Kerry''s going to concede at 1:00

[fire&ice]

At least that''s what they are saying. He is traveling to Faniel Hall & will announce at 1

0. Just a head''s up if someone wants to watch.

 

[lmurden]

I''m conceding! /idealbb/editor/cute/images/emcry.gif

I guess it''s another 4 years. I must admit that I am disappointed but I and many others will survive!

One thing for sure is that the President,the Republican Senate and Republicans in general can not blame the economy, jobs going over seas, the Iraq war, religious right taking over, or anything else on the "Liberals". The people will have a total of 8 years to see if they liked the direction that the President has put this country in. Oh well life goes on.

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 11/3/2004 12:25

1 PM
Author: Feydakin

Steve - prophet of doom

At least on that we can agree.

Do you really think the libs are going anywhere? Nope, they are here to stay. Just some may be in morning now.

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 11/3/2004 11:57:10 AM
Author: lmurden

can not blame anything else on the ''Liberals''.. Oh well life goes on.

Hey, I can blame anything I darn well choose on the Liberals. Why isn''t the sun out today?

 

[lmurden]

I am optimistic that all voices will be heard and that the country will move back to the center in the future. One thing that I''m tired of is Republican radio talk shows calling everybody who isn''t Republican a "liberal" and insinuating that "we" are anti-American. This only feeds the fire in my opinion, but I will continue to hope for the best.

 

[yellowfan]

inted that Kerry is conceding. I was hoping for Mr. Kerry as our next president. I know that I am tired of the war going on with my neighbors being called to go to Iraq this week. They are still sending ppl in and its devastating to the families and friends of these fine folks, especially at the holidays. Needless to say, as a huge Democratic and Kerry supporter, its just a sad day for us.

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 11/3/2004 12:43:52 PM
Author: lmurden

I am optimistic that all voices will be heard and that the country will move back to the center in the future. One thing that I''m tired of is Republican radio talk shows calling everybody who isn''t Republican a ''liberal'' and insinuating that ''we'' are anti-American. This only feeds the fire in my opinion, but I will continue to hope for the best.

True. But, try being a true Moderate.

You hear it from both sides! And, I will continue to take the heat from both sides.

What does Rush say - a moderate is the worst - at least a liberal can own up to being a liberal. But then, I really don''t care what an "actor" has to say. He''s just puttin on a show.

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 11/3/2004 12:51:15 PM
Author: crankydave
Speech now scheduled for 2

0 pm eastern.

Dave

Thanks for the head''s up. I have no doubt that Kerry will handle himself well. And, I hope he inspires his followers to continue their charge.

 

[lmurden]

My fiance'' is in Iraq but we are lucky because we don''t have any children and both work so we are financial ok but I do miss him.

As a democrat hold your head up high and think of 2008!

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 11/3/2004 12:55:41 PM
Author: lmurden
My fiance'' is in Iraq but we are lucky because we don''t have any children and both work so we are financial ok but I do miss him.

As a democrat hold your head up high and think of 2008!

Sorry.

Hillary vs Rudy tickets. And, I found it odd that Rudy has been/was today soooooo exposed in the media. I wonder if he will take a appointment? Homeland Security? Ridge did *not* deliver PA. I would like to see him as Attorney General over Ashecroft.

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 11/3/2004 12:58:25 PM
Author: crankydave
People in general are reluctant to change. Given the world climate, I believe many folks were even more reluctant change. What disappoints me is how poor the turnout was for young (18-2 americans.

Dave

I concur & it was quite a surprise. 17% in 2000 - 17% in 2004.

 

[lmurden]

There is nothing wrong being a moderate!

I''m sorry but I don''t want to be associated with the "Religious Right". I like have separation of Church and State! I like having a choice of what to do with my own body ! And I don''t think all government is bad!

At the same time I don''t want to be associated with the "Ultra Liberals" an any thing goes. Putting the concerns of foreign nations above the US or total Socialism or Communisism.

 

[yellowfan]

LMurden,

I pray your Fiance'' makes it home safely from Iraq.


Cranky Dave,
I too was highly disappointed in the younger adults. People should vote.

