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dc87

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Hey all,

This is my first post but this site has been very helpful over the past few months as I have searched for a diamond. I have been searching for a rectangular cushion cut that is as big as possible for under 25k. Open to all eye clean clarities and any colors above I (going into a gold setting). Also, we like the symmetrical/chunky cushions better than the crushed glass look.

With that in mind, I have found a lot of stones online and in person that fit the bill but this one below seems almost too good to be true. 2.5 carat, VVS2, I color. My question specifically is the surface area length X width dimensions imply that this stone will have the face up size of a much larger stone but depth is 60% so it doesn't seem that depth was sacrificed for a larger surface area. Is there anything I am missing here? Just seems too good.

Also, has anyone ever ordered from Diamonds on Web? They are listing the same stone at a lower price than JA.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Cushion-Diamond-1421555.asp

I think this weblink should work but it may not since I have it on hold. Here are the stats if not.

Shape: Cushion
Carat weight: 2.50
Cut: Excellent
Color: I
Clarity: VVS2
Certificate: GIA
Depth: 60.5%
Table: 60.0%
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Good
Girdle: Medium to very thick
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 9.60*7.51*4.54
Ratio: 1.28
 
I don't find the diamond appealing to the eye. The table is much too large and the shallowness of the diamond is making it appear very glassy.
 
IMO, that is not a chunky cushion cut. And I do believe you will have the crushed ice appearance under the table. It is a modern brilliant cut. You need to look for a "CUSHION BRILLIANT" with wide 8 mains....that facet pattern is more likely to give you a chunky looking cushion, but they are few and far between. Take a look at the facet patterns on all the "A Cut Beyond" on ERD certs and you will see what I'm talking about.

This is a beautiful stone on ERD if you don't mind that little white "buggar" just inside the table:
http://www.engagementringsdirect.com/2.67-carat-h-si1-a-cut-beyond-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-73966.html Being 8mm wide and 8.5 long it will look larger than the stone on JA. It is also listed on Leon Mege site...this same stone and it is about $1,000 cheaper...go figure!

http://www.micropave.com/index.php/loose-diamonds/2-67-caraat-antique-cushion-cut-diamond-h-si1-color-clarity.html

Here are two more from LM. Either ERD,Leon, or GOG will find you the best chunky cushion for your $$'s. And you can't beat GOG for performing chunky cushions. You can call GOG and see if they have any unbranded cushion brilliants ...he will find you one too. They have access to the cutters that cut these and know what is coming.

http://www.micropave.com/index.php/loose-diamonds/2-54-i-vs1-cushion-diamond.html

http://www.micropave.com/index.php/loose-diamonds/2-14-carat-antique-cushion-cut-diamond-i-vs2-color-clarity.html $14,000

Here is the only one I could find that would be close to what you are looking for on JA (Note the facet pattern on the report)

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Cushion-Diamond-1257419.asp

I suggest you go to GOG and watch Jon's videos on cushion cuts and then you will know exactly what to look for.

But my vote is "thumbs way down" on that JA stone. Sorry.
 
You can do a lot better!
 
Oh, goodness, that is not a good cushion. No one has a better selection of cushions than Good Old Gold. You need to contact Jonathan there and tell him what you are wanting and he can pull a few stones and make a video for you. Great cushions are hard to find in general, and you'll do much better going to someone like Jonathan who hand selects the best ones for his inventory and can source others if he doesn't have what you want in stock.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone. This chart illustrates what I am looking for a bit better. I like the top and bottom much more than the middle. Like you guys say, there aren't a lot of cushion brilliants out there but I have seen a number of the "hybrids" that are modified but still look chunkier. I've seen this chunkier modifieds with both of those facet structures so it seems to be impossible to tell without seeing an actual picture of the diamond.

http://blog.brilliance.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Cushion-Brilliant-vs-Cushion-Modified-Brilliant.jpg

Thanks for the feedback on the diamond- overwhelmingly negative. Is there any chance this stone could be better in person than in the picture? The numbers don't tell the whole story but the depth and table would imply a nice cut no?
 
dc87|1333308160|3161285 said:
Thanks for the feedback on the diamond- overwhelmingly negative. Is there any chance this stone could be better in person than in the picture? The numbers don't tell the whole story but the depth and table would imply a nice cut no?
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The depth and table implies a badly cut cushion in my mind. I like the tables to be 56% and lower especially since I love the small table high crown look. The depth is too low and is at risk of leakage .. but other than that I find cushions that are too shallow to start looking glass like. We see this effect on this diamond.
 
