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Hey.

I'm looking for a pear diamond. Found one I really liked and was about to ask for some more info/pictures when it was sold :(

There is another one I like too, but it has very thin to very think girdle. Is that too unsafe to put in engagement ring? I'm under the impression that I should stay away from extremely think to very thin girdles. I would put it in a halo ring, in case the setting makes a different to how sensitive the diamond would be.

This is the one with thin girdle (1.27 carat):
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Pear-Diamond-895185.asp

This is the one I liked that sold (1.40 carat):
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-SI2-Premium-Cut-Pear-Diamond-1439047.asp

Another one that is chubbier and deeper than I normally like, but I think it is nice. Worried about color though (H, looks a bit yellow in photo, 1.59 carat):
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI2-Premium-Cut-Pear-Diamond-1429075.asp

Comparison of the three listed diamonds above (resized to my best ability to represent their comparable size, from smallest to biggest):
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This is the ring I'm looking at getting:
http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/ring/item_412-8981.asp

So what do you think? Is the 1.27 nice and, more importantly, safe to buy despite thin girdle etc?

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Alternatively, if you could help me find another better suited diamond, that would be fantastic too. I've looked through james allens diamond a hundred times at least (and I look every day for new diamonds) so I doubt you'll find anything there, but I might be wrong. Also I have not found any other vendor with actual pictures of their diamonds, but I'd be OK with buying from someone else too if you know a place. I really need to see the diamond before I buy though.

What I'm looking at getting is something like this (size and sparkle being most important):
Shape: pear
Carat: 1.20+, bigger is better in terms of both carat and surface size
Cut: Not sure how accurate these listed cuts are, but it needs to sparkle a lot
Color: G+ I think
Clarity: SI2+
L/W ratio: preferably 1.6+, but not set in stone
Fluorescence: none
Price: This seems to go up the longer I look, but lets say $6000ish (for diamond alone)

Any suggestions?

Thanks for the help everyone!
 
I think the first two look too elongated. I really like the shape of the third one the best. It also looks like it is pretty nicely cut. I don't know a thing about pear measurements, but I guess I'd want to be sure the depth wasn't causing it to face up too small for it's weight.
 
diamondseeker2006|1328937748|3123846 said:
I think the first two look too elongated. I really like the shape of the third one the best. It also looks like it is pretty nicely cut. I don't know a thing about pear measurements, but I guess I'd want to be sure the depth wasn't causing it to face up too small for it's weight.
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Hmm, I really liked that they were so long, but I'm leaning towards going a little bit rounder (if maybe not as much as the last picture). Also, I've started to think that it might look a little weird in a halo with such a long diamond..

Anyway, the last one is a bit deep and it will probably look a little small for it's weight, but considering it is the same price as the 1.4ct one (and I think it looks bigger) it's not really a big deal if you know what I mean. The color is my main worry about that diamond though.. if it was an F I would probably have emailed james allen by now, but H is a borderline case.
 
Hi there,

I cant help with the girdle info, but I can offer my 10cents for the stone. I have a pear engagement ring, In fact i always wanted a halo around the pear, (to replicate the harry winston halo cushion, but with a pear shape). I handed all this info too my fiance, who decided against the halo in the end. And to be honest i am happy he did. The main problem we found was that with a pear, the halos tended to look "clunky". I love the look of them, plus it makes them look bigger, but its a very fine line of making a bigger ring, and making something that isnt that pretty.

When we were looking at stones, it is So important you see pears in person, as the "bowtie" or "boat" in the middle can be really ugly. In the end we went for a smaller stone that I wanted (typical!) but it is a beautiful beautiful cut, and you can see no bow tie at all. But the face-up photo of them would not have shown that. Even with a very good cut, like mine, in the dark you can see a black line across it, which some people have even commented on in the past. Obviously in light it is fine. In fact (dont tell me husband this) when he actually gave it to me, it was dark on a beach, and the only thing i could see was the dark line, but as soon as we were in the light i saw it was perfect!

Just a word of advice, try to see the stones, and make sure you watch out for the bowtie, as you will ALWAYS see it. Oh and dont let the vendor tell you they always have them, because they dont!

Good luck and let us know how you get on!

:)
 
Thanks for your input sushi.

I don't think I have to worry about it being clunky, she likes big rings and, if anything, I'm worried that the halo is going to be too dainty ;)

The bowtie issue is something I'm concerned about, but I'm just going to have to trust james allens input on these things (I'll email them once I've narrowed it down to 2-3 stones to get some pictures and see what they think). I can unfortunately not buy a diamond locally as the prices are insane (I don't live in the US).

EDIT: I'm sure I'll make another thread later to discuss james allens feedback and ASET pictures etc and then another one to show off the ring when it arrives :)
 
ah fair enough, yes the "clunkiess" is a matter of taste. I have tiny fingers, so i suppose I prefer things more dainty!

