Looking at WF diamonds -- significant difference?

[New Guy :)]

Hello all,

I've been using this forum as a reference and have found it very helpful. Thanks for all your help so far, without even knowing it!

I've chosen to buy from WF because I like their knife-edge Tiffany replica. After figuring in that setting, including the wire discount, my budget leaves me with $2100 left to buy a diamond. Now I'm trying to decide which one to get! The most important thing to me is Cut -- I want to get an Excellent Cut. After that, my budget allows me to choose from several 0.70ct (or so) stones in the VS1-VS2, G-H range. I am comfortable with all that -- the 3/4 ct. range with those Clarity and Color characteristics was what I was hoping for!

Unfortunately, many of the 40 or so WF diamonds I've found in that Carat/Cut/Color range (via Pricescope) don't appear to be in-house at WF. That's not a problem in and of itself (right?), but it does mean many of them don't have GIA certificates linked to the diamonds on the WF website. This is a problem because ..... WF doesn't list the cut of those stones on their website -- you have to check the certificates to see what the Cut is! Of the 40 or so diamonds listed, only 8 or so linked to certificates. About 5 of those were Very Good Cut, and the other 3 were Excellent Cut. As I said, I would like an Excellent Cut to get that extra sparkle.

So, I have 2 questions:

1. What's the best way to check the Cut grade of those other 30 or so WF diamonds? Isn't it a bit much to call/email and ask about each one individually? Or would that be the way to go?

2. Of these 3 Excellent diamonds I've found so far, is there any significant difference between them?

a. 0.70ct. H VS1 Excellent - $1927 - 60.6 d, 61 t - 33*, 41.2* - VG pol, VG sym - M-TK girdle - Faint fluor
b. 0.73ct. H VS2 Excellent - $2017 - 60.8 d, 60 t - 34*, 41.2* - VG pol, VG sym - TN-STK girdle - No fluor
c. 0.70ct. H VS1 Excellent - $2087 - 60.6 d, 60 t - 35*, 41.0* - VG pol, VG sym - TN-M girdle - No fluor

My thinking is that they're all about the same, and I won't notice much of a difference between them. Is this true? What do you all think? How should I choose among them? On girdle, carat, etc.?

Thank you all so much for your opinions and help!

- The New Guy

 

[Moh 10]

I was going to suggest a Whiteflash Expert Selection or ACA but there are none that are G or H, VS1 or VS2 in that size.

I like this diamond from Good Old gold, another excellent PS vendor.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6104/

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 7/10/2009 12:29:17 AM
Author:New Guy
Hello all,

I''ve been using this forum as a reference and have found it very helpful. Thanks for all your help so far, without even knowing it!

I''ve chosen to buy from WF because I like their knife-edge Tiffany replica. After figuring in that setting, including the wire discount, my budget leaves me with $2100 left to buy a diamond. Now I''m trying to decide which one to get! The most important thing to me is Cut -- I want to get an Excellent Cut. After that, my budget allows me to choose from several 0.70ct (or so) stones in the VS1-VS2, G-H range. I am comfortable with all that -- the 3/4 ct. range with those Clarity and Color characteristics was what I was hoping for!

Unfortunately, many of the 40 or so WF diamonds I''ve found in that Carat/Cut/Color range (via Pricescope) don''t appear to be in-house at WF. That''s not a problem in and of itself (right?), but it does mean many of them don''t have GIA certificates linked to the diamonds on the WF website. This is a problem because ..... WF doesn''t list the cut of those stones on their website -- you have to check the certificates to see what the Cut is! Of the 40 or so diamonds listed, only 8 or so linked to certificates. About 5 of those were Very Good Cut, and the other 3 were Excellent Cut. As I said, I would like an Excellent Cut to get that extra sparkle.

So, I have 2 questions:

1. What''s the best way to check the Cut grade of those other 30 or so WF diamonds? Isn''t it a bit much to call/email and ask about each one individually? Or would that be the way to go?

2. Of these 3 Excellent diamonds I''ve found so far, is there any significant difference between them?

a. 0.70ct. H VS1 Excellent - $1927 - 60.6 d, 61 t - 33*, 41.2* - VG pol, VG sym - M-TK girdle - Faint fluor
b. 0.73ct. H VS2 Excellent - $2017 - 60.8 d, 60 t - 34*, 41.2* - VG pol, VG sym - TN-STK girdle - No fluor
c. 0.70ct. H VS1 Excellent - $2087 - 60.6 d, 60 t - 35*, 41.0* - VG pol, VG sym - TN-M girdle - No fluor

My thinking is that they''re all about the same, and I won''t notice much of a difference between them. Is this true? What do you all think? How should I choose among them? On girdle, carat, etc.?

