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LTS, I feel bad you went to the book signing and she was like that. How rude. Doesn't she know better than to bite the hand that feeds her? No pictures...ha! No questions...and one word replies. Even real celebrities let you snap a photo and act happy to see you.

She drives me nuts, lets be honest. Did anyone watch the John & Kate Go Green episode? First of all, she's bananas...she wanted a typed out itinerary of exactly what was happening when. Ha! And then, when the workers would try to educate on her on the different aspects of solar paneling, she was like "I don't want to learn this" "I don't care". I felt like grabbing the TV and screaming "then why are you doing a special on it????"

Seriously...why?

If she's so stressed out...then wouldn't you think she'd cherish her time off camera? Maybe put off the solar panels until the new season started...or, better yet, do it quietly at home -- no muss/no fuss?

She likes her life chaotic. And if John wants a break from that, fine by me...I'd need a break, too!
 
I freakin love Kate. Her parenting style is right up my alley.
 
I love watching Jon and Kate Plus Eight! But since I don''t have cable I''ve resorted to watching videos on youtube. Something that I noticed while watching the last season is Jon and Kate''s body language. They have said that the couch they''re on is uncomfortable, but they never seem to touch each other while on it. It seems like they''re both trying to make as much space between them as possible. Comparing that to earlier seasons where his arm is at least behind her and they''re a lot closer, it just seems like the cameras take a huge toll on their relationship.
 
If Jon did cheat, I'm sure he had to go digging through Kate's purse first to find his . . . you know whats
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All kidding aside, I've watched the show many times, and from the initial sextuplet special to now, it just feels as if they're acting. I feel like he's fallen into this "decent Dad who allows his wife to constantly condescend and emasculate him" role and she's the "stressed out Mom of 8 kids who has SO MUCH stress and NEEDS the control!!!" role.

And really, did America expect them to not fall into these sort of characters of themselves? It's apparently what we want to see, given that nearly every sitcom or commercial on TV depicts men in the same light that this reality show does. In everything from commercials for kid's food (Chef Boyardee whole serving of vegetables commercial) to breakfast cereal (woman slapping her husband across the face) to many family sitcoms (dopey husband, Mom is the hero) men and women are painted in a "your wife knows best so you better answer to her" kind of picture.

It'll be interesting to see if they actually continue this series.
 
Date: 4/30/2009 2:26:45 PM
Author: Italiahaircolor
LTS, I feel bad you went to the book signing and she was like that. How rude. Doesn't she know better than to bite the hand that feeds her? No pictures...ha! No questions...and one word replies. Even real celebrities let you snap a photo and act happy to see you.

She drives me nuts, lets be honest. Did anyone watch the John & Kate Go Green episode? First of all, she's bananas...she wanted a typed out itinerary of exactly what was happening when. Ha! And then, when the workers would try to educate on her on the different aspects of solar paneling, she was like 'I don't want to learn this' 'I don't care'. I felt like grabbing the TV and screaming 'then why are you doing a special on it????'

Seriously...why?

If she's so stressed out...then wouldn't you think she'd cherish her time off camera? Maybe put off the solar panels until the new season started...or, better yet, do it quietly at home -- no muss/no fuss?

She likes her life chaotic. And if John wants a break from that, fine by me...I'd need a break, too!
Yeah, I really didn't walk away at all with the experience I anticipated. I thought she'd at least smile at people and say thanks for coming or something. Now, granted, I couldn't hear anything she said to other people b/c of all the noise, and because we get shuffled out of there immediately after getting the book. It's unfortunate, because I hate to downgrade and judge people. But it just really wasn't what I thought it was going to be. I'd love to know what other people who were there thought about it... there were hundreds of people in line behind me, and she was supposedly only signing for an hour. Ha.

I saw the Green episode. She seemed pretty uninterested, but she blamed it on her hatred of unorganization and projects in general.

ETA: I don't want to sound like I'm judging her, because I really try not to do that. I was not there long while she was signing, and I couldn't see her at all before or after the few moments I was at the table. So I don't know if she was smiling at people. And I don't know what she said to others. I hardly even looked up at her for long, because I was so intent on making sure I had my book and camera and purse and everything else as I was being shuffled away out of line and the people behind me were being pushed up into my place. I just know she was very quiet while she answered questions, she was backstage for a long time after that before coming out to sign, then she basically just sat down and took the first person's book. I understand that to sign as many as possible, she has to move fast. But I like to think that I'd try to smile and appear happy to people while I was signing a book about my family I loved. All those people there genuinely love Kate and were true fans, so to me I'd want to be really happy while I was there if it was me.
 