But the stone is the important thing.. Actually I just got out my GIA cert to have a look at the info. Im really NOT AT ALL an expert, so you will be better off really waiting for everyone else to wake up (im in HK so still a normal time), but i was surprised actually.

I have no bowtie, so I presumed I had the "perfect" ratio which is 1.6 for a pear. But mine is 1.48, and it is lovely! It isnt too long, not too fat, and no blackness, so im just a little confused actually.

I think the D Si2 looks lovely, but I would want to see the incusion at the tip more. it looks quite obvious, that said it is magnified a lot.
Personally I can see the "yellowness" of the H, but maybe its because it is next to the D and E. That said I have a D, and I can see instanstly (so i think) when peoples arent that white... but im told im talking rubbish when i say that!

Have a look at http://www.mazaldiamond.com/ too... they have a few interesting ones...

Good Luck!
 
sushi|1328962127|3123924 said:
Have a look at http://www.mazaldiamond.com/ too... they have a few interesting ones...
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Hmm, they don't seem to provide pictures of their diamonds though, which is a shame. I'm in Australia, so my time is a bit off from most people around here too.
 
No but they have very good reviews. Might be worth giving them a call/email.

Its a shame you are not here in HK, from what I can see by comparing online to here, they are cheaper here, and there is a lot more variety. There is the international jewellery convention in a few weeks here, and Im on the look out for a pair of studs, im going to check out the show, and compare to the online sites... ill let you know how I get on!

The other thing is, because it is the biggest jewellery show in the world, most of the good stock will be here, so Im told (i might be wrong) that at this time it it harder to get what you want.
 
My 2 cents...the one that you liked that sold, I dont like at all. The faceting pattern is not that nice. I do like the 3rd
fatter one though. H is about as low as I would go on the color scale for a pear (that you still want to look white).
Call (or email) JA and ask them to do a comparison of the first stone and 3rd stone. They can tell you what they see.
Ask about the very thin girdle on the first stone. I'm not sure if you need to worry about it that much with the setting
you plan on using. The halo will really help in preventing the main stone from getting hit. Ask how much of the girdle
is very thin.

My favorite would be the fat one (3rd stone), but you need to talk to the JA gemologist and see what they have to say.
 
tyty333|1328985683|3124079 said:
My 2 cents...the one that you liked that sold, I dont like at all. The faceting pattern is not that nice.
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My favorite would be the fat one (3rd stone), but you need to talk to the JA gemologist and see what they have to say.
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I'm not really sure how to interpret these pictures.. I think the patterns look really nice on the ones I've picked, but I've disregarded countless ones because I thought they looked weird. But I have no idea how the patterns would translate to when looking at them in person.
I'm definitely going to ask the gemologist, but I want to be sure of my selection before I do that last step. Once I've nailed the shortlist down to 2-3 diamonds and I'm ready to buy, I'll do it.

Christina...|1329006714|3124298 said:
This might be worth calling about....
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/pear-cut-loose-diamond-2664776.htm
it's part of their virtual selection but they can call it in and assess it for you.
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I had no idea they could do that, thanks, I'll keep an eye out for whiteflash diamonds too then.

I've updated my comparison with another diamond. It is one of the ones I looked over because I thought the faceting pattern looked a bit weird, like an eye on the top, but maybe I shouldn't be so quick to judge. It is also only an H, but it looks considerably brighter than the other H one (so I'm guessing it's just a matter of how the picture was taken?).

It's the third one from the left.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Premium-Cut-Pear-Diamond-1450837.asp
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My personal choice would be the last photo above - the 4th one, which I think was originally the 3rd in your first collection. With the new #3 in there, to me (and I am probably talking thru my hat here....) it seems too much of a 'crushed ice' look which is lovely, but for me, not appealing in this stone.

I'm voting for #4 on your photo!

Good luck!
 
The faceting patterns on #2 and the new #3 are not that great. In my opinion #1 isnt all that good either. #4 is the only
one that I really like.
 
I'm surprised you guys picked number 4 to be honest, but I'm glad I guess since I really like it too (but thought it was just me). Sorry for changing order, I just thought it made sense to have them in order of carat weight to easier compare the sizes.

But anyway, I am still really worried about the color.. do you think an H is going to be fine? I know that with super sparkly round ones you can go lower in color, but I'm worried about going this low with a pear. Especially worried since it will be in a white gold ring with a halo of probably brighter diamonds around it which might make it look even more yellow. Any thoughts about this? Anyone with an H color in a halo mind giving me their opinion? :)

I'm just terrified of making the wrong decision, and I can't really return it easily since I'm not from the states and I would need to pay GST to customs etc. It would be amazing to be able to buy such a big diamond though (ie carat weight) and I can easily overlook that much of the weight is from the deepness ;)
 
Most people find H to face up very white, unless you are very color sensitive, in which case you may see some slight body color when viewing the stone unset or set and viewed through the side of the pavillion. I also don't find #4 to be particularly deep in cut, and don't think that you need to worry about any 'hidden' weight. This stone is going to face up plenty large! :)) I really think it's the best of all four options.
 
