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I have read all the information in this forum for months. From this information I have tried to reasonably find a great diamond for my budget. I have looked at the diamond search tool on this forum daily. I just need some direction from you experts.

I don''t want to scarifice carat size for color and clarity if I can get away with but of course I need great cut/optics.

Color: F-I (Can anyone here can give me some comfort about H-I colored Asschers? Whiteflash said I should avoid them GOG said it won''t be a problem, so I need clarification.)
Clarity VS1-VS2
Carat 0.9-1 The closer to 1 the better unless the 0.9 faces up extremely well (Is there really a big visual difference between .9 and 1?)
Table 58-63%

Budget 4,000 Max for the stone

Also how much can I haggle dealers like GOG and WhiteFlash?
 
The color is up to your preference. You should see the stones if possible. While I don''t mind (and even prefer) a round stone with a bit of color, I prefer asschers to have a G or better on color. But, it''s all personal preference. With fancy cuts, it''s really best to see them in person. You can write out all the stats, and then get a beautiful stone that doesn''t match any of them.

I don''t know how much haggling is going on with the vendors (I''ve not purchased from them), but, I would trust their opinions on the stones. They haven''t seemed to steer anyone wrong here.

Good Luck!
 
H is fine in that size.
There isnt much of any haggle room the markup from both is allready very small.
If you buy a nice setting they might be able to play a little on the price of the combo but on loose stones there isnt much room to move.
4k is really pushing it for a well cut stone without staying in the H/vs2 range.
 
Date: 12/6/2007 11:24:15 PM
Author: strmrdr
H is fine in that size.
There isnt much of any haggle room the markup from both is allready very small.
If you buy a nice setting they might be able to play a little on the price of the combo but on loose stones there isnt much room to move.
4k is really pushing it for a well cut stone without staying in the H/vs2 range.
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4K is really pushing it, I spent 3.9K back in 2005 for my .92 assscher from GOG.
 
Has anyone heard of these certifications:

UGL or CGS certified from New York?

strmrdr, Can I have your opinion when I get a few stones called in?

GOG is calling in a few for me right now.

Thanks
 
I LOVE #3!!!!
 
3 2 1 in that order.
Id consider 2 and 3, with 3 winning at that size.
Whats the rest of the info for a more complete decision?
video is just one part of the picture do you have links too the workups on the stones?
 
Date: 12/7/2007 11:10:01 PM
Author: strmrdr
3 2 1 in that order.
Id consider 2 and 3, with 3 winning at that size.
Whats the rest of the info for a more complete decision?
video is just one part of the picture do you have links too the workups on the stones?
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LOL.. no fair strm. That''s a classic strmrdr bright drop.
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You know which one that is. My personal assessment was the same, only difference seperating 2 & 3 is personality though.

#3 however is officially out of the picture.

Peace,
Jon
 
Date: 12/8/2007 5:37:45 PM
Author: Rhino

Date: 12/7/2007 11:10:01 PM
Author: strmrdr
3 2 1 in that order.
Id consider 2 and 3, with 3 winning at that size.
Whats the rest of the info for a more complete decision?
video is just one part of the picture do you have links too the workups on the stones?
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LOL.. no fair strm. That''s a classic strmrdr bright drop.
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You know which one that is. My personal assessment was the same, only difference seperating 2 & 3 is personality though.

#3 however is officially out of the picture.

Peace,
Jon
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Looks like 2 would be the way too go then.
In under 1.25ct or so sizes I like the bright drops and wide steps because they show patterns a bit more but there is nothing wrong with the other patterns.
Multistep and RA style I dont like as well at those sizes.
What pattern is #2? telling pattern type from vid isnt exact enough.
Someone else buy #3 or was the color or clarity off?
 
Date: 12/8/2007 6:20:07 PM
Author: strmrdr



Date: 12/8/2007 5:37:45 PM
Author: Rhino




Date: 12/7/2007 11:10:01 PM
Author: strmrdr
3 2 1 in that order.
Id consider 2 and 3, with 3 winning at that size.
Whats the rest of the info for a more complete decision?
video is just one part of the picture do you have links too the workups on the stones?
Click to expand...
LOL.. no fair strm. That''s a classic strmrdr bright drop.
25.gif
You know which one that is. My personal assessment was the same, only difference seperating 2 & 3 is personality though.

#3 however is officially out of the picture.

Peace,
Jon
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Looks like 2 would be the way too go then.
In under 1.25ct or so sizes I like the bright drops and wide steps because they show patterns a bit more but there is nothing wrong with the other patterns.
Multistep and RA style I dont like as well at those sizes.
What pattern is #2? telling pattern type from vid isnt exact enough.
Someone else buy #3 or was the color or clarity off?
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Yep. #3 is .91 D VS1... and will be 1/2 of a future pair. (That means you better get going Jon and find another one so this baby is not lonely
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in the dark, cold safe for too long!!!) For small size it blew me away and I hope i enjoy as much in person. I was told Mike prefers style of #2 as first choice. I did a search... will anyone add here a PS link to good thread about the cutting differences of Asschers?
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Or more info about cutting differences seen in Mike''s video? I could only find Royal asscher stuff... Thanks.
 
