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Where is Ghislaine Maxwell now?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ght-after-epstein-s-apparent-suicide-n1041111
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ght-after-epstein-s-apparent-suicide-n1041111
Hubby is saying they need to look at the cell mates family to see if there is any windfall of cash or new homes etc.
I couldn’t believe how many Facebook posts yesterday morning were immediately saying the former president did it. Probably cannot post the name or will be deleted.
Was he naming names of those who also participated?
To think that “the Clintons did it” is sheer idiocy. It just doesn’t work this way. Today, they have no power. And I would not be surprised if they are short of money.
Plus, why bother. He is out of politics, she is likely not going to run again...they have already weathered one sex scandal - you'd think another one would hardly faze them. I would imagine your current president would have quite a bit more to worry about.
That said, I suspect he simply killed himself. He must have been seeing the writing on the wall...
OR86, I recall that many psychiatrists feel that the only difference btw the prisoners and the guards are the uniforms. So one qua!ification would be the willingness to administer cruel and inhuman treatment of your fellow man and a predilection for dominance and control.
The thing about prison guards and prisoners in terms of psychiatry isn't correct.OR86, I recall that many psychiatrists feel that the only difference btw the prisoners and the guards are the uniforms. So one qua!ification would be the willingness to administer cruel and inhuman treatment of your fellow man and a predilection for dominance and control.
I'm my experience, the black sheep family member in my own family chose employment as a guard at San Quentin and he confirmed the "different uni's" position. He further said that any guard who made prison guard their long-term career was most definitely an example of that and that inmates and criminals were the only faction of society the long-term guards understood and felt comfortable around.
My cousin left that job before it could destroy him (2 years) and returned to college to complete his degree and live AND work outside the prison environment and mentality.
I'm afraid you're misquoting the literature. I suspect you are referencing the Zimbardo study (1973) in which *normal* people without any apparent violent tendencies were randomly assigned into groups (pretend "prison guard" and pretend "prisoner"). Zimbardo hypothesized that it was the environment that made people behave the way that they do, not anyone's inherent predilection for dominance or control, which is exactly what his study showed. That normal, non-violent (mostly graduate student) participants were able to turn cruel when put into situations that pulled for that kind of behaviour - particularly when people are dehumanized (the "prisoners" were not allowed names) and when anonymity is offered (the "guards" also did not use names and were given uniforms that included dark glasses that masked their faces from the prisoners). So the conclusion that the difference between prisoners and guards was only the uniforms was made with the caveat that this is true for every single one of us and was never intended to imply that the people who become prison guards as a profession are sociopaths.
Other studies have replicated this finding - like the Milgram experiments where once again normal, well-adjusted, non-violent people were shown to be willing to administer (what turned out to be fake) torturous electric shocks to people that they did not know under conditions where they felt that people in authority were ordering them to do so.
So there is actually nothing to support the idea that prison guards are just naturally cruel and inhuman. In fact, they are typically carefully screened (at least here in Canada) by psychological assessments as part of the hiring process (just like law enforcement officers are) to ensure that they are not naturally inclined to dominate or abuse people. Most corrections officers here typically have degrees in criminology (just like border security officers), and the pay is on par with any other unionized government job (so quite high), with full benefits and additional danger pay, making it one of the higher paid professions that one can do with an undergraduate degree.
I will also jump in and agree with @redwood66 that this is a hard job and burn out is high. It is not made easier either by the low view that the general public tends to have of people who do it based on what is portrayed on TV and in movies. And the job does sometimes make people hard. But many jobs do. Talk to a cop or an ER doc or a paramedic sometime...
I worked for several years at a maximum security federal prison (not as a guard) and I can say that it is not at all TV and movies would have you believe that it is. "Prison Justice" is really rare, because there are a whole host of policies and procedures that must be followed to prevent it. Those known to be at risk are as a matter of course placed in protective custody. Every incoming inmate is fully assessed over a 12 week period in a separate unit to determine what risk they might be in if they were to be placed in general population as well as what risk they might pose to others. Gang members from opposing gangs are identified and every effort is made to house them separately (in different prisons if need be). Those posing known threats to each other for other reasons are generally separated, and any violent incident resulting in death prompts an inquest where staff are subject to an intense level of scrutiny. Violent events (apart from someone unpredictably punching someone) are pretty rare, and violent events resulting in death even more so.
Suicides are also scrutinized through a mandatory inquest process that is triggered every single time someone dies in custody. No-one I have ever worked with would be inclined to 'turn their back' for 30 minutes - not only because most people aren't like that, but also because of the level of scrutiny that would fall on you if something happened. And people really don't need tools to kill themselves. Most suicides in prison are done by people by means of asphyxiating themselves with their clothes or with bed sheets (rarely from anything high either; most often they tie whatever they are using to the top of their bed and use their body weight to asphyxiate themselves or to a bar of their cell and then they roll their body weight over top of the ligature to tighten it). It does not take long for unconsciousness to occur, and about 3 - 4 minutes for brain damage to start to occur. It is really, really hard to keep people alive who are determined not to be. Even in places where you are watching them.
But the US system may be very different. I would suspect not enough though to make some of the wilder conspiracy theories true. Plus, Epstein was of an age where he might have just had a garden variety heart attack. We won't know until the autopsy is done.
@cmd2014 I can only imagine that your post is in response to some nasty comment made by a PSer I have on ignore and doesn't know jack of what she speaks. Not even worth this amount of words I am typing. Thank you for taking so much time, you are exactly right on everything you offered.
I was responding to the expressed idea by a few people here that all correctional service officers are psychopaths who enjoy domineering and abusing people and that this is the only qualification for the job (and that Epstein couldn’t commit suicide in jail without a guard’s help, and that his death must have either been an assisted suicide or a murder that was covered up).
The purpose of the study was to determine whether some of the abuses that had been seen in prisons at the time were because of the personality traits of the guards or the demand characteristics of the situation.
But neither of this or Yevgenia Ginsburg’s book has any bearing on what happens in real prisons in Western countries in modern times. I have no doubt that Stalin era prisons were horrendous and that people were tortured. But this just isn’t the reality in modern prisons in North America.
It is interesting that my post was chosen to respond to the idea that all correctional service officers are psychopaths. Definitely I did not express this idea.
IMO forget Clinton and forget Trump. That would be too obvious. There are more people involved in this sordid tale that people do no think twice about.Plus, why bother. He is out of politics, she is likely not going to run again...they have already weathered one sex scandal - you'd think another one would hardly faze them. I would imagine your current president would have quite a bit more to worry about.
That said, I suspect he simply killed himself. He must have been seeing the writing on the wall...
We don't know what has happened, even if he did it himself, he had to have "tools" smuggled in. But let us see what autopsy tells.
Don't they use paper sheets in correctional centers?All he needed was one sheet.
Don't they use paper sheets in correctional centers?
Never in any where I worked. Cotton/poly blend.Don't they use paper sheets in correctional centers?
Actually, this is a good tool for suicidal prisoners. Should be changed to paper. MOO.Never in any where I worked. Cotton/poly blend.
Prisons in California have laundry facilities where the inmates work, but inmates on suicide watch do not have sheets or any clothing, just boxers. They are monitored 24/7 while on suicide watch, they are allowed amenities such as a blanket, jumpsuit, etc. once they progress with the psychiatrist/psychologist. The cost for throw away sheets for all inmates would be enormous.Actually, this is a good tool for suicidal prisoners. Should be changed to paper. MOO.