Lucere Price Question

[gatorfan]

Got a quote on a Lucere 1.35 carat E color and SI2 clarity depth 73.3 & Table 61 girdle is medium to very thick for $8000 is this a good price?

 

[valeria101]

This is a hard one... Lucere sellers do not disclose prices (I guess this is the makers' policy) unless you submit a customer inquiry. So, basically, only someone who bought a Lucere can answer this, and I am not one. As a rule of thumb, the price for these branded cuts falls in line with the price for ideal rounds with the same specs, or somewhat above.

From this perspective, the price you mention is not completely over the top. I would have one concern with this stone: given the step cut crown, SI2 many not mean "eye clean" - if this matters. For this matter, seeing is believing, so I hope you get to take a look before deciding on it, if this is an online buy.

Hope someone else can add more precision...

 

[Lucere]

It is true that the Lucere has a step cut crown however unlike Emerald cuts the pavillion is not step cut it is fashioned like the pavillion of a round. This gives the diamond superior fire and brilliance and also disguises SI2 imperfections. As a general rule of thumb with the Lucere if it is an SI2 Clarity grade you will NOT see the imperfections.

 

[Nicrez]

Lucere, perhaps you sell the stones, but any SI2 I have seen (even in rounds, which as we know are otpimally cut) have shown those SI2 inclusions to the naked eye. The question is, gator fan, do you feel that when you see it, it doesn't bother you? I personally, would never recommend an SI2, but it has to be seen to be believed. Almost any shaped stone does.

I have seen Luceres, and unlike the Flanders or the Flanders Brilliant, that DO display the depth and body of the stone more so than rounds, radiants and even some princesses, IF the inclusion is close to the crown. It's percisely that step cut on the table that is akin to the Asscher cut that will allow that. Pavillion cuts on the Lucere are shown against the Flanders on this thread:

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/are-flanders-and-lucere-the-same.5225/

let us know what you find when you see the stone!!! Good Luck!

 

[pricescope]

Adam/Lucere, welcome to the forum.

It is great when more experts from the industry are willing to share their expertise with consumers.

Don't be disappointed by a little harsh reception. It's just folks here usually demand more in depth explanations.

Could you please explain why SI2 inclusions that can be visible with a naked eye in round and other diamond shapes (at least from a side or bottom view) will be invisible in Lucere cut?

Please don't give up and stick around

 

[Nicrez]

yes, Lucere, if you are out there, please let us know more about the stones. They are an impressive cut, and a very lovely unique style. Sadly, there is not enough information on shaped (especially square) stones on the internet for people to gain interest or buy.

I have found it impossible to find dealers who sell Luceres readily, and if you do, or know people who do, maybe they can also benefit from Price Scope, if you consult with Leonid and see if you can become members as well.

We wish to hear from you soon!

 

[Lucere]

Firstly we need to establish a standard by which you are grading. Since all Lucere's are graded using GIA or AGS standards let's only talk using these standards of grading. They (the GIA) classify anything you can see with your naked eye (from a face up view) an I1 stone. I have yet to see a substantial number of SI2 graded stones that are eye visible. It is true that on a rare occasion a few stones slip through and SI2 grades may be visible to the naked eye by some people. This is because everyone has different eyesight some better than others but for the most part an SI2 grade is NOT eye visible and makes for a good price point stone. In truth grading is to a large extent a subjective analysis. What may be seen as an SI2 by one person can be seen as an I1 by another, fortunately GIA and AGS follow formats that minimize these discrepancies.

To answer your questions:

The Lucére is no different from any other stone including a round in the sense that if you turn it upside down and there is a black carbon inclusion on the pavilion you probably will see it without a loupe. It is a good thing that the clarity grade of a stone is determined primarily from a face up view. After all how many diamonds are set Culet up.

Since this is the case, when you compare a Lucére against a stone that has both a step cut crown and Pavilion, the brilliant faceting on the pavilion of the Lucére hides / disguises inclusions by not creating that glassy see through look that is true of purely step cut stones. What you see when looking through the crown of a Lucére (which is step cut) is the refraction of light off the pavilion. So in a sense you are looking at the pavilion. "Windows and Mirrors" In any diamond the windows are the facets on the crown (and the table) and the mirrors the facets on the pavilion. This refraction of light is what creates a diamond’s brilliance and “pop” and the pop or fire hides what may have been visible in a more glassy diamond

Finally, Finding a Lucére distributor is easier than you think we most likely have one in your area but we do not sell the diamond online nor do we allow the diamond to be sold online. If you are Looking for one send an e-mail to [email protected] tell us where you are and we will direct you to the distributor closest to you. Nicrez if you would like to buy one you can mail me too.

 

[valeria101]

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On 4/9/2004 4:51:30 PM Lucere wrote:



They (the GIA) classify anything you can see with your naked eye (from a face up view) an I1 stone.
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I thought the 'eye clean' criteria applies to colored stones, not diamonds. On the GIA website, the clarity grades are defined in terms of the number and size of inclusions visible under 10x magnification, with no mention of 'eye clean' or the position of the relevant position of the stone.

Would it be possible to have the full definition of these clarity grades as GIA and AGS states them? Is there and 'official' one? Every diamond tutorial on the web uses some different wording for these

I strongly believe you are right to say that the majority of SI stones are eye clena 'face up' and the grade itself should be expected to be eye clean. However, these grades have a bad name... Worth some clarification, I suppose.