I can't watch the show anymore because I can't stand watching Kate belittle her husband. It's very uncomfortable to watch and she just gets on my nerves so I figured why bother? I actually feel bad for him. I now change the channel. I like the kids, though, they are cuties!
 
Wow I just read an article on the supposed "scandal." Sounds like he did make some poor judgements, but it also sounds like everyone that happened (or even didn''t) see him that night and other nights are trying to capitalize on his poor judgements and get their 15 minutes of fame while doing him in. It''s sad that people derive joy from others'' misfortunes - some "clubgoer" heard him calling the woman "babe" - really??? Please, get a life.
 
Date: 4/30/2009 12:37:56 PM
Author: Tacori E-ring
I don''t know. I think my life is more stressful than their lives. TLC didn''t buy me a house. I don''t have maids, nannies, chefs, assistants. My DH has to work long hours and am willing to bet Kate gets more free time (as in alone time) with 8 kids than I do.

*Hi fives Tacori*
 
Date: 4/30/2009 3:50:47 PM
Author: Feralpenchant
I freakin love Kate. Her parenting style is right up my alley.
Her parenting style is quite disrespectful with regard to her husband. As a parent she is supposed to model appropriate behavior. She acts like a queen and Jon is her servant. That''s not a good way for kids to see their parents interact. The kids are well behaved because she is a good disciplinarian but shows little compassion for anyone except herself.
 
US Weekly
EXCLUSIVE: Jon & Kate Dad's Three-Month Affair Confirmed
Tuesday May 5, 2009

In the new issue of Us Weekly (on newsstands Wednesday), five people close to the situation - including two relatives of the other woman - confirm that Jon & Kate Plus 8 dad Jon Gosselin, 32, has been having an affair with third grade school teacher Deanna Hummel.

The most explosive blow-by-blow details are revealed by Deanna's older brother - and roommate - Jason, who tells Us Weekly that he is speaking out now to set the record straight and to protect his naive sister.

"She's a nice girl, not a homewrecker," Jason tells Us Weekly. "He is a bad liar. This isn't healthy for her. But she is refusing to help herself, so here I am trying to help her myself. I hope this clears the air."

After Jon and Deanna met in mid-January at Chill Lounge in Reading, Pennsylvania (they sent each other $3 shots), Jason says Jon -- who has twins, 8, and sextuplets, 5 -- began relentlessly pursuing his sister. By mid-February, he was coming over to their Reading house.

On April 26 - while his wife Kate was traveling - Jon had Deanna over to sunbathe in his family's front lawn (see photo, left). This was just seven days after they had first been photographed together at Legends Lounge at 2 a.m. in pictures that show he is not wearing his wedding band.

At the Hummel house, Jason says Deanna and Jon would "pretty much stay locked away like two teenagers. It was weird. He's a grown man."

He also adds, "A lot of the time, it was pretty, um, gross listening to her, you know, um — how do I say this? The walls are thin. Let’s just say that. I mean, no one wants to hear his sister having sex, let alone with a married dude who's, like, almost twice her age and who has eight kids and a maybe-crazy wife. Ick. Nast."


ETA: I didn't include the link b/c I'm not sure it's allowed, but it's on the US Weekly website. They also have Jon supposidly leaving his girlfriend's house at 7:30am. Busted!
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I''ve always found Us Weekly to be pretty accurate.

The other magazines, In Touch, Life & Style, etc. aren''t always true but I have yet to see something in Us Weekly that didn''t turn out to have a shred of truth to it.
 
Seriously, WHY would you have an affair with a married man, let alone one with EIGHT children?!?!
 
And the plot thickens....

When this first broke, I was kind of skeptical...I don''t know...but I was.

But now, I don''t know...the evidence is mounting and it''s make me really doubt that Jon is being faithful.

I feel bad for Kate...even with all her flaws, no one deserves this. It''s true that shes a bit much but still...there are 8 children involved--children who will someday understand "this", child who will be put in the middle. If Jon and Kate decide to go their seperate ways, fine...but must the inner-workings of their relationship, and the proof-positive of his infidelity be splashed all over the tabloids? Why not just let their marriage dissolve quietly?

