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Phoenix

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I'm buying this stone from JA:

Specs:

Pear-shaped
H colour
SI2 clarity
Measurements: 12.91-8.82x5.27
Depth: 60%
Table: 60%

Jim has told me the stone is eye-clean (at more than 6 inches, one cannot see anything) and the diamond is gorgeous. I'll attach a picture below. Jim has told me there is no durability issue (and I trust him, I've bought from Jim before). Apparently, "there is a feather on the right side of the diamond down towards the point…but that feather is small and although it does extend from the crown to the pavilion", this does not affect durability.

I am planning to get Leon to set it in either of two settings shown below in the post below (waiting to hear from Leon). My only concern is that the stone might be chipped or damaged when it is set, as I understand there *might* be a risk (however small that risk is) of a stone being damaged when it is set (pls someone correct me if I am wrong here). I seem to remember reading that Kristy Darling got hers set by Leon and she discovered a very teeny tiny chip on her diamond afterwards - which I think she eventually left alone, again I could be wrong here. Also, I had my two earring studs set by a local jeweller and they came back with a big scratch on the table of one of the stones and I couldn't easily prove that the jeweller had done it. Well, I KNOW i did not cause that scratch because I am always extremely careful with my diamonds, I never put my diamonds next to each other or amongst other things that might scratch them. I'd had them valued by a gemologist some time before having them set, and there'd been no problem there; and I thought of producing this report to the local setter but decided against it because they could have argued that I scratched it between the time I'd had the diamonds valued and the time they set the studs.

So my question is how do I go about protecting myself against such an event, *IF* and when it does occur? I am sure Leon would be extremely careful and I also trust Jim to tell me if there's any existing scratch or chip on the diamond. However, if there's any problem with the stone when it comes back (or rather when I receive it - and I plan to have it inspected and reappraised by a local gemologist anyway in any event, who will not charge more than US$150 for it), then what should I do and what would be my recourse? What I mean is (and again I am probably being paranoid here) if such a situation were to arise, who would take the responsibility? Would I have to bear the loss in value? How do I go about preventing my having to take the loss in such an event (sorry, it's late here and I am sure I'm rambling).

Should I for example have Jim send the stone to an independent appraiser before sending it to Leon and then after the ring has been done, have the ring sent back to the same appraiser before Jim sends it to me? And if I do this, how much would it likely to cost me?

Any suggestion or comment would be welcome.
 
Ooops, not sure what''s happened to the pic.

Attempting to attach the pic again...

JA 3.5ct Pear.JPG
 
beautiful stone.

I think it would look divine in a setting like this too..........

Leon Pears.jpg
 
Phoenix, I would express your questions/concerns to Leon himself beforehand. He knows best how something would be handled in the even something unfortunate happened.

And I would either go with the second setting, or the one po posted is tasty too, very nice!
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Date: 5/30/2008 12:08:15 PM
Author: Po10472
beautiful stone.


I think it would look divine in a setting like this too..........


Ooooohhhhh, yeah. That is a winner. Gorgeous!
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All are beautiful so I can''t help you there :).

In terms of chipping I think you best recourse of action is making sure you have the stone insured and covered while being set and if something happens it is covered as far as I am aware (though I can''t find it on his site currently) the chances are really low but he will not take responsibility.
 
Thanks for yr compliment and suggestion, PO10472 and Ninama.

That setting looks beautiful but I already have a 3-diamond RHR (albeit with RB stones). Anyway, I''ve always wanted a halo''ed micropave ring, do halo micropave it is.
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Thanks anyway.
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Thank you, Ellen. I will ask Leon and will ask Jim also.

Thanks for the compliment on my choice, but Ellen, which of my two Leon options? The first or the second link I posted above?
 
Date: 5/30/2008 6:24:52 PM
Author: Deelight
All are beautiful so I can''t help you there :).

In terms of chipping I think you best recourse of action is making sure you have the stone insured and covered while being set and if something happens it is covered as far as I am aware (though I can''t find it on his site currently) the chances are really low but he will not take responsibility.
Thanks, Deelight. They''re all beautiful, aren''t they? It makes choosing very very hard
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I was thinking insurance myself too, but not sure if I can get my local Chubb to cover the diamond (whilst it is being set outside of Singapore, before I receive the ring here). An alternative is to ask Jim to buy insurance for me specifically to cover that, or are you aware by any chance if the insurance from the vendor (which comes included in the price) already covers that?

In terms of getting an independent appraiser to look at the stone before and after it is being set, what do you think about that?

Thanks for yr help.
 
The second one gets my vote.
 
I like the 2nd one better.
 
Who is responsible for damage to a diamond when it is being set is a tough issue. Unless you have it in writing that the setter is responsible, do not expect them to be. I am not aware of any insurance that a jeweler can get that protects against damage during setting process. That is a question I posed to Jewelers Mutual Insurance Company and they said nothing like that was available. Just be sure you ask the questions in advance and get it in writing if you are concerned because after the fact, it will be your problem.

On the subject of mountings, it is a little hard to tell from just one angle which style would be best for a pear shaped diamond. How it is finished under the diamond can make a difference on the finger.
 
Date: 6/4/2008 11:33:02 PM
Author: dennyr
Who is responsible for damage to a diamond when it is being set is a tough issue. Unless you have it in writing that the setter is responsible, do not expect them to be. I am not aware of any insurance that a jeweler can get that protects against damage during setting process. That is a question I posed to Jewelers Mutual Insurance Company and they said nothing like that was available. Just be sure you ask the questions in advance and get it in writing if you are concerned because after the fact, it will be your problem.

On the subject of mountings, it is a little hard to tell from just one angle which style would be best for a pear shaped diamond. How it is finished under the diamond can make a difference on the finger.
Denny,

This has been talked about extensively here. I just searched:

JM insurance setting

and the third result from the top nails it, reviewing how JA can protect the buyer (perhaps this cannot be done for the buyer by the jeweler...but the shopper can protect themselves through Jeweler''s Mutual). It''s not straightforward, unfortunately, and you can also see me complaining in past posts that they do not substantiate what their policy apparently IS in writing...but apparently it''s been sufficiently documented here that...using the correct procedures...they will protect shoppers who wish to have their diamond set...and who choose to go through atypical means to get this done.
 
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