Date: 12/9/2007 2:02:04 PM
Author: Green with Envy

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Yep. #3 is .91 D VS1... and will be 1/2 of a future pair. (That means you better get going Jon and find another one so this baby is not lonely
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in the dark, cold safe for too long!!!) For small size it blew me away and I hope i enjoy as much in person. I was told Mike prefers style of #2 as first choice. I did a search... will anyone add here a PS link to good thread about the cutting differences of Asschers?
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Or more info about cutting differences seen in Mike's video? I could only find Royal asscher stuff... Thanks.
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awesome!
Congrates!
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the thread is here:
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/all-about-asschers.24689/page-2
 
Storm...Thanks foir those pics.. I went back to read some other posts and it all makes sense. the only thing.. and maybe this is SO basic that no one asked... but Classic asscher vs Royal asscher. I get the whole patented thing... but does a royal asscher look more like the narrow step pic... or more like one of the others? Is wide step the "classic" ascher look?

Thasnk!!!
 
Date: 12/10/2007 11:45:16 PM
Author: Green with Envy
Storm...Thanks foir those pics.. I went back to read some other posts and it all makes sense. the only thing.. and maybe this is SO basic that no one asked... but Classic asscher vs Royal asscher. I get the whole patented thing... but does a royal asscher look more like the narrow step pic... or more like one of the others? Is wide step the 'classic' ascher look?

Thasnk!!!
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all 3 looks are found in classic asschers.
RA is generaly multistep/narrow step but the white and black are reversed, wide white, narrow back in general.
I have seen wide step RA's.
 
Cool.

So the special Royal asscher patent with their very specific # of facets... still can have different looks, but since folks say RA don''t look good small... never see a drop one. If RA stopped cutting... for a price there still is lots of loose inventory?

I got to try on this one today... sooo pretty!!! It had lots of narrow steps, but an elongated stone and I still have to sort through the arguments about asschers only square and not rectangles... etc.

http://singlestone.com/site.php?page=collections&catID=14&pID=13&startRow=4
 
If color were not an issue... the 1.01 ... second stone is lovely. But I would hate an I color asscher.

Then toss up between 1 and 3... #1 has better color but #3 seems like better windmills to amateur eye.

Let''s see what storm thinks....
 
3 then 1 .. 2 is decent but not as good as 1 and 3, 4 is blah
Need the rest of the info to pick between 3 and 1 for sure.
 
I''m curious to hear your reseaons against 2 and for 1 and 3. I really like the clipped corners of 1 and 3 but I want understand what you''re looking for.

Anyone else have opinions for me?
 
Yes- I want to know too! In that video #2 looked more like my amatuer concept of what an asscher is supposed to look like... really square and those defined straight steps. We all see the visual difference of #2 compared to #1 and #3... but what specifically visually are we seeing that makes one better?
 
Date: 12/11/2007 11:59:23 PM
Author: Green with Envy
Yes- I want to know too! In that video #2 looked more like my amatuer concept of what an asscher is supposed to look like... really square and those defined straight steps. We all see the visual difference of #2 compared to #1 and #3... but what specifically visually are we seeing that makes one better?
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tiny windmills on 2 is the biggest downgrade, it does have nice steps.
edit: with tiny clipped corners the windmills should go full width of corners and gently taper and those are narrower and sharply narrow down.

look at the 33-41 second point which shows the arrows very well in #2 and you will see what I mean.

Whats weird is I had to go back and figure out why I didnt like it too answer, its one of those it just didnt look right move on things.
 
Date: 12/11/2007 10:19:22 PM
Author: strmrdr
3 then 1 .. 2 is decent but not as good as 1 and 3, 4 is blah
Need the rest of the info to pick between 3 and 1 for sure.
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Ditto.

I don''t care for the other 2 at all.
 
I''m totally not into #2 either- windmills are tooooo skinny for my taste. My fav was 3, and 1 was a really nice #2. yum
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I have zero experience in what makes a good asscher, but purely asthetically I like 3, then 1, then 2. The clipped corners/windmills on 2 are so tiny! And that's in a hugely magnified picture! 1 and 3 are closer to what I think of as as asscher with 3 having nicer corners/windmills and 1 having a slightly nicer step pattern (to me).

Good luck!
 
I can''t explain cutting, but I to like #3 the best as well. Optically it just draws you into the center, looks so much more dimensional. Some of the other cuts, the center looks, well, flat to me...
 
I see one''s been put on hold.
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