I agree with all the previous statements. Stone really doesn't appear to be a winner. If you are still skeptical, you can ask for an ASET for upto 3 stones from JA and have one of their experts evaluate it prior to you purchsing it, but I suspect it will not come close to the stones you could get from either ERD, GOG, or LM. I personally reviewed all their stones and found them to be on a whole other level in comparison to 99% of stones you will see at other online or BM vendors. With your budget I think you could do very well at any of these vendors.
 
I saw it on several websites so it was clear no one owned it so I asked a jeweler I am working with if they could bring it in and now it is at their office. I'll get to see it next week risk free so if it's no good that is fine.

Which sites are ERD and LM? I sent a request to GOG about finding a stone since I wasn't thrilled with any listed on the website and they replied saying they had one but that I needed to put down a $100 deposit before getting the certificate. Seemed strange and unfriendly.

Also, I found this stone at a few sites for ~19.5k: 2.4c, I color, VS2, 67.5% depth, 59% table, X/X polish/symmetry. I thought it looked interesting on paper so I requested pictures and to my novice eye it looks good.

What do you all think? I think I attached it right but can't tell.

Thanks for the feedback!
 
dc87|1333656916|3164327 said:
I saw it on several websites so it was clear no one owned it so I asked a jeweler I am working with if they could bring it in and now it is at their office. I'll get to see it next week risk free so if it's no good that is fine.

Which sites are ERD and LM? I sent a request to GOG about finding a stone since I wasn't thrilled with any listed on the website and they replied saying they had one but that I needed to put down a $100 deposit before getting the certificate. Seemed strange and unfriendly.

Also, I found this stone at a few sites for ~19.5k: 2.4c, I color, VS2, 67.5% depth, 59% table, X/X polish/symmetry. I thought it looked interesting on paper so I requested pictures and to my novice eye it looks good.

What do you all think? I think I attached it right but can't tell.

Thanks for the feedback!
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ERD = Engagement Rings Direct http://www.engagementringsdirect.com

LM = Leon Mege http://www.artofplatinum.com
 
dc87|1333656916|3164327 said:
I saw it on several websites so it was clear no one owned it so I asked a jeweler I am working with if they could bring it in and now it is at their office. I'll get to see it next week risk free so if it's no good that is fine.

Which sites are ERD and LM? I sent a request to GOG about finding a stone since I wasn't thrilled with any listed on the website and they replied saying they had one but that I needed to put down a $100 deposit before getting the certificate. Seemed strange and unfriendly.

Also, I found this stone at a few sites for ~19.5k: 2.4c, I color, VS2, 67.5% depth, 59% table, X/X polish/symmetry. I thought it looked interesting on paper so I requested pictures and to my novice eye it looks good.

What do you all think? I think I attached it right but can't tell.

Thanks for the feedback!
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I posted both websites above. To view Leon Mege's stones you need to go to www.micropave.com

This is a beautiful stone on ERD if you don't mind that little white "buggar" just inside the table:
http://www.engagementringsdirect.com/2.67-carat-h-si1-a-cut-beyond-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-73966.html Being 8mm wide and 8.5 long it will look larger than the stone on JA. It is also listed on Leon Mege site...this same stone and it is about $1,000 cheaper...go figure!

http://www.micropave.com/index.php/loose-diamonds/2-67-caraat-antique-cushion-cut-diamond-h-si1-color-clarity.html

Here are two more from LM. Either ERD,Leon, or GOG will find you the best chunky cushion for your $$'s. And you can't beat GOG for performing chunky cushions. You can call GOG and see if they have any unbranded cushion brilliants ...he will find you one too. They have access to the cutters that cut these and know what is coming.

http://www.micropave.com/index.php/loose-diamonds/2-54-i-vs1-cushion-diamond.html

http://www.micropave.com/index.php/loose-diamonds/2-14-carat-antique-cushion-cut-diamond-i-vs2-color-clarity.html $14,000
 
Thanks for the links, those cut above diamonds on ERD look great. And good find catching the one for $1k cheaper on LM.

One question- it looks like a lot of these "Cut above" superior cut diamonds have large culet which I thought was a negative. Is this actually a positive or not all that big of a deal?
 
Thanks for the links, those cut above diamonds on ERD look great. And good find catching the one for $1k cheaper on LM.

One question- it looks like a lot of these "Cut above" superior cut diamonds have large culet which I thought was a negative. Is this actually a positive or not all that big of a deal?
 
dc87|1333668984|3164527 said:
Thanks for the links, those cut above diamonds on ERD look great. And good find catching the one for $1k cheaper on LM.

One question- it looks like a lot of these "Cut above" superior cut diamonds have large culet which I thought was a negative. Is this actually a positive or not all that big of a deal?
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culet is a matter of personal preference-for vintage style stones some prefer the culet.
 
Also looks like a few have crown angles >40. Should that be a cause for concern? They still look great in the video
 
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