Local jeweler coming in cheaper then online stores?

[YaGottaBelieve]

Thought I'd be saving a ton by going online but I found comparable and some cheaper diamonds at a local jeweler in NY. Am I missing something or is the local one comparable to online? Whiteflash and other sites were even more expensive then James Allen. Thanks.

http://www.casalejewelers.net/Article/Diamonds/Search_For_Diamonds
Total Price 4337.34 USD
Shape Round
Carat Weight 1.01 ct
Lab / Cert ID GIA / 1162659245
Color: J - Near Colorless
Color slightly detectable. An excellent value.
Clarity: SI1 - Slightly included
SI1
Inclusions are easily visible under 10x magnification and may be visible with the unaided eye.
Cut Grade Excellent
Depth % 59.6 %
Table % 59 %
Symmetry Very Good
Polish Excellent
Girdle Thickness Thin to Medium
Culet Size None
Fluorescence None
Dimensions 6.6x6.58x3.93 mm
L/W Ratio --

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.00-carat-j-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-363374
$ 4,280 USD
Carat weight:1.00
Certificate:GIA
Color:j
Shape: Round
Clarity: SI1
Cut: Excellent
Depth %:62.10
Girdle: Thin - Slightly Thick
Table %:58.00
Culet:
Polish:Excellent
Crown ∠: 36.00
Symmetry:Very Good
Crown %:
Fluorescence:None
Pavilion ∠:
L/W/D (mm): 6.42*6.40*3.98
Pavilion %:

 

[telephone89]

Neither are great tbh

 

[YaGottaBelieve]

Any advice on what I should be looking for? That's about my budget (excluding tax). From what I read J color was still a good value?

 

[Niel]

Any advice on what I should be looking for? That's about my budget (excluding tax). From what I read J color was still a good value?

J's are fine, I don't believe that's probably why the previous poster wasn't a fan of the selections. Probably. I haven't read the gia certs but the most important part of the gia cert is the cut grades and angles of the diamonds. She probably talking about those.

 

[YaGottaBelieve]

Any advice on what I should be looking for? That's about my budget (excluding tax). From what I read J color was still a good value?

J's are fine, I don't believe that's probably why the previous poster wasn't a fan of the selections. Probably. I haven't read the gia certs but the most important part of the gia cert is the cut grades and angles of the diamonds. She probably talking about those.

Was under the assumption ideal depth was 58-60% and ideal table was 53-58%? Depth comes in at ideal and table comes in at excellent. They don't give the crown or pavilion percent (if I went to store sure I could get it). But from what I read some people said the depth and table don't need to be perfect? With that budget I wanted to stay within 1 carat if I could, J color, SI1 clarity and excellent cut for around $4,000-4400.

 

[Niel]

Any advice on what I should be looking for? That's about my budget (excluding tax). From what I read J color was still a good value?

J's are fine, I don't believe that's probably why the previous poster wasn't a fan of the selections. Probably. I haven't read the gia certs but the most important part of the gia cert is the cut grades and angles of the diamonds. She probably talking about those.

Was under the assumption ideal depth was 58-60% and ideal table was 53-58%? Depth comes in at ideal and table comes in at excellent. They don't give the crown or pavilion percent (if I went to store sure I could get it). But from what I read some people said the depth and table don't need to be perfect? With that budget I wanted to stay within 1 carat if I could, J color, SI1 clarity and excellent cut for around $4,000-4400.

depth down to 62.4 is acceptable... and i wouldnt personally get a table high than 57, BUT people do, so thats ok.

Aso for the crown and pavilion percentages, we do need those to really evaluate based on numbers alone, unless you could provide images.


ETA i was able to pull up that James allen one.... that does not appear to be a good performer.

 

[Niel]

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD05111388?keyword_search_value=LD05111388

 

[YaGottaBelieve]

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD05111388?keyword_search_value=LD05111388

Wow thanks for the help. I see I have more brushing up to do but this one is better simply because of the measurements or because visually there is no marks on it to the naked eye?

 

[Niel]

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD05111388?keyword_search_value=LD05111388

Wow thanks for the help. I see I have more brushing up to do but this one is better simply because of the measurements or because visually there is no marks on it to the naked eye?

I like the angles, and I just picked a VS2 because they dont provide photos so better to be safe.

 

[YaGottaBelieve]

Hmm ok thanks. Not too familiar with how the dimensions should be but I'll use that as an example for future reference, thank you.

