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Hello All,

So I''ve been reading up on diamonds and have found a wealth of great information on this site but am looking for a bit more advice.
I thought I would post my current situation and learn from your past experiences and feedback.

A quick background:
I split my time between the New York City and San Francisco thanks to work. I''ve had the opportunity to visit some of the diamond ring retailers like DeBeers, Tiffany (quite bit more than I would want to spend but it was done in the name of research!) as well as visited a few brick and mortar stores like Shreve & Co. I''ve had the opportunity to look at several stones under 10x magnification and am interested in the following type of stone. I would like to get the stone in NY if possible but am willing to work with reputable dealers online (like those listed on this site) for the right deal.

Round Stone
1.9 - 2.2 Carats
D - G Color
IF - SI1 Clarity (eyeclear!)

I would also like the best cut possible and this is where I believe I need the most help in identifying a diamond. A related question: What about diamonds with additional facets (I know that they tend to go by different names but typically have an additional 9 facet)? Are those available online? I saw a something129 at Shreve & Co. that was spectacular. Any and all advice/recommendations and comments are greatly appreciated!

In terms of the setting I am extremely interested in the following setting from Suna:
http://www.sunabros.com/collections/product.php?id=224&pg=4&style=R7192P
Retails for ~$2500

Now for some other facts. I would prefer to stay at my budget of $15k for the ring. Also, is it completely unrealistic to think that I can get this all done in less than 3 weeks for the proposal?

Again, thank you all ahead of time for your valuable time and feedback!
 
These 2 looks good. JA has a store front in NYC, check with them if eye-clean and request an Idealscope image if you are interested in it.

G SI1
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Premium-Cut-Round-Diamond-1097924.asp

The numbers are here.
http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=14188804&weight=2.03

And H SI1.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1249320.asp

This look similar to the setting you are interested in.

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/ring/item_412-1901.asp
 
Date: 8/3/2009 3:44:45 PM
Author:jocjo
Hello All,

So I've been reading up on diamonds and have found a wealth of great information on this site but am looking for a bit more advice.
I thought I would post my current situation and learn from your past experiences and feedback.

A quick background:
I split my time between the New York City and San Francisco thanks to work. I've had the opportunity to visit some of the diamond ring retailers like DeBeers, Tiffany (quite bit more than I would want to spend but it was done in the name of research!) as well as visited a few brick and mortar stores like Shreve & Co. I've had the opportunity to look at several stones under 10x magnification and am interested in the following type of stone. I would like to get the stone in NY if possible but am willing to work with reputable dealers online (like those listed on this site) for the right deal.

Round Stone
1.9 - 2.2 Carats
D - G Color
IF - SI1 Clarity (eyeclear!)

I would also like the best cut possible and this is where I believe I need the most help in identifying a diamond. A related question: What about diamonds with additional facets (I know that they tend to go by different names but typically have an additional 9 facet)? Are those available online? I saw a something129 at Shreve & Co. that was spectacular. Any and all advice/recommendations and comments are greatly appreciated!

In terms of the setting I am extremely interested in the following setting from Suna:
http://www.sunabros.com/collections/product.php?id=224&pg=4&style=R7192P
Retails for ~$2500

Now for some other facts. I would prefer to stay at my budget of $15k for the ring. Also, is it completely unrealistic to think that I can get this all done in less than 3 weeks for the proposal?

Again, thank you all ahead of time for your valuable time and feedback!
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If you can take a trip to LI when you are in NY, make an appointment with Jon at www.goodoldgold.com he has lots of beautiful diamonds of different types you can view.

The Leo is an extra faceted diamond sometimes seen in brick and mortar stores also the Solasfera has extra facets ( 91 and 92 if a culet is present) GOG stock these.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/Solasfera/

I will also fix your link so it is easier for others to view...

http://www.sunabros.com/collections/product.php?id=224&pg=4&style=R7192P

Before I look for some diamonds for you I assume if the setting is $2500k that you will be spending $12500 on the diamond to keep the total at 15k? In order to try to get the largest size for the budget will you consider H colour?
 
Thanks Stone-cold for the quick response!

What are your thoughts on the following stone from Solomon Brothers:

http://www.solomonbrothers.com/DiamondDetail.aspx?sku=106895&affiliate=9318613A-AD0C-4530-A456-0409DFEFB8DE

Here is a link to the EGL report:

http://www.solomonbrothers.com/Dialog.aspx?ImageUrl=http://www.solomonbrothers.com/certs/106895.gif

It appears to be quite the value. Thoughts anyone?
 
Date: 8/3/2009 4:10:42 PM
Author: jocjo
Thanks Stone-cold for the quick response!

What are your thoughts on the following stone from Solomon Brothers:

http://www.solomonbrothers.com/DiamondDetail.aspx?sku=106895&affiliate=9318613A-AD0C-4530-A456-0409DFEFB8DE

Here is a link to the EGL report:

http://www.solomonbrothers.com/Dialog.aspx?ImageUrl=http://www.solomonbrothers.com/certs/106895.gif

It appears to be quite the value. Thoughts anyone?
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GIA and AGS are said to be more reliable than EGL. Read more on this below.

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/grading.asp

http://www.solomonbrothers.com/Dialog.aspx?ImageUrl=http://www.solomonbrothers.com/certs/106895.gif

The diamond in question isn't badly cut but I would really want an Idealscope image to check the proportions out. I would suggest you work with AGS0 and GIA Excellent and Very Good cut grades.
 
Hi Lorolei,
Thanks for fixing the link!

To answer your questions...

Yes, I would consider H color and you are correct in your assumptions about my budget but there is some flex in that number and can go higher for the right deal!