Thanks Christina (and everyone else).
Also just noticed that the 4th diamond was graded by GIA on my birthday! It's a sign :appl:

Now I just need help picking at least 1 other diamonds that I like that I can have the gemologist look at so I have something to compare with, please help! :) As nice as I originally thought the first diamond was, it just looks so small and narrow now and I'd feel bad asking him to assess a diamond I'm not seriously interested in.. but we'll see. Maybe I'll just ask him about this 1 diamond by itself if I can't find anything soon.
 
Number 4 def. looks like the nicest stone of those on offer. I have H & I stones and I can't notice the slight color unless I'm looking specifically for it. And I wear it with eternity bands of higher color sparklies.
 
IMPORTANT UPDATE
Decided to send off diamond #4 to james allen gemologist and got back the result today. He basically said it was crap and not to buy it :( Also, #3 has sold. So out of my listen diamonds, number 2 and 3 are sold and 4 is crap. And I don't really want number 1. And I can not find any other pear diamonds I like. I'm sad now, I give up :(
Would be great if anyone had any suggestions though. I'm aiming for 1.4 carat around the $6000 pricerange.

Here is what gemologist said, he didn't even bother sending the requested ASET picture:
"...Our gemologist has determined that the feather in this diamond is visible to the unaided eye and that its bowtie is black and wide. Additionally, its inclusions give it a cloudy appearance and have a negative impact on its light performance. Since our gemologist didn't favor this diamond, I took the liberty of completing a diamond search and was unable to find diamonds at the same price point that looked likely to be better performers..."

EDIT: to clarify, although I'm aiming at 1.4carat, I've set the minimum at 1.3.. but yeah, can't find a single one on james allen that I think looks alright (excluding the diamond #2-4 of course, but that doesn't really help me now).
 
Don't give up!!! The perfect stone for your lovely gf is out there!!! I'm sure someone will help you out soon! :)
 
1.6 : 1 is a somewhat elongated shape, but certainly a pretty shape. A very thin girdle possibly can compromise the durability of a diamond, but often the super thin zone is limited to a small spot where not much would break. You need to go over the diamond carefully to judge if such a girdle comment has much meaning or not. If the entire stone has a super thin girdle, the chance of chipping the diamond is definitely a concern. Set low in a halo style the damage is less likely with a wide buffer around the stone's edge.
 

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Hey fruxo,

I just wanted to offer you a few words of encouragement. I'm a little late to this post.

Searching for a pear can be very, very difficult. I was becoming pretty frustrated in my search. My awesome jeweler convinced me to look at a pear (my ring linked above) that had I seen a GIA report, I would have written off. Just to let you know, my pear has a 51.1% depth and while I don't know the crown and pav angle yet (it's getting appraised), I'm sure those will be off according to the guidelines set forth by Dave. Mine falls into the class 3A/Domestic Average. Somehow, the pear is an amazing beauty with practically no bowtie and an almost crushed ice look. I was looking for a much bigger pear around 2.5 to 3 but I definitely don't feel that I settled for a 2.01. In addition, all the inclusions for my pear were right smack on the table. I can't see an inclusion in person.

I have always been a huge fan of cflutist and diamondlil's pears but I knew personally that I wanted a squattier pear. I'm fortunate that I found the one that I loved at a 1.58 ratio. It's really all a matter of preference. Although this forum suggests buyers buy from the internet vendors, I'd highly suggest being able to see some pears in person to determine shape appeal. If you're really set on buying online, I think JA and GOG would be the way to go. Best of luck to you!
 
purplesilk|1330164065|3134048 said:
What about this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BANKRUPTCY-SALE-2-75-CARAT-PEAR-DIAMOND-14K-WHITE-GOLD-ENGAGEMENT-RING-/130652797481?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item1e6b837a29
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If it was a local sale that I could view before I buy I would definitely arrange a viewing, but I'm not really comfortable trusting a sellers word on a purchase of this amount. Also, considering it is a 2.75 carat ring valued at only $14.000 I assume there are some serious issues.

So basically I have nothing against buying second hand, but in that case I want to be able to at least view it first, which severely limits my options.

EDIT: the ebay title was a little misleading, it's a 2.24ct pear diamond with a total carat weight of 2.75. Which doesn't really change my opinion, just clarifying ;)
 
I think it's worth asking our diamond experts' opinion...
 
tyty333|1330176487|3134107 said:
purplesilk|1330164065|3134048 said:
What about this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BANKRUPTCY-SALE-2-75-CARAT-PEAR-DIAMOND-14K-WHITE-GOLD-ENGAGEMENT-RING-/130652797481?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item1e6b837a29
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You would be trading size for quality with this one (IMO). The shape is off...its got shoulders and I dont think it would be
eye-clean. In some of the shots I am seeing something in the upper right side of it. Not dark but more cloudy.
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Agree. The shape appeal is off on this stone.
 
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