Karl...This Is What You Said Would Happen At Your Church

[House Cat]

Civilians have a better record of getting it right than law enforcement.
So as much as people fret and worry it does not seem to happen.

Can I see a per capita source on this?

 

[arkieb1]

Yikes reading back it does sound like I'm looking for a fight about this.
Honestly I'm not, I just get a little passionate about it.
I respect your opinions on this.
I too wish for a world where crime does not happen and people do not need to defend themselves... and keep the right to own guns for hunting, sports ,and recreation but not need them for defense.
Sadly that world does not exist.

I agree there are many good people like you and Red and others on this forum that own guns, the issue isn't you guys it's the 101+ million idiots that have easy access to them that should NEVER own a gun. And while I get that it sucks making accessing guns harder for idiots impacts responsible gun owners financially and generally, if better gun control laws can indeed prevent one person getting killed then that is better than doing nothing.

 

[Karl_K]

I agree there are many good people like you and Red and others on this forum that own guns, the issue isn't you guys it's the 101+ million idiots that have easy access to them that should NEVER own a gun. And while I get that it sucks making accessing guns harder for idiots impacts responsible gun owners financially and generally, if better gun control laws can indeed prevent one person getting killed then that is better than doing nothing.

101+ million idiots, US or worldwide?
If that were the case in the US, the streets of every town would be red with the blood just from the negligent discharges.
The truth is that the vast majority of gun owners are good people and their guns have never and will never hurt anyone.

 

[Karl_K]

The National Shooting Sports Foundation estimated 2018 sales at 13.1 million firearms, down from 14 million the previous year and down 16.5 percent from record 2016 sales of 15.7 million.

U.S. gun sales down 6.1 percent in 2018, extending 'Trump slump'

U.S. firearms sales fell 6.1 percent in 2018, according to industry data reported on Tuesday, marking the second straight year of declines and extending the "Trump slump" following the November 2016 election of pro-gun rights President Donald Trump.

www.reuters.com

Excluding suicide the number of firearms deaths were:
2017 ~1600
2018 ~1500
The numbers vary a bit by source.

Gun Deaths Dropped in 2018, Excluding Suicides

For the first time in Gun Violence Archive’s 5-year history, it recorded a decline in fatal shootings.

www.thetrace.org

A very very very tiny percent of guns sold are used in gun deaths or any other crime.

 

[Karl_K]

“church’s volunteer security team”

This sentence literally makes me shiver... how sad is it that this even exists?

Many were formed not in response to gunman but child abductions from churches.
Here is one from 2009 there are many older ones not online and some recently also.

Woman charged with kidnapping baby from church told police she 'always wanted to be a mother'

Police say Tabitha Reid visited two other churches Sunday before taking an 11-month-old girl from her own church -- a crime that confounded her family and the baby's parents.

www.mlive.com

A women with mental health issues walked up a family member at a church picnic and said "your my daughter come with me" and tried to reach for her.
The security team was on it immediately and talked to the lady until police arrived.
Her mom and dad were notified where they had been helping set up and came over and collected her.
It was not the first time the lady had done it but because she did not touch her they could not arrest her that time.
That was somewhere around 16 years ago or so.

 

[arkieb1]

Worldwide I'd guess there are at least a million idiots that have guns that should never have guns, in the US I don't know but I'd hazard a guess and say it would be quite a few.....

 

[yssie]

101+ million idiots, US or worldwide?
If that were the case in the US, the streets of every town would be red with the blood just from the negligent discharges.
The truth is that the vast majority of gun owners are good people and their guns have never and will never hurt anyone.

The schools of many towns are red. Red with blood spilled by negligence in our gun sales pipelines, from manufacture to consumer storage.

The “vast majority” shouldn’t be good enough for anyone. Not when we’re talking about ownership of machines whose only purpose for existence is to kill efficiently.

Dan Helmer is a West Point grad. An army veteran. A Rhodes scholar. A husband and father. He believes we need gun safety reform... And frankly, there aren’t many people who are more qualified than he is to judge. Certainly noone on here on PS is more qualified than he is to judge. The NRA loathes him. He is my brother in law and we are very proud of him.

Dan Helmer for Virginia | Priorities

From protecting abortion access to passing gun safety reform, Dan’s focused on the issues that keep our communities safe, healthy, and strong.

www.danhelmer.com

This video and article from the Washington Post reflects the status quo that “good enough”, “responsibility by the vast majority” has yielded. It’s terrifying and it should be.

Democrat buys semi-automatic rifle at Virginia gun show in under 10 minutes

A Democratic candidate strolled into a gun show in Chantilly, Virginia, last month and purchased a semi-automatic rifle in about 10 minutes

www.newsleader.com

 

[PreRaphaelite]

I don’t have valuable input, much less solutions to this, but the scenario is exactly why I no longer go to Quaker meeting, concerts, movie premieres, big parties, or even use the Metro/Underground.

Sad for me to miss those, but I work in event management so I cannot avoid all crowds. I try to make my work the only time when I’m vulnerable to gunfire. But there’s no way to really be safe. I’m not even sure “safe” is a thing.

I’m sorry for the lives lost and our inability to find solutions.
Peace to all.

 

[AGBF]

I don’t have valuable input, much less solutions to this, but the scenario is exactly why I no longer go to Quaker meeting, concerts, movie premieres, big parties, or even use the Metro/Underground.

Sad for me to miss those, but I work in event management so I cannot avoid all crowds. I try to make my work the only time when I’m vulnerable to gunfire. But there’s no way to really be safe. I’m not even sure “safe” is a thing.

I’m sorry for the lives lost and our inability to find solutions.
Peace to all.

I am sorry you have to live this way, PreRaphaelite. That you must avoid Quaker meeting seems especially ironic.

Deb

 

[PreRaphaelite]

Thanks for meeting my comment with compassion @AGBF

When I was little, my Grandmother told the story of the seemingly random day her first husband went out to sea as usual... it was during the war, and he returned to the village to find it decimated. The enemy soldiers had rounded up all the women and children into the little church and locked them in. They shot all the adult men they could capture. Then they burned the church down.

Her message to me was, don’t listen to what the authorities say, watch what they do. And if they insist on gathering people, run the other way.

 

[redwood66]

The schools of many towns are red. Red with blood spilled by negligence in our gun sales pipelines, from manufacture to consumer storage.

The “vast majority” shouldn’t be good enough for anyone. Not when we’re talking about ownership of machines whose only purpose for existence is to kill efficiently.

Dan Helmer is a West Point grad. An army veteran. A Rhodes scholar. A husband and father. He believes we need gun safety reform... And frankly, there aren’t many people who are more qualified than he is to judge. Certainly noone on here on PS is more qualified than he is to judge. The NRA loathes him. He is my brother in law and we are very proud of him.

Dan Helmer for Virginia | Priorities

From protecting abortion access to passing gun safety reform, Dan’s focused on the issues that keep our communities safe, healthy, and strong.

www.danhelmer.com

This video and article from the Washington Post reflects the status quo that “good enough”, “responsibility by the vast majority” has yielded. It’s terrifying and it should be.

Democrat buys semi-automatic rifle at Virginia gun show in under 10 minutes

A Democratic candidate strolled into a gun show in Chantilly, Virginia, last month and purchased a semi-automatic rifle in about 10 minutes

www.newsleader.com

I thank your BIL for his service and wish him well in his campaign, you should be very proud of him. There are other vets as equally qualified who do not agree with him. We all want our kids to be safer at school and our citizens to be safer in public, the difference in opinion is how we get there.