Thanks again!
 
Thanks for the suggestion Mrs. W!

Is my logic sound in what I''m looking for? Am I better off looking for an ideal cut diamond or am I just as likely to be be impressed with a VG or EX cut? I''m open to suggestions.

The reality is that I''m looking for a stone that looks perfect to the eye but doesn''t necessarily need to be ''ideal''. Thoughts?
 
Not enough info on the cut of these stones. We need at least table, depth % and crown and pavilion angle as a first cut.
 
Date: 8/4/2009 1:31:20 PM
Author: jocjo
Thoughts on the following stones please...

http://www.abazias.com/database/NewDiamondInfo.asp?stock=69097312

http://www.abazias.com/database/NewDiamondInfo.asp?stock=64062292

http://www.solomonbrothers.com/DiamondDetail.aspx?sku=3Y944378&affiliate=9318613A-AD0C-4530-A456-0409DFEFB8DE
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You would need to request a copy of the grading reports to get the proportions for each, in particular the critical crown and pavilion angles. Also the second and third have EGL reports, AGS and GIA are considered to be the gold standard of grading labs and EGL are thought to be less strict in grading in some cases.
 
Date: 8/3/2009 5:39:40 PM
Author: jocjo
Thanks for the suggestion Mrs. W!

Is my logic sound in what I''m looking for? Am I better off looking for an ideal cut diamond or am I just as likely to be be impressed with a VG or EX cut? I''m open to suggestions.

The reality is that I''m looking for a stone that looks perfect to the eye but doesn''t necessarily need to be ''ideal''. Thoughts?
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Hi jocjo,
I''d suggest that you do indeed look at VG cut grade stones.
There are many combinations of proportions that are downgraded on the GIA report from EX to VG cut grade where the visual aspects might be completely unnoticeable..in fact, some observers may even prefer the stone with the lesser cut grade.
Hopefully this will also result in some savings- it should anyway!

I''m also in the camp that a stone of such a high grade MUST have either GIA or AGSL report- skip the EGLs would be my advice.

You are well within a workable time-frame as well....but I would not delay all that much longer
 
Date: 8/4/2009 1:47:25 PM
Author: Rockdiamond

Date: 8/3/2009 5:39:40 PM
Author: jocjo
Thanks for the suggestion Mrs. W!

Is my logic sound in what I''m looking for? Am I better off looking for an ideal cut diamond or am I just as likely to be be impressed with a VG or EX cut? I''m open to suggestions.

The reality is that I''m looking for a stone that looks perfect to the eye but doesn''t necessarily need to be ''ideal''. Thoughts?
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Hi jocjo,
I''d suggest that you do indeed look at VG cut grade stones.
There are many combinations of proportions that are downgraded on the GIA report from EX to VG cut grade where the visual aspects might be completely unnoticeable..in fact, some observers may even prefer the stone with the lesser cut grade.
Hopefully this will also result in some savings- it should anyway!

I''m also in the camp that a stone of such a high grade MUST have either GIA or AGSL report- skip the EGLs would be my advice.

You are well within a workable time-frame as well....but I would not delay all that much longer
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This is true, if you find any VG cut grade diamonds you like, note down everything on the report and post it here, we can help from there.
 
I would steer clear of the G due to the strong fluorescence.

Also, I think you should tighten up your ranges a little. (D-G color and IF to SI1 1.90 to 2.20ct) I would recommend you search for a G-H color, SI1 clarity, Ideal Cut in your size range. Remember, the cut (proportions not the shape) is most important for the beauty of the stone. If you can''t get the size you want for the $$, lower your clarity to SI2. A lot of SI2''s are very nice but they will have inclusions you can readily see face up with 10x magnification. They should not be eye visible. Good luck!
 
Not enough information on the cut for both stone. Avoid the stone from Icestore as it has Strong Yellow fluor as it will more likely lower the color of the stone in light with UV source while a Strong Blue fluor might help.
 
Date: 8/4/2009 3:01:46 PM
Author: jocjo
I''ve requested the detailed report on the GIA diamond.

With the above advice, what are thoughts on the following diamonds:

http://www.icestore.com/search/diamond_inventory_detail.asp?ID=21076

http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-2150805.htm

As soon as get more detailed information I''ll be sure to provide it here. Thank you all again for the great advice!
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Honestly, I''d seriously consider some of the diamonds already suggested.

Don''t forget that Pricescope people get a discount from some, if not all Pricescope vendors.

Treefrog
 
On a related note...

Its looking more and more as if I will be getting the stone and setting from two different places.

Does anyone have any recommended jewelers in the NY/NJ area to set the diamond? What should I be looking for when going into/through this process?
 
Date: 8/4/2009 3:38:38 PM
Author: jocjo
On a related note...


Its looking more and more as if I will be getting the stone and setting from two different places.


Does anyone have any recommended jewelers in the NY/NJ area to set the diamond? What should I be looking for when going into/through this process?
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Did you try mark at ERD (www.engagementringsdirect.com/)? He's super nice and can do the setting for you also
 
Date: 8/4/2009 3:38:38 PM
Author: jocjo
On a related note...

Its looking more and more as if I will be getting the stone and setting from two different places.

Does anyone have any recommended jewelers in the NY/NJ area to set the diamond? What should I be looking for when going into/through this process?
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I would also look at exceldiamonds.com
They have really nice diamonds and settings and provide lots of info too...
 
In addition to ERD and Excel, James Allen also has a New York office and Good Old Gold is just a short trip Long Island. Call for appointments with any of these vendors.
 
Interesting, a strong yellow? Does anyone have photos of this IRL (in the dark showing the yellow glow in the dark effect?)
 
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