Jewelry Designers that are blacklisted?

[ilzho]

Hello:

Does anyone know of a list of manufacturers or designers, that are 'blacklisted'?

In other words, ones that have been sued, named in lawsuits, been arrested in the past, etc?

If I want to do business with some vendors and potential give them millions, I would want to know their history,background and ethics.

Does this type of list exist?
Or do I need to hire a lawyer to search through the bottom feeders to find the honest ones?
Thanks

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Actually, you can come here for names of the ones we have worked with and whose work is proven. That is more useful than a list of ones not to use.

 

[Gypsy]

Millions? What are you buying? If you are buying anything worth millions you can afford a lawyer to do the due diligence you would do for any business venture. And I highly recommend a top firm that specializes in that type of work.

 

[kenny]

With that kind of money on the line I wonder if they FBI would talk to you.

 

[JaneSmith]

Do you mean actual millions of dollars, or the lay persons 'millions of dollars' exaggeration?

Because if you mean actual millions, you are going about things in an odd manner.

 

[ilzho]

We all know that the jewelry industry attracts a lot of bottom feeders which is unfortunate.
I can type in jewelry lawsuits in google and see all kinds of shady activity of big vendors.
It would just make sense if JVC or someone had a list of the questionable ones in the industry.

 

[ilzho]

I do not have millions. If I did I would be in Fiji, resting and relaxing

 

[Gypsy]

Okay then. Why don't you, avoiding any further hyperbole, tell us what you want to buy (including your REAL budget) and we'll recommend a short list of vendors and then you can follow up with the BBB or the Jeweler Association or the Attorney General's Office of the state they are in and decide for yourself who meets your standards.

And as a point of clarification. The jeweler's industry is staffed by individuals. And some may be morally compromised but as with anything-- there are good individuals and not so good individuals. If you think the jewelry trade is particularly bad, I don't suggest you go mattress or car shopping anything soon-- and you should avoid any politicians or stock brokers as well. Not to mention Catholic priests.

 

[ilzho]

With someone who has 20 years in the jewelry industry I am always amazed that some vendors are still around, after changing their personal name 2-3 times, their company name a few times to try to skirt the real issue of being honest and ethical.

I'm just passionate enough in the industry to say it's time to weed out the ones that give this industry a bad name.

It's doesn't matter if they immigrated from Iran, India or Greece or if they are in NY or CA.

The industry needs to crack down.

I realize there are many great companies in this industry, and I would like to keep it this way.

 

[canuk-gal]

With someone who has 20 years in the jewelry industry I am always amazed that some vendors are still around, after changing their personal name 2-3 times, their company name a few times to try to skirt the real issue of being honest and ethical.

I'm just passionate enough in the industry to say it's time to weed out the ones that give this industry a bad name.

Well, then, apparently you don't need anyone's help.

Next?

 

[ilzho]

canuk-gal You're missing the point.

There are thousands of vendors

 

[canuk-gal]

canuk-gal You're missing the point.

There are thousands of vendors

You are correct. Sorry.

Explain it to me. Point by point.

S

 

[JaneSmith]

With someone who has 20 years in the jewelry industry...

Why are you asking us for a blacklist, you should have one by now.

It's (sic) doesn't matter if they immigrated from Iran, India or Greece or if they are in NY or CA.

What does this have to do with it?

 

[ilzho]

What I am trying to say is that it doesn't matter where the money backer of the company is from, the owner, the board, the designer of a company is from.... there are bad apples in any industry, in any company and that is a shame.

There are a lot of great companies in this industry and a lot of wonderful people, but it's getting to a point that it's hard to tell the good from the bad.
There's no list of the great companies, there's no list of the bad companies.
Occasionally you might find something in the news about a bad one or a good one. JCK might write and article about great companies or questionable ones and I think that this is good.

All I am trying to say is that it would benefit this industry if there is an identifiable way to tell the questionable companies from the outstanding companies without having to ask everyone (although that is a valuable tool), looking it up on the internet, hiring a lawyer, checking the office of the attorney general, BBB, etc...
This is all I am trying to say.

