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Looks like the Democrats and Ukraine were Colluding.

We can also add to this the collusion between the Democrats and the media. Maybe we all forgot the WikiLeaks dumps and what their contents were instead of focusing on who revealed the contents?
 
Is this the point where you also say "But her emails!" ?
 
This is the point where I say that the DNC coordinated with the media that goes beyond any ethics and works its way into propoganda.
Being fed questions before a debate is just one example.
I could care less about her emails or whether she stored classified email on her private server although that's something that others were almost thrown in jail for.
The point is that the Ukrainian government interefered with our democratic process and colluded with one of our parties. Isn't that something that's concerning to you as a US citizen ?
 
Sugar, if THIS is the thing that's most concerning to you right now you're priorities and mine are very very different.

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BTW, don't YOU find it concerning that YOUR president has colluded with the Russians?
 
BTW, if you even took the time to read the article you posted you would realize that any potential Ukrainian collusion is clearly just a pimple on the a$$ of a Russian elephant.
 
So Ruby, Do you think these latest developments will affect your family?
 
Sure, have an investigation. HRC has been under investigation for so many things, what's one more?

Will it matter in the end? All the investigations on HRC found nothing to charge her with, but some people (here) still claim that she's guilty. Ask Dancing Fire; to him anything Trump does, HRC has done the same and worse. Hmmm...I wonder whose pussy she grabbed.
 
Reading these threads I ask myself ... If we convict hillary of everything and anything, will trump release his tax returns , stop tweeting, stop lying, and start acting like a man of honor who is trying to run a country instead of enrich him and his families bottom line?
I also ask myself ... How many crimes does hillary have to be in prison for before trump stops continually violating the emoluments clause and puts ALL the things in the BLIND trust he was supposed to? even THIS weekend he showed up at one of his courses , asked " where is the bride" and then asked if HIS country clubs staff was taking care of the wedding well. When do we see that endless and overanticipated promised "pivot" where he actually starts acting like a president? To me his behavior isn't modern presidential it is just that of a sick human I wouldn't want at my home for dinner and I would be beyond embarrassed if I was related to. I am so tired of hearing him say that he is more presidential than anyone else. I can't understand how someone can be so full of themselves. He admits he takes the low road and he flaunts it as if that is an asset. He demands loyalty and provides none. There is no one or business he wouldn't stiff payment on or screw over if he thought he could get away with. When does he start acting like a human who is responsible for ALL the people in this country and not just the wealthy white straight christian?
On the campaign trail he asked people to vote for them because " what do you have to lose" ? The list of things he has set his sights on that would hurt the people who voted for him is LONG and they ALL have a lot to lose the longer he is in office.
I wasn't in love with hillary and I certainly didn't agree with many of her policies or ideas, but I don't see how screaming to investigate her every time a problem with trump is seen, is going to fix the very pressing and numerous problems with having trump in office.

If someone wants to investigate hillary go for it. But in the mean time the GOP should be focused on getting Pence in as president ASAP. The longer they allow trump to embarrass this country the worse it will be for everyone. 2018 will be here fast and 2020 is around the corner, and this president is not going to be doing the GOP any favors by continuing the behavior he has shown. He surrounds himself with yes men who have the idea of let trump be trump. It is bad for him in the long term and it is bad for America. The path the GOP is on is going to end very badly for them. They do NOT want trumps actions to be acceptable if the democrats decide to do them too. They are unbecoming of the GOP and of our nation. The problem in the white house wasnt the staff, or the leaks or the party. The problem in the white house is trump and he will destroy anyone and anything he can to get what he wants.

The DNC chair had to resign last year, and there is no question that the problems with the DNC are wide and deep , but most people at some point learn that 2 wrongs don't make a right, and just because so and so did something doesn't mean that we should make what they did ok and repeat it. We also dont get to continually deflect our own bad behavior by saying that someone else was worse. When do we expect people to behave better? When I ask myself these questions, I am torn between being disgusted and terrified that this is where we are left in 2017.

My biggest concern is the person who won the election. I am concerned that the person in charge is a detriment to the nation. He is entirely unfit for the office he holds and is unwilling to learn how to do the job well. I have no problem when he goes on vacation. The longer he is playing golf the less time he has to hurt those who are already hurting more. Frankly, if he refuses to resign I would prefer he spend everyday on vacation so he can't make things worse for the good people of this country who are just trying to make an honest living. I hope that if he refuses to resign and congress refuses to send any charges to the senate for a trial, that in 2020 the people of this country will have their heads out of the sand and will elect someone who will represent this country well.
The man who likes to call people snowflakes turned out to be the biggest one I have ever seen. He is trying to say the economy doing well is all his doing, I sincerely doubt he will be taking the credit when the stock market goes down as it is bound to do. He plays the victim for all bad news, only believes polls that are good for him and proclaims news as fake and mocks our justice system as witch hunts.

I'm not worried that if we don't prosecute hillary, that we will have to redo the election and she can become president. SHE LOST. It is over. She isn't coming back and she isn't going to be president. trump is our president no amount of whining about 33 k emails is going to change trump or his behaviors.

