Is this a well cut stone?

[Luke42_02]

Hi, I''m shopping for an engagement ring and though I''ve read alot I still have alot to learn. I''m pretty sure we''re looking for something that''s in the .33-.5 range for size and hopefully a D IF (I know I''m paying for something I can''t see but its the symbolism that I''m after). There''s a setting I really like at Shane Co. and they told me they''ll set any diamond in it and gaurantee the setting including the diamond if it should fall out and be lost for $2.50 per point. So, I went in today and of course they tried to sell me one of their diamonds and I''m open to listening. It was a D VVS2 with cut graded excellent according to the GIA report and Very Good symmetry and pollish with a strong blue fluoresscence I think you can see some info in it here http://www.shaneco.com/order/ShoppingBasket.asp?dskuid=13308 but it doesn''t show much. So, I showed them the GIA cert and AGS cut report of the GOG diamond I''ve been looking at. You can find it here: https://www.pricescope.com/origin.asp?id=98250&sh=8&prc=2180 The man who was helping me said that it was a good diamond but that the cut wasn''t perfect. The GIA cert says the demensions are 4.64 x 4.7 x 2.87 and he said that''s not as round as the one he was showing me. The GOG site lists the stone as 4.63 x 4.68 x 2.88 even though the GIA cert says otherwise. He also said that since the GIA cert says the Girdle is "medium - slightly thick" that it would vary from place to place around the diamond. He also said the number on the top left of the little drawing on the GIA cert should be 50% instead of 55% (sorry, for the life of me I cannot find what that measurement is). So, I guess what I''m asking is: Can I be sure the GOG diamond is a really well cut diamond? I think its kind of silly to spend the money for the D IF if you aren''t going to get a really well cut stone. Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[JulieN]

Is that a well cut diamond?!? You betcha. Something like freakin' gorgeous.

4.64-4.70: does it look not round to you? Helium has it at 4.63-4.68

medium-slt thick girdle is fine. whew. there's also a girdle outline on the Helium. you can check it out.

55% upper stars is more common than 50%, from what I've seen.

Some people will say anything to make a sale, it seems.

 

[mercoledi]

What Julie said. The GOG stone is going to be beautiful. No diamond is ever perfectly round, but your is certainly even rounder than most. The Sarin information is more precise than the GIA cert.

Your Shane Co link didn''t work, but they don''t seem to provide any real information about their stones online.

 

[Jelly]

I have a feeling the GOG diamond will blow you away. If you insist on a D IF, go for that one! You can always purchase it and take it to Shane''s and compare.

 

[jewelerman]

LUKE,
What was the statement about the company covering the loss of your diamond at $2.50 a point?I worked for Shane Company and they hated setting diamonds bought outside the store and there was no $2.50 per point cover on outside diamonds ...they expected your insurance to cover the loss of the diamond.They cover loss of diamond bought from them only.

 

[honey22]

Sheesh! There is nothing ''not-round'' about that diamond and the girdle is absolutely fine too. What a load of hogwash! If you can see the variations in the girdle with your own eye, then you must be Superman!!

I say go for the GOG stone!! If you love the D IF idea (I can say I wouldn''t be disappointed bragging about those specs

) then that''s what you should get. If, you any reason, you decide you want to upgrade the size later, they have a great upgrade policy so you can swap it for something else.

 

[Luke42_02]

Thanks, I thought it was pretty well cut, but I''m no expert. I think I''ll probably order the GOG then compair them and return if I don''t like it. As far as Shane setting outside stones, I think it varries by store. They have a link on their site where you can chat with someone from the company and I used that to ask what their policy is and was told that many stores do set outside stones and I should go to my local store and ask. When I got there, they said they do indeed set outside stones at about $2.50 per point. Not only that, but they gaurantee the setting and offer free Rhodium (its white gold) plating just like they would if I bought the diamond from them. He also said that they would replace the diamond if it should fall out because of a fault in their setting. This was the Overland Park Kansas store and like I said I think different stores have different policies. Thanks again for all your help.

 

[Luke42_02]

I just re-read that, hopefully it came across right this time. Their setting fee is $2.50 per point. If they set it, the give you the coverage I discribed. Of course I''ll make sure and get that in writing

 

[JulieN]

Most diamonds don''t fall out because it is the setting''s fault. You need something better than that.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 6/14/2008 7:49:22 PM
Author: JulieN
Most diamonds don''t fall out because it is the setting''s fault. You need something better than that.

Ditto. You need insurance for all possible losses.

 

[Luke42_02]

Definately, but I figure a gaurantee like that is better than just paying someone to set the stone. Of course there''s theft and a whole bunch of other things that make it so you need the insurance.