Sorry if I confused you all.

 

[UberClaire]

.....well PriceScope has a list of recommended vendors with long histories of high quality product and great service. Is that good enough?
This post is bizarre.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Yes, this forum exists so that consumers can give positive and negative reviews. And there have been some negative reviews of jewelers who have scammed people. But most of the time, people come here to ask who is good to make a certain thing, and we tell them who is highly recommended and there are photos of their work to prove it. There are a handful of vendors that I'd buy a diamond from. There is a lot of opportunity to be taken advantage of in that area if one is not careful.

 

[yssie]

What I am trying to say is that it doesn't matter where the money backer of the company is from, the owner, the board, the designer of a company is from.... there are bad apples in any industry, in any company and that is a shame.

There are a lot of great companies in this industry and a lot of wonderful people, but it's getting to a point that it's hard to tell the good from the bad.
There's no list of the great companies, there's no list of the bad companies.
Occasionally you might find something in the news about a bad one or a good one. JCK might write and article about great companies or questionable ones and I think that this is good.

All I am trying to say is that it would benefit this industry if there is an identifiable way to tell the questionable companies from the outstanding companies without having to ask everyone (although that is a valuable tool), looking it up on the internet, hiring a lawyer, checking the office of the attorney general, BBB, etc...
This is all I am trying to say.

Sorry if I confused you all.

Idealism with a dose of reality would be more useful.


Given that there isn't an industry in the world without its share of amoral and unethical folk, can you think of any other industry that has a "blacklist" pinned to the public billboard for all and sundry to see?

Can you think of any industry in the world wherein businesses do not have blacklists that are shared privately - key word private?

Do you truly think a "blacklist" would be up-to-date for more than ten minutes, given that unscrupulous vendors in all trades simply move on under new guises?

Who would be responsible for this list? That person/party would need "insider" information, and would have to stay on top of it 24/7.
Who would pay for the creation and maintenance?
By what criteria would the listkeeper decide that a given vendor should or should not be blacklisted? Who decides that criteria?
Who would be responsible for fact-checking?
Who would be responsible for ensuring the list is not biased? Who would be responsible for ensuring that the party ensuring that the list is not biased is not biased, and does not have his own agenda?
What happens when a vendor is wrongly blacklisted, or feels that he has been wrongly blacklisted (it is inevitable)? Whose pocket does that compensation come from?


Are you volunteering?


ETA: Oh, I just noticed you say you already have two decades of experience in the industry.
That just makes your posts all the more baffling, I'm afraid.

 

[Snicklefritz]

Doesn't sound like the OP has any particular jewelry project in mind.

OP, as someone who's spent 20 years in the industry, these designers you want blacklisted wouldn't be some of your competition would they?

 

[denverappraiser]

You might try joining the jewelers board of trade if your in the industry. They don't exactly have the 'blacklist' you're looking for but it'll tell you who's been around for a while, who is doing a decent volume of business and who pays their bills. My observation is that the bad guys don't generally last long and they don't just screw their customers, they screw their vendors and their employees as well. Google and Yelp are often helpful tools in researching a company, as is the BBB. I would NEVER want some industry monitor making a blacklist or a whitelist that a merchant needs to suck up to. The opportunity for corruption in such a system would be horrendous.

 

[Mayk]

With someone who has 20 years in the jewelry industry I am always amazed that some vendors are still around, after changing their personal name 2-3 times, their company name a few times to try to skirt the real issue of being honest and ethical.

I'm just passionate enough in the industry to say it's time to weed out the ones that give this industry a bad name.

It's doesn't matter if they immigrated from Iran, India or Greece or if they are in NY or CA.

The industry needs to crack down.

I realize there are many great companies in this industry, and I would like to keep it this way.

With 20 years experience why the questions on SMTB... Shouldn't you know the answer or where to find it... I don't have any clue but found it interesting this was posted over in that thread after I saw the exchange here.


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[Lee Little]

I agree that it is far more efficient to focus on the vendors that have good feedback rather than spending even a minute trying to weed out the bad ones. Like everything in life, focus on the positive is a better bet. Best regards, Lee