is this too dark? (sapphire)

[Niel]

I know this isn't a step cut, but I want a more rich color than apparently I can get with a step cut.

Could you comment on this stone?
I feel like its a pretty color. it seems cobalty to my eyes. If it has green undertones- I don't really see it.
But could you please comment on it?
Im not really looking to hear, "well do you like it" lol. I do but I don't want my eyes tricking me.
I don't mind if its heat treated.
http://mastercutgems.com/index.php?page=viewgem&id=6598

 

[FrekeChild]

I see the green/gray and I think it will be pretty dark. When I think cobalt, I think between blue and violet, and this seems to go more between blue and green.

You can get a darker step cut, they are out there. I've seen a few dark pink/maroon spinel asschers from Jeff White.

 

[Niel]

I see the green/gray and I think it will be pretty dark. When I think cobalt, I think between blue and violet, and this seems to go more between blue and green.

You can get a darker step cut, they are out there. I've seen a few dark pink/maroon spinel asschers from Jeff White.

I contacted him and he said he could cut me a 6-6.5 lavender one but in my other thread I was told it was a bit dark. :-/

 

[chrono]

A stronger green on the underside but weaker face up. The feathers look difficult to spot face up too. The downside is that the colouration isn't great, nice but not special. It has a lot of very dark, almost black areas but where it is blue is not bad. Where it is blue isn't very saturated though, showing steeliness or gray. The sale price could make it palatable to those on a tight budget wanting a large stone with okay colour. I don't understand why it is described as a medium blue when the overall colour is quite dark.

 

[Niel]

A stronger green on the underside but weaker face up. The feathers look difficult to spot face up too. The downside is that the colouration isn't great, nice but not special. It has a lot of very dark, almost black areas but where it is blue is not bad. Where it is blue isn't very saturated though, showing steeliness or gray. The sale price could make it palatable to those on a tight budget wanting a large stone with okay colour. I don't understand why it is described as a medium blue when the overall colour is quite dark.

Thank you. See I had a feeling it was dark but I'm having trouble seeing color over the screen. I can never see the undertones people are talking about. I just want a rich medium oval or step cut spinel or sapphire for like 1k or less. Its just hard I havereal trouble seeing the colors. Maybe my eyes aren't trained for this sort of thing.

 

[chrono]

Just as people in RT can pick out a potential diamond by a picture alone, here in CS, many have experience in differentiating the nuances of colour. It'll take time and seeing lots of gems to train your eyes.

 

[FrekeChild]

You say rich medium, but that's basically the trade ideal, so any rich medium blue sapphires or spinels are going to be $$$$$$$$. Adding step cut to that mix and the search gets even harder.

Would you prefer more violet or more green? If you could post a picture of the color you'd be interested in, that would be helpful. Pink? Blue? Green? Purple? Red?

ETA:
http://www.acstones.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=139&idproduct=3870

 

[smitcompton]

Hi,

I think Freke has a very nice blue spinel for sale on Loupe Troupe. I think its an oval but you should check it out.
If I've given incorrect information, please someone correct it. Or, perhaps the stone has sold. Its under 1,000.00


Annette

 

[colorluvr]

This is my little 5 x 7 blue (heat only - AGL verified) sapphire in a heavy 18k wg ring. It is a perfect deep blue (to me) out in the sun and any light source (incandescent or fluorescent) but it does darken up when there isn't much light, however, it doesn't go "black" like my blue spinel does. It still retains it's pure blue color (I don't see any green or purple).

I thought I'd share because it's a step cut. Is this the color you are after or is it too dark?

 

[LD]

I see the green/gray and I think it will be pretty dark. When I think cobalt, I think between blue and violet, and this seems to go more between blue and green.

You can get a darker step cut, they are out there. I've seen a few dark pink/maroon spinel asschers from Jeff White.

Absolutely agree although I see blue/gray with tiny hints of green on the underside. Is this dark? Yes. Will it show areas of black and less blue? Yes. For somebody who likes a darker toned stone this is a good choice but if you want very saturated but not dark then it's not.

It's difficult differentiating colour when you first start out but your eyes will become more trained over time. If you want to compare, look at Colorluvr's ring she's just posted. Can you see how there is so much more blue and it looks more alive, warm and rich? That's because there's less gray and it's more saturated - so basically you see more blue and less black. The gray in Dana's stone makes the stone look more cold and less rich looking. Do you like Colurluvr's stone? If so, why not use that as a comparitor when you're shopping online?

 

[Niel]

You say rich medium, but that's basically the trade ideal, so any rich medium blue sapphires or spinels are going to be $$$$$$$$. Adding step cut to that mix and the search gets even harder.