I think Kate obviously needed to know that Jon was being a scumbag...but still, can you imagine? It''s just the worst.
 
Also...I was just thinking...

Couples that feature their lives in reality shows rarely survive...with the expection of a few...most marriages that once appeared strong suddenly dissolve. So I suppose this should be much of a surprise...
 
I''m skeptical.

First of all, what brother would ever talk about his sister''s
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I''m not saying he didn''t cheat, but the whole thing is just... weird. Ratings, maybe?
 
Date: 5/6/2009 8:26:58 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor
I feel bad for Kate...even with all her flaws, no one deserves this. It''s true that shes a bit much but still...there are 8 children involved--children who will someday understand ''this'', child who will be put in the middle. If Jon and Kate decide to go their seperate ways, fine...but must the inner-workings of their relationship, and the proof-positive of his infidelity be splashed all over the tabloids? Why not just let their marriage dissolve quietly?

I''ve got to agree with you regarding the children. But I don''t feel bad for Kate one bit. She has been SO mean to him and has completely disregarded his feelings about the show and their relationship for years (at least it appears that way in interviews).

I *do* think it was very poor judgement on Jon''s part if this is indeed true. It''s one thing to cheat on your wife in a bad marriage (which I still don''t agree with...) but it''s a completely different ballgame when you have kids involved too.
 
Date: 5/6/2009 8:26:58 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor
And the plot thickens....


When this first broke, I was kind of skeptical...I don''t know...but I was.


But now, I don''t know...the evidence is mounting and it''s make me really doubt that Jon is being faithful.


I feel bad for Kate...even with all her flaws, no one deserves this. It''s true that shes a bit much but still...there are 8 children involved--children who will someday understand ''this'', child who will be put in the middle. If Jon and Kate decide to go their seperate ways, fine...but must the inner-workings of their relationship, and the proof-positive of his infidelity be splashed all over the tabloids? Why not just let their marriage dissolve quietly?


I think Kate obviously needed to know that Jon was being a scumbag...but still, can you imagine? It''s just the worst.

Agreed. I was skeptical too, until this "confirmation". I also agree that Kate should not have to go through this, even though she may not be the nicest to Jon, we do not know what their relationship is like off camera.
 
Date: 5/6/2009 8:33:19 AM
Author: elledizzy5
I''m skeptical.

First of all, what brother would ever talk about his sister''s
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I''m not saying he didn''t cheat, but the whole thing is just... weird. Ratings, maybe?
If it were me...I''d be mortified. I wouldn''t be able to function, let alone "speak" on the subject. Her whole fame is based on her "family"...and if her husband is cheating on her (and we''re talking about having a relationship outside of his marriage...not just an oopps-drunken-mistake...he''s apparently been actively part of an ongoing, long term relationship) she probably feels as though she has failed on a very basic level.

If you have ever watched the show...you''ll notice in the opening credits that Kate says something about "being in this together"....and clearly, that is no longer true. She is probably still coming to grips with this whole things...thinking of her children, damage control and how she''ll manage or what she will do now.

If it were me...I''d be hunkered down with my husband, getting our story straight and coming together so that we can give a united front--weither it be acknowledging the affair or denying it BS...something, anything but whatever it is, it''d be unified.

And I don''t believe everything is always about ratings...sometimes people make really stupid mistake and get caught...sometimes it''s just as absolutely absurd as it sounds. I think Jon got caught with his pants down, so to speak. No big gimicks on family television for the sake of ratings.
 
Date: 5/6/2009 8:35:46 AM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 5/6/2009 8:26:58 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor
I feel bad for Kate...even with all her flaws, no one deserves this. It''s true that shes a bit much but still...there are 8 children involved--children who will someday understand ''this'', child who will be put in the middle. If Jon and Kate decide to go their seperate ways, fine...but must the inner-workings of their relationship, and the proof-positive of his infidelity be splashed all over the tabloids? Why not just let their marriage dissolve quietly?

I''ve got to agree with you regarding the children. But I don''t feel bad for Kate one bit. She has been SO mean to him and has completely disregarded his feelings about the show and their relationship for years (at least it appears that way in interviews).

I *do* think it was very poor judgement on Jon''s part if this is indeed true. It''s one thing to cheat on your wife in a bad marriage (which I still don''t agree with...) but it''s a completely different ballgame when you have kids involved too.
I totally agree with you that Kate is extremely disrespectful when it comes to how she interacts/addresses Jon. It''s one of the many reasons watching the show has been difficult for me. I become embarrassed for him. No one should be spoken to or about in that way...ever.

