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diggdeep

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Hi all,

This site is great. I''ve been lurking for months, trying to absorb what I can. And now I''m finally really ready to buy an engagement ring (my first diamond purchase).

I found a diamond I think I like, but of course I would love everyone''s input. Here are the stats:

Round brilliant
Measures: 6.18 x 6.20 x 3.84 mm
Weight: .91
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Cut: Excellent
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: Medium blue
Price $4500

It comes up a 1.7 on the HCA, which I know is "worth looking at"--but at that price, should I keep looking?

Many thanks to anyone who can offer suggestions for questions to ask or how to tweak my search criteria.
 
Encouraging. The flor probablby is providing a discount since this low cost provider is $1K more.

GIA certificate.

What are the crown & pavilion angles?
 
Thanks very much for the reply.

The crown is 36.0 degrees, the pavilion is 40.6 degrees.

How strongly would you suggest I consider the fluorescence? Doesn''t seem like a major concern based on what I''ve read.
 
Date: 11/6/2008 9:29:00 AM
Author: diggdeep
Thanks very much for the reply.

The crown is 36.0 degrees, the pavilion is 40.6 degrees.

How strongly would you suggest I consider the fluorescence? Doesn't seem like a major concern based on what I've read.
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Depth, table and girdle thickness also please?

Medium blue fluorescence should not be an issue, you may notice it occasionally in some sunlight but it can be a personal preference thing...We have some here, myself included who love fluorescence and consider it a nice feature of a diamond.
 
Depth: 62.0%
Table: 56%
Girdle Thickness: Med to slightly thick

Thanks for your help!
 
Date: 11/6/2008 9:39:20 AM
Author: diggdeep
Depth: 62.0%
Table: 56%
Girdle Thickness: Med to slightly thick

Thanks for your help!
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You are welcome!

Well it appears this stone falls within fiery ideal cut range ( FIC) which basically means it may show a good display of fire if the lighting is right, some specifically seek out these types of stones!

Have you seen it in person?
 
You are welcome!

Well it appears this stone falls within fiery ideal cut range ( FIC) which basically means it may show a good display of fire if the lighting is right, some specifically seek out these types of stones!

Have you seen it in person?
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I have not. It''s at an online jeweler; can I ask them for photos?
 
Update: They won''t provide photos and passed on a visual inspection because it''s rated VS2. So, should I order and just return or exchange it if it turns out not to be everything I hope?
 
Date: 11/6/2008 1:42:36 PM
Author: diggdeep
Update: They won''t provide photos and passed on a visual inspection because it''s rated VS2. So, should I order and just return or exchange it if it turns out not to be everything I hope?
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They won''t look at it for you or discuss the diamond with you to help you know if it is what you are looking for? Who is selling it please? And what are their return policies?
 
I would not buy a stone off the internet not having seen photos.

Here is a beautiful stone Cut by Infinity. They do supply photos and the vendor would visually inspect it as well. It is lower in clarity than what you are looking for but the photos help locate the inclusions.

.093 ct F SI2
 
Date: 11/6/2008 1:47:39 PM
Author: Lorelei
Date: 11/6/2008 1:42:36 PM

Author: diggdeep

Update: They won''t provide photos and passed on a visual inspection because it''s rated VS2. So, should I order and just return or exchange it if it turns out not to be everything I hope?
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They won''t look at it for you or discuss the diamond with you to help you know if it is what you are looking for? Who is selling it please? And what are their return policies?
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There''s a 30-day return/refund policy, which is somewhat reassuring. I had a quick online chat with their customer service and was told that it would pass an eye test due to its clarity rating and therefore there was no need to have it inspected. I think they would discuss it with me, but I wouldn''t know what to ask besides that...

It''s at BN...now, please no lurkers snatch it up while I wait for my funds to transfer...:)
 
Date: 11/6/2008 2:09:50 PM
Author: swingirl
I would not buy a stone off the internet not having seen photos.


Here is a beautiful stone Cut by Infinity. They do supply photos and the vendor would visually inspect it as well. It is lower in clarity than what you are looking for but the photos help locate the inclusions.


.093 ct F SI2
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Thanks for sharing this...definitely worth considering as an alternative. I don''t understand why the first vendor declines to supply photos.
 
Probably because it is dropped shiped, meaning the stone is not in house. When you order it, blue nile brings the diamond from the supplier in and ships it.

I personally do not like to buy diamonds without seeing pics. But with a 30 day return policy, that gives you plenty of time to have it appraised, and see if you like it. There are people on here who have gotten nice diamonds from there. The big downside is that there is no upgrade policy, some people like having the option to upgrade if needed.
 
Date: 11/6/2008 2:48:18 PM
Author: diggdeep
Date: 11/6/2008 2:09:50 PM

Author: swingirl

I would not buy a stone off the internet not having seen photos.



Here is a beautiful stone Cut by Infinity. They do supply photos and the vendor would visually inspect it as well. It is lower in clarity than what you are looking for but the photos help locate the inclusions.



.093 ct F SI2
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Thanks for sharing this...definitely worth considering as an alternative. I don''t understand why the first vendor declines to supply photos.
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Either the vendor doesn''t have the stone in their possession, they don''t have the equipment to photograph it or they don''t want you to see it before you buy it (so you can''t compare it to anything).
 