He hasn't learned anything or changed one bit. We now have to deal with the HUGE cluster*&#% that is the white house and ask , what can we do so it doesn't destroy our country and possibly the world. The sooner Pence is in charge the better I will sleep at night. And I don't even like Pence! I think Pence is a whole different ball of trouble but I also think he will at least TRY to use a level head and think before he gets the USA into a war. I have no doubt trump would get us into a war to distract from his many possible problems. I think Pence has a voice in the back of his mind that says " think before you act because it may have consequences " and that would be a step up. So if hillary did something wrong by all means feel free to investigate, but it will never make what trump is doing and has done right, it doesnt justify trump and the people of this country need to demand BETTER from BOTH parties.

ok Vent over. sorry for the ramble!
 
t-c said:
Sure, have an investigation. HRC has been under investigation for so many things, what's one more?

Will it matter in the end? All the investigations on HRC found nothing to charge her with, but some people (here) still claim that she's guilty. Ask Dancing Fire; to him anything Trump does, HRC has done the same and worse. Hmmm...I wonder whose pussy she grabbed.
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:shhh:...Not an investigation let's just call it a matter...;)2:lol:
 
tykasx78, please do not wish Pence upon us. It's bad enough that he's VP. As a resident of the state of Indiana, I can attest to the fact that he will do no better than Trump, he's just in a prettier, more polished package. I have to deal with the consequences of his policies and actions in office as governor here every single day, multiple times a day, and let me tell you, they are not only a huge inconvenience (I-69) they have taken away the rights of members of our LGTBQ community, (RFRA) and much, much more. His agenda is pandering to the extreme right wing Christians and putting women back in the 1950s, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen where he thinks they belong.

I will suffer through the next few years with Trump as long as his handlers do their jobs and freaking keep him under control. But I do not think I can abide Pence as pres. Would you really want a man who refuses to be in the same room alone with a woman? Not because he doesn't trust himself. Because he doesn't trust women. Not a very strong candidate for leading the country, in my opinion. That's like if I went to work and refused to work alone with a man. I wouldn't be very effective at my job, now would I?
 
Great posts @tkyasx78 and @monarch64! tkyasx, I'm so glad you jumped in here. You weren't rambling and I loved hearing your opinions.

Monnie, You know you and I feel exactly the same way about Pence but I'm wondering if tkyasx may be thinking that considering what has taken place this week alone, we may be better our just putting up with Pence for the rest of the term and work out all the damage he will do at a later date. Looking at all that is at stake that may be our best option. Everything I have read about Pence scares the hell out of me but it sure beats being dead. What we are dealing with now scares the hell out of me. In a perfect world we would have a half way decent Vice President and unfortunately we have one that is possibly the most misogynistic we have seen in a long time. It saddens me when I think of how far back Pence would put women and gay people. The bottom line is both Trump and Pence are awful people.

tkyasx, Please know I am in no way trying to put words in your mouth.
 
monarch64 said:
tykasx78, please do not wish Pence upon us. It's bad enough that he's VP. As a resident of the state of Indiana, I can attest to the fact that he will do no better than Trump, he's just in a prettier, more polished package. I have to deal with the consequences of his policies and actions in office as governor here every single day, multiple times a day, and let me tell you, they are not only a huge inconvenience (I-69) they have taken away the rights of members of our LGTBQ community, (RFRA) and much, much more. His agenda is pandering to the extreme right wing Christians and putting women back in the 1950s, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen where he thinks they belong.

I will suffer through the next few years with Trump as long as his handlers do their jobs and freaking keep him under control. But I do not think I can abide Pence as pres. Would you really want a man who refuses to be in the same room alone with a woman? Not because he doesn't trust himself. Because he doesn't trust women. Not a very strong candidate for leading the country, in my opinion. That's like if I went to work and refused to work alone with a man. I wouldn't be very effective at my job, now would I?
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Yes Calliecake, That is my point. pence would absolutely continue to hurt the communities that trump is trying to hurt But frankly , the nation can change the racist, bigoted, sexist and environmental disasters as soon as the next election is held. What we cannot change is to bring back hundreds of thousands of lives that would be lost if trump engaged in an unnecessary war with north korea or any other nation he tries to run is mouth at.
policies can change, needless death though cannot be reversed.

In 2018 the nation can elect people to make a change in washington, but waiting till 2020 to replace the person who has the legal authority to use nuclear weapons is beyond dangerous.

Just today trump talked with reporters and said that his threat to bring fire and fury if north korea threatened the us again may not have gone FAR ENOUGH.
He said maybe it wasnt tough enough.
At some point the people of this nation need to say ENOUGH and he needs to step aside before we are put in a war between two narcissists who have something to prove at the expense of the innocent people in their countries literal LIVES.
 
Monarch64, I do not wish pence on the country.
The line of succession is if the president is not in charge the VP takes over.
We cant skip the VP and demand a new election or put hatch or ryan in charge because the vp and the president are not liked. I am concerned that the president is unable to represent this country well and that he is putting our nations safety on the line.
congress is a majority republican, they are not going to remove both the president and the VP. I understand why you would rather trump be in charge. If we lived in a world where domestic matters were the biggest threat at the moment it would be different in my opinion. I think we would be safer from other nations if pence is in charge.
I accept that we may not agree on the best road to walk down going forward, but it is painfully apparent to most people in the country we are not on a road that we want to be on. Lets both of us hope that calmer heads will prevail and this country will be able to live in peace.
 
I just posted about then 'Fire and Fury " not going far enough in another thread @tkyasx78

I agree with your thoughts. Trump is proving he is incapable of handling this crisis in a thought out and mature manner. North Korean said last night they would be listening to Trumps comments in the coming days. Trump is playing a game of chicken and he could care less about the destruction this may cause. What the hell is the matter with the Republican Party that they are not making him shut up? I can't believe China, Japan and South Korea aren't putting pressure on Trump to remain silent.
 
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