However, with that said...I still feel badly for Kate, no one should be put through this. I am not saying she is innocent...but I am saying that this is a horrible place to be, and I feel badly for her or anyone put there. I think that there are so many options when it comes to dealing with a failing marriage that cheating is something that shouldn''t even be considered or included as an option. Yes, Kate is disrespectful...but what Jon has done has taken the issue of disrespect to a whole new level.
 
Date: 5/6/2009 9:24:34 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor

Date: 5/6/2009 8:33:19 AM
Author: elledizzy5
I''m skeptical.

First of all, what brother would ever talk about his sister''s
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ing habits to a magazine? And why hasn''t Kate said anything?

I''m not saying he didn''t cheat, but the whole thing is just... weird. Ratings, maybe?
If it were me...I''d be mortified. I wouldn''t be able to function, let alone ''speak'' on the subject. Her whole fame is based on her ''family''...and if her husband is cheating on her (and we''re talking about having a relationship outside of his marriage...not just an oopps-drunken-mistake...he''s apparently been actively part of an ongoing, long term relationship) she probably feels as though she has failed on a very basic level.

If you have ever watched the show...you''ll notice in the opening credits that Kate says something about ''being in this together''....and clearly, that is no longer true. She is probably still coming to grips with this whole things...thinking of her children, damage control and how she''ll manage or what she will do now.

If it were me...I''d be hunkered down with my husband, getting our story straight and coming together so that we can give a united front--weither it be acknowledging the affair or denying it BS...something, anything but whatever it is, it''d be unified.

And I don''t believe everything is always about ratings...sometimes people make really stupid mistake and get caught...sometimes it''s just as absolutely absurd as it sounds. I think Jon got caught with his pants down, so to speak. No big gimicks on family television for the sake of ratings.
Sad to say, but I do usually think everything is about ratings. Maybe because I watch "The Hills"...


I wish they''d just come out with it. Together, separate, deny it, lie, scream, cry...whatever. Just SAY something together. Its bugging me!
 
Elle, if this really is real...thats probably why they aren''t pubically speaking...it takes a lot of time to wrap your mind around this sort of issue. And, they are probably thinking of their children...yes, the kids are young...but they won''t always be children...in time they will able to google their parents. They are actually smart in my opinion to really spin how things are going to go down from this point forward...
 
Date: 5/6/2009 9:47:44 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor
Elle, if this really is real...thats probably why they aren''t pubically speaking...it takes a lot of time to wrap your mind around this sort of issue. And, they are probably thinking of their children...yes, the kids are young...but they won''t always be children...in time they will able to google their parents. They are actually smart in my opinion to really spin how things are going to go down from this point forward...
Oh I''m sure. I understand this will take time and they have a family to think of. But purely from a spectators position, I wish they''d just wrap it up already. I wasn''t really being "considerate" in wanting them to just come out already. I was thinking of it more as TV drama, c''mon.. cliffhanger... wrap it up.

As someone concerned for the marriage and the poor kids who will undoubtedly suffer, yes, I see why they choose to wait. I''m sure if this is all true, Kate is suffering terribly right now. I can''t imagine what its like in their house right. I feel bad for all parties involved.

They''re celebrities now, and I demand full access to their personal lives!
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Would you consider their marriage to be totally over? Do you think Kate will maybe acknowledge her part in this? Or is she clubbing Jon over the head every minute and only placing blame on him? I see her as totally going into blaming him mode, but not seeing her part in this. Yes, Jon screwed up totally, IF this is true, but a ''happy husband'' doesn''t go looking for other women. Wives have a responsibility too, men need to be built up by their wives, not torn down and belittled, like a little child, especially ON CAMERA. I think their marriage would have a chance, IF Kate owns up to her faults and IF Jon repents and IF they forgive each other. Again, NO excuse for cheating, but what is harder to overcome, YEARS of verbal abuse and put downs from Kate, or a few months of an affair by Jon? They both have a lot of emotional stuff to sort out...but if they chose to work on it, I bet they could save their marriage.