 

[John P]

Date: 6/14/2008 2:54:32 PM
Author:Luke42_02
Hi, I'm shopping for an engagement ring and though I've read alot I still have alot to learn. I'm pretty sure we're looking for something that's in the .33-.5 range for size and hopefully a D IF (I know I'm paying for something I can't see but its the symbolism that I'm after). There's a setting I really like at Shane Co. and they told me they'll set any diamond in it and gaurantee the setting including the diamond if it should fall out and be lost for $2.50 per point. So, I went in today and of course they tried to sell me one of their diamonds and I'm open to listening. It was a D VVS2 with cut graded excellent according to the GIA report and Very Good symmetry and pollish with a strong blue fluoresscence I think you can see some info in it here http://www.shaneco.com/order/ShoppingBasket.asp?dskuid=13308 but it doesn't show much. So, I showed them the GIA cert and AGS cut report of the GOG diamond I've been looking at. You can find it here: https://www.pricescope.com/origin.asp?id=98250&sh=8&prc=2180 The man who was helping me said that it was a good diamond but that the cut wasn't perfect. The GIA cert says the demensions are 4.64 x 4.7 x 2.87 and he said that's not as round as the one he was showing me. The GOG site lists the stone as 4.63 x 4.68 x 2.88 even though the GIA cert says otherwise. He also said that since the GIA cert says the Girdle is 'medium - slightly thick' that it would vary from place to place around the diamond. He also said the number on the top left of the little drawing on the GIA cert should be 50% instead of 55% (sorry, for the life of me I cannot find what that measurement is). So, I guess what I'm asking is: Can I be sure the GOG diamond is a really well cut diamond? I think its kind of silly to spend the money for the D IF if you aren't going to get a really well cut stone. Thanks in advance for your help.

If it was implied that roundness, girdle or star length are concerns with that diamond it was either miscommunication or misinformation.

You’re right about the grading report. I followed your link and the GOG summary lists dimensions from their in-store scan (4.63-4.68x2.8. The official GIA numbers are slightly different but it's a common (insignificant) difference of a micron or two between non-contact scanners. Trade members customarily treat a diamond’s major lab report as the “document of authority” so I’m surprised the GOG summary doesn’t use the GIA measurements; but it is a non-issue.

I suggest you request the same images and data for the competitor’s diamond that GOG has made available to you and make apples-to-apples comparisons.

As for the setting; have you explored the possibility of buying setting from the one seller and having the diamond set by the diamond seller?

 

[Lorelei]

Luke the GOG diamond is one rare and beautiful stone, with a gorgeous cut to boot - NO WORRIES!!!

 

[kmick]

Date: 6/14/2008 2:54:32 PM
Author:Luke42_02
Hi, I''m shopping for an engagement ring and though I''ve read alot I still have alot to learn. I''m pretty sure we''re looking for something that''s in the .33-.5 range for size and hopefully a D IF (I know I''m paying for something I can''t see but its the symbolism that I''m after). There''s a setting I really like at Shane Co. and they told me they''ll set any diamond in it and gaurantee the setting including the diamond if it should fall out and be lost for $2.50 per point. So, I went in today and of course they tried to sell me one of their diamonds and I''m open to listening. It was a D VVS2 with cut graded excellent according to the GIA report and Very Good symmetry and pollish with a strong blue fluoresscence I think you can see some info in it here http://www.shaneco.com/order/ShoppingBasket.asp?dskuid=13308 but it doesn''t show much. So, I showed them the GIA cert and AGS cut report of the GOG diamond I''ve been looking at. You can find it here: https://www.pricescope.com/origin.asp?id=98250&sh=8&prc=2180 The man who was helping me said that it was a good diamond but that the cut wasn''t perfect. The GIA cert says the demensions are 4.64 x 4.7 x 2.87 and he said that''s not as round as the one he was showing me. The GOG site lists the stone as 4.63 x 4.68 x 2.88 even though the GIA cert says otherwise. He also said that since the GIA cert says the Girdle is ''medium - slightly thick'' that it would vary from place to place around the diamond. He also said the number on the top left of the little drawing on the GIA cert should be 50% instead of 55% (sorry, for the life of me I cannot find what that measurement is). So, I guess what I''m asking is: Can I be sure the GOG diamond is a really well cut diamond? I think its kind of silly to spend the money for the D IF if you aren''t going to get a really well cut stone. Thanks in advance for your help.

id honestly go to like a F-G-H color and a VS - SI 1 in clarity and get closer to .8 to 1 carat.

it might be a good cut diamond but .33-.5 carats is really, really, tiny. D-F is considered colorless and G is basically colorless. You could also go down to VS2 or an SI1 and you cannot see the inclusions. I''d shoot for .8 to 1 carats with those stats and see what you get. I''d try to get a good cut too but I wouldn''t worry if its not totally perfect. just my thoughts - you might have a sweet diamond but youre going to have to blink to see it and to the naked eye it most likely wont make a difference.

good luck.
kevin