Thank you all so much for your opinions and help!

- The New Guy

Call up WF ask to speak to Bob he is really knowledgeable, friendly and patient. Tell him your concerns and I am sure he will find the diamond for you from their in house or call a supplier and get you the stats.

 

[New Guy :)]

Thanks for your responses so far!

Does anyone else have an opinion as to whether the differences among these 3 diamonds are significant / noticeable? Thanks!

- The New Guy

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/10/2009 12:29:17 AM
Author:New Guy
Hello all,

I've been using this forum as a reference and have found it very helpful. Thanks for all your help so far, without even knowing it!

I've chosen to buy from WF because I like their knife-edge Tiffany replica. After figuring in that setting, including the wire discount, my budget leaves me with $2100 left to buy a diamond. Now I'm trying to decide which one to get! The most important thing to me is Cut -- I want to get an Excellent Cut. After that, my budget allows me to choose from several 0.70ct (or so) stones in the VS1-VS2, G-H range. I am comfortable with all that -- the 3/4 ct. range with those Clarity and Color characteristics was what I was hoping for!

Unfortunately, many of the 40 or so WF diamonds I've found in that Carat/Cut/Color range (via Pricescope) don't appear to be in-house at WF. That's not a problem in and of itself (right?), but it does mean many of them don't have GIA certificates linked to the diamonds on the WF website. This is a problem because ..... WF doesn't list the cut of those stones on their website -- you have to check the certificates to see what the Cut is! Of the 40 or so diamonds listed, only 8 or so linked to certificates. About 5 of those were Very Good Cut, and the other 3 were Excellent Cut. As I said, I would like an Excellent Cut to get that extra sparkle.

So, I have 2 questions:

1. What's the best way to check the Cut grade of those other 30 or so WF diamonds? Isn't it a bit much to call/email and ask about each one individually? Or would that be the way to go?

2. Of these 3 Excellent diamonds I've found so far, is there any significant difference between them?

a. 0.70ct. H VS1 Excellent - $1927 - 60.6 d, 61 t - 33*, 41.2* - VG pol, VG sym - M-TK girdle - Faint fluor Might be ok although personally I prefer a less steep pavilion angle, this is what we call a 60 60 make, often these diamonds show more brilliance than fire, the crown angle and table size suggests this could be the case here. Idealscope image would be very helpful.
b. 0.73ct. H VS2 Excellent - $2017 - 60.8 d, 60 t - 34*, 41.2* - VG pol, VG sym - TN-STK girdle - No fluor 60 60 as before, might be slightly better balanced than the first one, an Idealscope image is needed in any case.
c. 0.70ct. H VS1 Excellent - $2087 - 60.6 d, 60 t - 35*, 41.0* - VG pol, VG sym - TN-M girdle - No fluor
60 60 with borderline steep deep crown and pavilion angles, an Idealscope is essential for this one.

My thinking is that they're all about the same, and I won't notice much of a difference between them. Is this true? What do you all think? How should I choose among them? On girdle, carat, etc.?

Thank you all so much for your opinions and help!

- The New Guy

Out of the above the second would be the one I would personally investigate further, I just wanted to add although some 60 60 diamonds can be beauties, you might be better off choosing one with a smaller table ( 54- 58%) thereabouts as this might offer a little more balance if the crown and pavilion angles are within good range along with the rest of the proportions. Second asking Bob what he can suggest. You say you want an Excellent cut, the ones above a couple are what I would call a nice make for cut but not particularly "excellent" from the info given.

If you are particularly interested in any of the non in house diamonds available to WF, you could run some of these through the cut advisor here below, see which score below 2 to determine which are worth further investigation.

http://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp

 

[New Guy :)]

Thanks for your advice! By "Excellent," I mean that the GIA graded them as being an Excellent cut. Isn''t that enough, or do I need to investigate all "Excellent" cuts further?

 

[stone-cold11]

You need to investigate further, GIA Ex cut allows for combination that allows light leakage.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/10/2009 2:36:05 PM
Author: New Guy
Thanks for your advice! By ''Excellent,'' I mean that the GIA graded them as being an Excellent cut. Isn''t that enough, or do I need to investigate all ''Excellent'' cuts further?

GIA Excellent cut grades are not created equal so most definitely you need to carefully evaluate each one. This is done with ASET and Idealscope in order to eliminate the ones with light leakage which this cut grade can encompass.