Would you prefer more violet or more green? If you could post a picture of the color you'd be interested in, that would be helpful. Pink? Blue? Green? Purple? Red?

ETA:
http://www.acstones.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=139&idproduct=3870

I dont really mean rich medium blue. i know thats worth big bucks. saturated rich anything. i was being vague on purpose lol.

I would for sure take a nice green, red, blue (pinkish but not pink) spinel OR sapphire (im not picky) in oval OR step cut. I want to make myself a 5 stone and those are the only two shapes id really like to do that with.

I have a idea in my head of the overall look i want, 5 stone with fairly decent colored center that goes with yellow or rose gold. Im really set on that idea. I find any rich color appealing to me, so im actually not too particular. I just have trouble seeing greys or if the stone is well saturated over the computer. I mean i can see really bad ones, but you guys are much better at the fine detail. I just want a nice color thats the perfect example of what it is. If that makes sense. like if the color is lavender- i want it to be the perfect example of a lavender stone, not be dull or have ugly undertones or what have you.

Again heat treated doesnt bother me, if i could find like a heat treated spinel that was really RED, that would be my ideal but i cant.

for an example. i thought this is just beautiful- thoug h i think i have champagne taste on a beer budget.
http://www.whitesgems.com/gallery/SPL017.htm

 

[LD]

You say rich medium, but that's basically the trade ideal, so any rich medium blue sapphires or spinels are going to be $$$$$$$$. Adding step cut to that mix and the search gets even harder.

Would you prefer more violet or more green? If you could post a picture of the color you'd be interested in, that would be helpful. Pink? Blue? Green? Purple? Red?

ETA:
http://www.acstones.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=139&idproduct=3870

I dont really mean rich medium blue. i know thats worth big bucks. saturated rich anything. i was being vague on purpose lol.

I would for sure take a nice green, red, blue (pinkish but not pink) spinel OR sapphire (im not picky) in oval OR step cut. I want to make myself a 5 stone and those are the only two shapes id really like to do that with.

I have a idea in my head of the overall look i want, 5 stone with fairly decent colored center that goes with yellow or rose gold. Im really set on that idea. I find any rich color appealing to me, so im actually not too particular. I just have trouble seeing greys or if the stone is well saturated over the computer. I mean i can see really bad ones, but you guys are much better at the fine detail. I just want a nice color thats the perfect example of what it is. If that makes sense. like if the color is lavender- i want it to be the perfect example of a lavender stone, not be dull or have ugly undertones or what have you.

Again heat treated doesnt bother me, if i could find like a heat treated spinel that was really RED, that would be my ideal but i cant.

for an example. i thought this is just beautiful- thoug h i think i have champagne taste on a beer budget. http://www.whitesgems.com/gallery/SPL017.htm

It is and you have!

Can you be exact what you're looking for because I'm totally confused now! Are you looking for 1 stone, 2, 3, 4 or 5? What colours to do you want (all the same or different) and do they have to be the same size and shape (presume so).

 

[Niel]

I apologize i thought i WAS being clear. Clearly I'm just rambling
I am looking for a medium colored well saturated spinel or sapphire in really any color that would go well with yellow or rose gold (im excluding pinks or yellows basically)
probably a grapie purple might be my best option, im assuming. I dont know
Im looking to make myself a 5 stone
like this

or this

 

[LD]

All is clear now! So the sides will be diamonds NOT coloured gemstones? Makes much more sense now!

BTW you definitely have champagne taste judging by the links you're posting!

 

[Niel]

All is clear now! So the sides will be diamonds NOT coloured gemstones? Makes much more sense now!

BTW you definitely have champagne taste judging by the links you're posting!

Yes sadly...
I thought my pear e ring was unique enough to satisfy me but it isn't. Its beautiful but I'm just not content.

I'd probanly have erd do my ring if I could just find a center.

Would a grape color be more in my price range? I'd get an amyathyst but I know those aren't e ring quality stones

 

[Niel]

Would a chysoberyl be more budget friendy?
I think I'm at the problem though that I only like those lime-y green neon ones.

 

[minousbijoux]

I see the green/gray and I think it will be pretty dark. When I think cobalt, I think between blue and violet, and this seems to go more between blue and green.

This is what I think as well, and I see the same greyish/greenish undertone. Its just not very saturated.

 

[minousbijoux]

Let's see...yes, chrysoberyl will be cheaper than many of the other stone types you've mentioned, though chrysoberyl is hard to match with yellow or rose gold. And yes, the neon ones command a premium. Btw, I LOVE that LM setting with the purple stone (sapphire?) in it!