 

[lmurden]

Thanks Yellowfan! I don''t know what it takes for the youth to vote.

 

[ForteKitty]

Date: 11/3/2004 1:18:30 PM
Author: lmurden
Thanks Yellowfan! I don''t know what it takes for the youth to vote.

I think schools have major impacts on voting. My Jr. high and High School were very active when it came to politics, and it made a deep impact on my peers. Anyone who stopped by during election year would have thought they stepped into a campaign headquarter. The principle even called the police during one of our class debates for the Clinton-Bush election because he thought we were going to have a riot! Imagine that... a bunch of 13 yr olds rioting over the Presidential election!

I couldn''t wait to register to vote, and my sister did that the day she turned 18. We''re not all bad!!

 

[stephinextremis]

Date: 11/3/2004 1

4:27 PM
Author: lmurden

There is nothing wrong being a moderate!

I''m sorry but I don''t want to be associated with the ''Religious Right''. I like have separation of Church and State! I like having a choice of what to do with my own body ! And I don''t think all government is bad!

At the same time I don''t want to be associated with the ''Ultra Liberals'' an any thing goes. Putting the concerns of foreign nations above the US or total Socialism or Communisism.

Ahhhh...we''re in the same boat. I''m young, too, only 23, and most of my friends have spent the last ten or so hours just RANTING...some going so far as to call me ignorant or misinformed. *sighs*

Stephanie

 

[lmurden]

I''m 33 and I''m not misinformed and I am darn proud to be a Democrat!

 

[marriahlyn]

I''m 28 and from Indiana so you can guess where my vote went

I''m proud to be Republican and I am very against abortion except in extreme cases. I guess that comes mostly from spending $60K+ and still no baby........would love to adopt those babies who are not wanted. I am also against gay marriage although I do have some lovely friends who are homosexuals and I think they should have some kind of family type benefits.

 

[lmurden]

Everybody doesn''t believe in giving up their child for adoption and there are tons of children that are alive that could be adopted. I wish that people cared about the children that are already here that need loving parents.

 

[jenwill]

Date: 11/3/2004 3:11:38 PM
Author: marriahlyn
I am also against gay marriage although I do have some lovely friends who are homosexuals and I think they should have some kind of family type benefits.

I am in Barcelona right now and have no way of seeing the concession speech, but have every confidence that Kerry will handle himself well, and give no reason for bashing.

I know this probably won''t be popular since everyone seems so down on France, but perhaps on the gay marriage topic we should approach marriage like the French do- not that they allow gay ''marriage'' but to take the religious component out of what is basically a governmental function.

If we separate out the fact that ''marriage'' is actually a religious thing that the government shouldn''t have anything to do with, from the ''civil union'' portion which entitles the union to have the rights of inheritance, insurance etc. that the government does have something to say about, we could perhaps take some of the heat and hatred that this topic seems to engender among the far religious right.

In France most people have 2 ''weddings''. One is the civil ceremony which gives the rights of couple-dom to the union. This is the government ceremony, is pretty dry and contains no referrences to religion. This is what makes people ''joined'' in the eyes of the government. Then they can choose to have any type of religious wedding that they want. This is what makes many people ''joined'' and ''married'' in their eyes, and in their religion.

This solution would allow those religions who do not think that ''God'' approves of homosexuals to not ''marry'' them in the eyes if their god. And those religions that are more inclusive could ''bless'' the marriage. And the government is only involved in the giving of rights.

Of course this only works if you assume that gay people are deserving of any rights at all, which many on the religious and/or conservative right do not feel is true. Not saying you Marriahlyn, as you already stated that you feel that they should have some rights- just that I know of several ''conservatives'' who so abhor homosexuality in any form that it is scary.

Sorry to hijack the thread-

If anyone could post how his speech went I would appreciate it.

