.. This is coming to an end soon!!

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Yes!

That is, I did a lot of homework to know what all those reports and pics mean.
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As I said before, I really did try to buy local, but for a variety of reasons, it just didn''t work out. And I was reeeally scared at first to buy online, but I went with a great company that was recommended to me, and they took very good care of me and I ended up with a killer stone. So, the second time around, it was a piece of cake.
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There are advantages to both, but you have to do what makes you feel most copmfortable, this is a huge, emotional expense. Which leads me to reminding you on these AGS stones, make sure you tell them you want the newer reports with 0 light performance gades.
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And you''re quite welcome, I don''t mind helping at all. Let me know how it goes!!
 
Here is my latest stone. I looked at two stones yesterday and I don''t know if it was the lighting or not but the G coloured stone jumped out at me as super super white. And this latest stone immediately said yellow. It was a huge turn off. Over all the measurements look good though. Still no light performance on the AGS Sheet?? This is a supposedly a 2007 report.

Price $8,700
Price Per Carat $6,960
HCA Score 0.7
Report AGS
Cut AGS 0
Carat 1.25
colour I
clarity Si1
Depth % 60.5
Table % 57.6
Crown Angle 33.2
Crown % 13.9
Star
Pavilion Angle 41
Pavillion % 43.3
Girdle 1.4 - 3.6
Measurements 6.97 - 7.0 x 4.22
Polish
Symmetry
Fluorescence negligable
 
haha...that information at the top of that page is outdated also.

On the new reports Immediatly under the cut grade is the clarity grade.

They still give you:

Light Performance: 0

Proportion factors: 0

Finish: 0

symmetry: ideal

Polish: Ideal


but it is not in the center of the report anymore. Several months ago they added a tab on the side of the report that you have to flip out. There they have the additional information listed. though for the record, if you have a new report and the cut grade is zero, that means that all of the information on the right hand tab has to be 0 as well, or else the cut grade would change accordingly.

You can find explanations of all of the AGS reports here

http://agslab.com/


What this really means is that you can get some AGS DQD's without the modern light performance grading. and you can get modern up-to-date DQD's with modern light performance grading and they can look like either the one Ellen linked you to or the one that I linked you to, depending on how recent it is.
 
Ellen,

This was excatly what I was looking for. I liked the 1.5''s you sent me but I really wanted perfect specs for the same price. I have put a deposit down on this 1.36. I spoke to Jonathan and it might be the diamond I go with. We''ll see what the local dealers come up with next week and prices.

Thanks again :)
 
Date: 10/5/2007 1:39:05 PM
Author: takingtheplung
Ellen,

This was excatly what I was looking for. I liked the 1.5''s you sent me but I really wanted perfect specs for the same price. I have put a deposit down on this 1.36. I spoke to Jonathan and it might be the diamond I go with. We''ll see what the local dealers come up with next week and prices.

Thanks again :)
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Did you forget to post a link? That would be a great size!


And you''re welcome! ;)
 
The one you linked.. I really like the colour and clarity, size and price. And everything I am hearing about this diamond is its as perfect as it gets.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3634/

Do you know where I can learn how to read the helium report? I would like to understand that better.. And I can''t read the sarin report because I don''t have the software. Does this report look good?
 
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