30 day return policy is nice. Have fun with the process first of all. If you get it, take it to a jewler to check it out for you. They may try to sell you something so see if you can haggle them down too... If you don't like it return it. Internet shopping is the best way to get a deal but you need to know what to look for. IMO opinion, I would drop the color to a G or H and lower that crown angle to 35 or 34. You will save money by dropping that color and will not be able to tell the difference. Just remember to relax and have fun :)
 
I did wonder if it might be BN as they would not supply photos. But anyway please post pics when you get it, especially as it is a fiery ideal cut, should be a lovely stone!
 
Well, the diamond I initially wanted (a so-called "fiery ideal," apparently), was snatched up over the weekend as I waited for funds to transfer from the "ring savings" account to the "ring buying" account.

What does everyone think of this diamond?

I can''t read the crown & pavilion angles, unfortunately, so I can''t run the HCA...:-/
 
Are you determined to have a stone that is VS1 or VS2? I found you can save a lot of money to so SI1 and to the naked I you would most likely never know. I find myself really liking G for color though also.
 
Date: 11/11/2008 8:43:44 AM
Author: diggdeep
Well, the diamond I initially wanted (a so-called 'fiery ideal,' apparently), was snatched up over the weekend as I waited for funds to transfer from the 'ring savings' account to the 'ring buying' account.

What does everyone think of this diamond?

I can't read the crown & pavilion angles, unfortunately, so I can't run the HCA...:-/
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I think you might have to contact BN to get the angles, as for some reason it won't enlarge...But from what I can see, I suspect it might be what we call a steep deep and not the best choice, but check with them if possible as to what the angles actually are. I tried printing the report to see if that would make it clear, but it didn't.

That is such a shame about the other diamond...But you will end up with a beautiful one!
 
Date: 11/11/2008 8:52:19 AM
Author: t-neck
Are you determined to have a stone that is VS1 or VS2? I found you can save a lot of money to so SI1 and to the naked I you would most likely never know. I find myself really liking G for color though also.
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I guess I''m not...just consider it to be an extra layer of reassurance I guess. I''ve been told before to strongly consider SI1, so I suppose it''s worth looking at again. But with BlueNile, since they won''t show me pics in advance, I was more willing to pay a bit more for a higher clarity diamond.
 
What about this one? It rates an even 1 on the HCA if I'm reading those crown and pavilion angles correctly as 33 and 41.

I really appreciate everyone's input. Believe it or not, I'm trying to get the ring by this weekend (Friday), which means ordering in the next 5 hours. Ideally will make the proposal over the weekend and can deal with appraisals / modifications after the fact.
 
Stone-cold, I really like that first one. Says it wouldn''t arrive until Monday, unfortunately (most are Friday). Wonder if I can haggle on that...

I am reluctant to go any lower than "ideal" for cut though....
 
Date: 11/11/2008 10:06:39 AM
Author: diggdeep
Stone-cold, I really like that first one. Says it wouldn't arrive until Monday, unfortunately (most are Friday). Wonder if I can haggle on that...

I am reluctant to go any lower than 'ideal' for cut though....
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I woulld trust the HCA more than GIA cut grading. Most FIC cuts are less than ideal when graded by GIA anyway.

Updated my previous post with a FIC and the AGS1 linked to the wrong stone. Check them out.

EDT:
Your stone looks good too.
 
Date: 11/11/2008 9:51:42 AM
Author: diggdeep
What about this one? It rates an even 1 on the HCA if I''m reading those crown and pavilion angles correctly as 33 and 41.

I really appreciate everyone''s input. Believe it or not, I''m trying to get the ring by this weekend (Friday), which means ordering in the next 5 hours. Ideally will make the proposal over the weekend and can deal with appraisals / modifications after the fact.
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The table is a bit larger than many we see here DD, do you want a superideal cut or just a well cut stone?
 
Date: 11/11/2008 10:06:39 AM
Author: diggdeep
Stone-cold, I really like that first one. Says it wouldn''t arrive until Monday, unfortunately (most are Friday). Wonder if I can haggle on that...

I am reluctant to go any lower than ''ideal'' for cut though....
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The first diamond has strong blue fluorescence according to the report, although it is rare, check with your BN rep that this does not make this diamond look cloudy in some lighting.
 
Date: 11/11/2008 10:09:44 AM
Author: Lorelei
Date: 11/11/2008 9:51:42 AM

The table is a bit larger than many we see here DD, do you want a superideal cut or just a well cut stone?
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On a scale of 1 to 5, I''m looking for a 4, where 3 is "well cut."

Are you evaluating the table in diameter or angle? What''s your cutoff?
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Date: 11/11/2008 10:16:08 AM
Author: diggdeep

Date: 11/11/2008 10:09:44 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 11/11/2008 9:51:42 AM

The table is a bit larger than many we see here DD, do you want a superideal cut or just a well cut stone?
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On a scale of 1 to 5, I''m looking for a 4, where 3 is ''well cut.''

Are you evaluating the table in diameter or angle? What''s your cutoff?
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If you want a top cut stone, then many of us cut off around 57% - although a 58% table can also be fine, some PSers prefer to not go too much larger than that. It depends on what you are looking for, but there should be plenty of options that might suit you by the sound of it.
 
Hmmm, the other one I like just got snatched up too.

Are you guys cherry-picking?!! ;-)
 
Date: 11/11/2008 1:27:40 PM
Author: diggdeep
Hmmm, the other one I like just got snatched up too.


Are you guys cherry-picking?!! ;-)
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