 

[SJS1234]

I''m 31 and a republican who believes that women should be able to make her own decisions about her body and that EVERY person deserves equal rights, regardless of lifestyle. I don''t believe that the govenrment should tell me or my loved ones or anyone else how to "define" or "live" their lives. I do however believe in a strong (though limited) government, willing and able to protect our security and our economy without influence from the liberal media. I do not agree with many of W''s beliefs, but I commend him on his unwillingness to let the media sway his actions. He is a strong leader, and when it comes right down to it, that''s exactly what we need right now. Social issues are going to continue to work themselves out as they always have. The majority will (& should) rule on that. HOWEVER, the majority is, frankly, ignorant on foreign policy and other critical issues that really do matter on a day to day basis. I sure as heck don''t want my limited knowledge to be the basis for decisions overseas -- I mean I am perfectly fine with admitting that I definitely don''t know what''s best all of the time -- I just don''t have the resources. Too bad so many celebrities, living in their happy-bubbles, think otherwise. Who wants to see Leonardo Dicaprio make those decisions? not me!!

ANYWAY! I''m thankful that we all have the RIGHT to get out and vote, and that so many of us DID that this year -- regardless of the candidate they chose! Way to go y''all!!

 

[jenwill]

Date: 11/3/2004 1:18:30 PM
Author: lmurden
Thanks Yellowfan! I don''t know what it takes for the youth to vote.

Don''t forget- at one time we were all part of the low voter turn-out age group, and now are part of the higher voter turn-out groups. Perhaps the voting process gets too overwhelming for some of the younger voters, and they avoid out of fear of appearing ignorant (but, only inaction is ignorant).

I voted in my first election in 1988- the year I turned 18. But many of my friends were so totally unaware of the process- where to register, where their polling place was, what they had to do, etc, that they just didn''t get out and vote.

Perhaps there shoudl be a mandatory portion of the US government classes held in high school that goes over the process of voting- not just learning about the electoral college, and the impacts of past votes, but actual real-life teaching on registering and what is done in the voting process. We have driver''s ed, sex ed., home ec, why not voter''s ed? Even limited exposure would help.

 

[SJS1234]

I have to admit that I didn''t vote when I was young simply because I felt that I hadn''t educated myself enough on who the better candidate was. I was torn between republican and democratic stances and just really didn''t think that I had a good enough grasp to make the decision. I think that''s the case with a lot of younger people. So many celebrities and musicians press our youth to vote a certain way, but never tell them to get out there and educate themselves on the facts or how to deal with internal conflicts like I had! I think we need to not just tell our kids to vote, but help them with the resources they need to make their own decisions. When I was younger I knew how important my vote was -- that''s exactly why I didn''t do it -- because I wasn''t comfortable with the choices and didn''t know how at that point what issues were more important to me, and I didn''t want to vote a certain way just because my parents or someone on T.V told me to. I know a lot of you guys disagree.............but that''s the beauty of democracy -- it''s ok to have different beliefs!

 

[fire&ice]

We did. And, we had mock elections in several different forms (write in & some contraption that mimiced the "machine"). We also visited precincts on field trips - not on election day - and saw a demonstration of how to use the voting machine. I don''t think I have missed an election.

Perhaps there shoudl be a mandatory portion of the US government classes held in high school that goes over the process of voting- not just learning about the electoral college, and the impacts of past votes, but actual real-life teaching on registering and what is done in the voting process. We have driver''s ed, sex ed., home ec, why not voter''s ed? Even limited exposure would help.

 

[fire&ice]

Kerry did very well. Gracious, not playing the martry - but clearly doing what''s best for this country. Edwards - a different story. But, don''t get me started on him again. As an old NC crazy democat (yes, that is what we called ourselves vs those crazy bureaucats), he ended up screwing his own party. Word was Edwards wanted to do some lawyering to keep the race going.

In the end, my respect for Kerry has improved. That said, he is also the consumate politician. He''s still a Senator.

 

[hoorray]

I agree. Kerry did the right thing, and did it gracefully. No matter who you voted for, it is better for the nation to have a clean, swift and uncontested outcome.

I personally am very impressed at the election this country just completed. I thought the campaigning was too negative and focused on what the other guy did badly rather than what they would do right. In contrast, the actual election was smooth, with great voter turnout, and seemingly well informed people. I have not seen people work so hard to be informed for an election in my history of paying attention. I suppose that the fact that everything went so smoothly is sort of like the Y2k bug. It was anticipated for so long that lots of hard work before hand made everything go well.