D. Phil anyone? He could set them BOTH straight!
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I myself can''t watch the show anymore, if they''d do a Kids Only series I''d totally watch it, because it''s those little guys that make the whole thing worthwhile. It''s just not comfortable to sit there and watch a demoralizing relationship start to crumble over the course of a few years- at least not to me.
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I started watching when it first started showing because I fell for Aaden and Alexis- those babies are adorable (as are all of them), but really had no interest in the free stuff J&K reaped because of their "fame".

I honestly don''t think they''ll ever divorce, what about child support and spousal support? Jon would never be able to keep his current standard of living if he should have to pay out monthly. I have heard their state is an income-based child custody state, but what if both spouses don''t work (as has been reported in the media- grain of salt?)? Honestly, I wonder if they don''t have some kind of "situation" already- as long as they keep it out of the media.

The real question that may have been asked here before, but I didn''t read the previous replies, if Kate was out of town doing a book tour, why the hell was Jon out at 2am with some girl? Sure the kids have nannies and helpers, but what''s up with that? That''s not good parenting, I''d assume.
 
The saddest part about this to me is that they took a blessing and went public to share their lives and now it is turning into a nightmare - whether or not it is true. If they had kept their lives private and went along living, I don''t think Jon''s alleged affair would make headline news and be such a public scandal. It''s hard enough to deal with alleged marital infidelity, let alone publicly and for all children to later research and find out every detail, comment, judgment, etc.

Although I in no way condone extramarital affairs or relationships and I will never understand anyone''s choice to cheat or that sort of behavior, none of us are in a position to judge Jon. Like many of you have posted, Kate isn''t particularly kind to him. But I think that is just a piece of it - can you imagine the stress of supporting and raising 8 children (he''s unemployed now though, right?), along with tv cameras in your face all day?

Not to mention, people cheat every single day . This is not uncommon and happens to millions of people. Personally, I feel there is a significant difference between a one-night slip-up and a continuing affair, neither of which are excusable or ever justified, but there is a difference. In either case, I''d be mortified if it happened to me, but this happens far more common than many of us realize and I think as humans, we just aren''t perfect.

In any event, if this is true I genuinely hope their family can work through this, because it is truly a tragedy that nobody should have to experience.
 
How did Kate not know about the chick sunbathing on their front lawn. Kids that age can''t keep anything to themselves. I would think they''d blab first thing.
 
Date: 5/6/2009 10:34:31 AM
Author: Hudson_Hawk
How did Kate not know about the chick sunbathing on their front lawn. Kids that age can''t keep anything to themselves. I would think they''d blab first thing.
Jon probably gave the kids a seemingly reasonable, benign explaination...maybe she was a production assistant, maybe she was a helper...who knows. The kids trust their father...and probably never thought twice about question him...I mean, they have had strangers in and out of their home practically since they were born.

I mean, if the kids were even home, or not with the nanny...
 
Yea, I don''t think the kids would be suspicious (tho maybe Cara and Maddie would question it), but the little ones LOVE new people and get really excited when new folks are around. And I don''t think Kate would fall for the old "oh her? She''s just the new PA inappropriately sunbathing on our lawn while at work" line...
 
It isn't looking good for Jon, is it?

Someone in a gossip community I lurk in (
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Date: 4/30/2009 4:50:14 PM
Author: LaurenThePartier
If Jon did cheat, I''m sure he had to go digging through Kate''s purse first to find his . . . you know whats
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All kidding aside, I''ve watched the show many times, and from the initial sextuplet special to now, it just feels as if they''re acting. I feel like he''s fallen into this ''decent Dad who allows his wife to constantly condescend and emasculate him'' role and she''s the ''stressed out Mom of 8 kids who has SO MUCH stress and NEEDS the control!!!'' role.

And really, did America expect them to not fall into these sort of characters of themselves? It''s apparently what we want to see, given that nearly every sitcom or commercial on TV depicts men in the same light that this reality show does. In everything from commercials for kid''s food (Chef Boyardee whole serving of vegetables commercial) to breakfast cereal (woman slapping her husband across the face) to many family sitcoms (dopey husband, Mom is the hero) men and women are painted in a ''your wife knows best so you better answer to her'' kind of picture.

It''ll be interesting to see if they actually continue this series.
100% agree with this!!

As for the original topic at hand, put me in the camp that can no longer watch this show because of Kate and the way she treats her husband. I can''t believe he would even stand for it and on national TV no less. My husband is the nicest guy on this planet and he would never stand for me treating him like that and especially not in front of other people.

The new allegations are interesting. I''m curious to see what statement is given from John now...
 
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