So maybe this will help you understand the color and saturation thing. When a stone is not very saturated, it is the absence of coloring agent you are seeing. Think of each color as a spectrum, with each step towards greater saturation one more drop of coloring agent. On the saturated end of the spectrum, you get colors that we describe as bright, rich, velvety, glowing. The purple in the LM ring is very saturated, as is the Colorluvr sapphire. Mahenge spinels are sought after for their amazing saturation - in fact, so are most stones.

When a stone is less saturated, its not that it actually is grey, brown or black, its just that with less saturation of the coloring agent, it looks that way. So if you look at pictures of really rich, saturated sapphires, for example, and then you look at Dana's stone that you linked to, I'm sure you see a big difference. How would you describe it? Its not darker or lighter, its just less colored and the result is that it looks greyer if its a cool color and browner if its a warm color. It does get easier to see with practice. After a while you come to realize that what you're looking for is not the addition of a color, its the absence of color that creates the eye's interpretation of, in this case, grey. HTH.

 

[minousbijoux]

Here are some photos of an extremely saturated, or vivid, sapphire. This one happens to be SilkSapphire's (I hope that's okay to use it as an example).

 

[Kelly12]

In my eyes, it is a little dark. But it is beautiful.

 

[LD]

All is clear now! So the sides will be diamonds NOT coloured gemstones? Makes much more sense now!

BTW you definitely have champagne taste judging by the links you're posting!

Yes sadly...
I thought my pear e ring was unique enough to satisfy me but it isn't. Its beautiful but I'm just not content.

I'd probanly have erd do my ring if I could just find a center.

Would a grape color be more in my price range? I'd get an amyathyst but I know those aren't e ring quality stones

Ok I know this is probably very different to what you had in mind BUT several years ago I had my pear diamond custom made and it was in a halo very similar to yours (strangely enough it has very strong blue fluor as well!). After a year, I found that the ring didn't really hit the sweet spot with me and I wasn't happy with it. I actually took it apart and had a new ring re-modelled using my pear and putting pear diamond sides. I now wear it everyday and LOVE it! I re-used the platinum halo ring for another stone (a coloured one). There are before and after photos somewhere on this website I think if you have a quick look!

Since your budget is limited and you're looking for an e-ring (presumably to replace your pear diamond?) why not think of re-modelling it? Sorry if I'm on the wrong lines here!

 

[Niel]

All is clear now! So the sides will be diamonds NOT coloured gemstones? Makes much more sense now!

BTW you definitely have champagne taste judging by the links you're posting!

Yes sadly...
I thought my pear e ring was unique enough to satisfy me but it isn't. Its beautiful but I'm just not content.

I'd probanly have erd do my ring if I could just find a center.

Would a grape color be more in my price range? I'd get an amyathyst but I know those aren't e ring quality stones

Ok I know this is probably very different to what you had in mind BUT several years ago I had my pear diamond custom made and it was in a halo very similar to yours (strangely enough it has very strong blue fluor as well!). After a year, I found that the ring didn't really hit the sweet spot with me and I wasn't happy with it. I actually took it apart and had a new ring re-modelled using my pear and putting pear diamond sides. I now wear it everyday and LOVE it! I re-used the platinum halo ring for another stone (a coloured one). There are before and after photos somewhere on this website I think if you have a quick look!

Since your budget is limited and you're looking for an e-ring (presumably to replace your pear diamond?) why not think of re-modelling it? Sorry if I'm on the wrong lines here!

Oh I've considered changing it so many times. I just dont know if that will satisfy. I don't wanna pay and then still not love it. Would you happen to have before and after pics?????

 

[LD]

Here you go .......... I haven't regretted changing it for one minute!

 

[Niel]

Here you go .......... I haven't regretted changing it for one minute!

Oh THATS yours. I always like that.its beautiful.

I just cant decide. I guess thats good. More time to save up I guess

 

[colorluvr]

This is my chrysoberyl eRing and I'm posting several photos to show you how different it can look in different lighting. It is precision cut with a high crown and sparkles like a diamond. It is NOT the neon green you want (I didn't want that color for an eRing) but I thought you might like to see its many faces. I got this color on purpose, but it's not the the most sought out color in chyrsoberyl (at least on PS).

To me, it looks like a greenish yellow (or yellowish green) diamond in most lighting. Sometimes it also looks like a champagne diamond. It look quite greenish in the sun and with a flash like the first two photos. Unfortunately the photos don't show how sparkly it is.

A neon one like you want (like TL's) will look very different from this one, but I thought I'd share.

The color looks a lot like these diamonds IRL


http://www.israel-diamonds.com/prod...&curr=dollar&gclid=CK3Wu9b9-bQCFQJx4AodTxQA-Q

http://www.israel-diamonds.com/prod...=/search/fancy-diamonds/default.aspx?loc=left

 

[colorluvr]

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