 

[JulieN]

#1 stone, I can't find the GIA report, double check the GIA number.
#2 stone is no good.

Ask BN if they can give you a picture for Niel's pick... numbers are promising.

 

[YaGottaBelieve]

#1 stone, I can't find the GIA report, double check the GIA number.
#2 stone is no good.

Ask BN if they can give you a picture for Niel's pick... numbers are promising.

GIA report for Casale Jeweler:
http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?reportno=1162659245&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&pagename=GIA%2FDispatcher&c=Page&cid=1355954554547

Also I know both of you said the second stone was not good, can you tell me a quick explanation why? Just want to know what I did wrong when I was searching so I have something better to compare too. Second time I looked I did notice a bunch of markings. Is there a standard in dimensions that I can look for with other diamonds?

 

[JulieN]

Look at hte arrows, see how they are white? In JA's lighting, the arrows are supposed to be black. That's because the angles don't work well together.

 

[Dancing Fire]

[quote="YaGottaBelieve|
GIA report for Casale Jeweler:
http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?reportno=1162659245&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&pagename=GIA%2FDispatcher&c=Page&cid=1355954554547

Also I know both of you said the second stone was not good, can you tell me a quick explanation why? Just want to know what I did wrong when I was searching so I have something better to compare too. Second time I looked I did notice a bunch of markings. Is there a standard in dimensions that I can look for with other diamonds?[/quote]


No crown height (12.5%) + deep bottom half (44.5%) =

 

[partgypsy]

For the first stone putting the numbers into the HCA you get:

"Factor Grade
Light Return Very Good
Fire Good *
Scintillation Good *
Spread
or diameter for weight Excellent
Total Visual Performance 3.2 - Very Good - Worth buying if the price is right
Even though HCA grades cut more effectively than systems like the AGS, it does not yet factor in symmetry and minor facets. Having found a diamond that scores well, you should employ an expert appraiser to examine the stone. If you decide not to, then at least compare the diamond to others and/or view it through an ideal-scope.

A score below 2 (Excellent) means you have eliminated known poor performers (more than 95% of all diamonds). Your own personal preference may be for a diamond with an HCA score of 1.5 more rather than one with a lower score of say 0.5. "

Most people on this forum, the primary importance is having a stone with ideal cut, hence "performance" which is eliminating stones going above 2. Although this stone faces up large for its weight, it will not have the fire and play that a ideal cut diamond will.

Ideal cut stones do have a premium attached to them (cost more). Hopefully the people on the forum can help you find stone that will work for you.

 

[YaGottaBelieve]

Ok I understand it a lot better now thanks for the help. I did some research just wanted to confirm these would be the ideal measurements when looking...(the one a poster posted from Blue Nile looked like it fit almost all of these) Thanks.

Pavilion Depth: 42.2%-43.8%
Pavilion Angle: 40.6-40.9
Total Depth: 59% - 61.8% (up to 62% if crown and pavilion are tight)
Crown Angle: 33.7 - 35.8 degrees (34.3-34.8 best)
Lower Half: 78% - 82%
Star: 50%

 

[partgypsy]

If you are looking at a stone that is not graded for cut performance (Ags) then I would definitely take those numbers and use the HCA tool to eliminate stones from consideration.
The various angles can work for or against each other, so you can have 2 stones, each of whose numbers fit in those ranges, but one may have a much better performance.

 

[Niel]

Ok I understand it a lot better now thanks for the help. I did some research just wanted to confirm these would be the ideal measurements when looking...(the one a poster posted from Blue Nile looked like it fit almost all of these) Thanks.

Pavilion Depth: 42.2%-43.8%
Pavilion Angle: 40.6-40.9
Total Depth: 59% - 61.8% (up to 62% if crown and pavilion are tight)
Crown Angle: 33.7 - 35.8 degrees (34.3-34.8 best)
Lower Half: 78% - 82%
Star: 50%

Why is the lower half % excluding 75? I wouldn't discount those. Plus many avtualy prefer them c

And don't limit your depth to 61.8, you can find nice stones at 62.4

 

[tyty333]

Use the HCA tool to check stones out...
https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca

Edit- here is one from B2c jewels...It's not perfect but your budget is a tad tight for 1 carat. I only looked at stones with photos.
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-6333751-1.05-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI1-clarity.aspx