is this a good stone?

[hausee]

PS AGS0 search result. But HCA score only 3.8

 

[belle]

it''s not an ags ''0''.
it was given a ''1'' in light performance which is significant. in this case, it basically agrees with hca. if the price is right, go for it but don''t pay ''ideal'' prices for it.

 

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Belle, I believe the price is $5,200, which I don't think is an awful price. But I would personally hold out for a better stone that was better on HCA and AGS ratings. That is unless you've got an IS image or IRL experience that shows better.

comes to mind if you don't mind going to .9. I don't think it makes a huge size difference, and you gain quite a bit of color at F.

IMO, I'd prefer the ideal cut .9 over a non ideal cut 1.0 You'll find most people here prioritize cut over carat, but if your priorities are different, then go ahead. I think you owe it to yourself it see the difference in real life before you make that call, though. That isn't too hard with the return policy of places like GOG and other PS vendors. Good luck!

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[hausee]

is it consider eye clean?

 

[belle]

it looks like the black inclusion is pretty obvious under the table but you should ask to be certain.

 

[hausee]

I saw this diamond. But the first picture shown some inclusions right in the center. Do you think I can notice them when it is actually size?

thank you


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Belle, I believe the price is $5,200, which I don''t think is an awful price. But I would personally hold out for a better stone that was better on HCA and AGS ratings. That is unless you''ve got an IS image or IRL experience that shows better.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2286/ comes to mind if you don''t mind going to .9. I don''t think it makes a huge size difference, and you gain quite a bit of color at F.

IMO, I''d prefer the ideal cut .9 over a non ideal cut 1.0 Good luck!

 

[hausee]

yeah, I can see the black inclusion too. But they say it is eyeclean...here is another picture.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 7/25/2006 7:35:13 PM
Author: hausee
yeah, I can see the black inclusion too. But they say it is eyeclean...here is another picture.

yes.the GOG stone is beautiful

if eye clean.

 

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I think you'll find that Jonathan (and Tim or whomever replies to your inquiries at GOG) is very strict about what he'll call eye-clean. Most PS vendors understand the type of OCD they're dealing with, and know that the stone will be sent back to them if it's not eye-clean. This means he risks having the stone out of his possession, off the market, for up to 30 days, only to be returned if he's not accurate. He'll tell you how far away this can be seen, if at all. If he says it's eye clean, I'd certainly say it's worth purchasing to inspect it, or have it shipped to an appraiser near you so you can get a look.

Try to be reasonable about your definition of eye clean. I don't recall off-hand what his definition is, but I think in general it's like 10 inches away. In reality when you show this ring to people, they aren't going to hold it against their nose, normal social viewing distance is probably not going to cross the 10" barrier. But the mind-clean issue is real for many people, in which case you should have him define the exact point where this is visible, if it is.

Also, if you're bothered by this inclusion, tell Jonathan what you're looking for, they get stock in quite often. I was looking for exactly these specs, didn't mind being under 1 ct but wanted to be in the $5XXX range. Waited for a few months, then finally pulled the trigger on a bigger stone which was slightly out of my budget. The next week GOG got 5 beautiful stones in at the $5XXX range. They were scooped up within a week or so, it seemed. So patience is rewarded if you're in no rush.

I'd also see if you can find $700 in your couch cushions and consider this instead of your OP.
ACA 1.044 H SI1 1.5EX-EX-EX-VG


Good luck!

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[Lorelei]

The industry definition of eyeclean is pretty much this...no inclusions visible in normal light with normal vision face up, at a distance of 10 - 12 inches. Each and every purchaser must define their idea of eyeclean and comfort level and make this extremely clear to any vendor they are working with. It makes the whole process much easier. HTH.

 

[hausee]

^ (funny name):

It is a great stone from WF and looks eyey clean to me even at 40x. My original budget is $4500 for the stone and $500 for setting. But after seen the picture of some SI1 stone, I decided to add $1000 more to the budget to get a "mind clean" stone. The size of the stone isn't really a problem because my girl friend has a size 4.5 finger(lucky for me). So any diamond over .75c will be big on her hand. Thank you all for educate me about the eyecleanness, I guess I just lean toward mind clean.(But ^'s stone is great, I can live with that if not the price).

Also, do you think the plantium 1.7~2.3mm tiffany knife edge setting from UD is safe for the diamond? is it too thin?

thank you.

 

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Hausee,

Glad I could be of help (and that you got, and like, my name

). I''d ask Jonathan or Tim at GOG for the Gemex and ISEE2 results, and his personal thoughts on the stone if you''re ok with being < 1CT. The WF stone seems to have a little leakage under the table judging from the IS, but this is a novice opinion and it is still probably quite a bit better than the stone you listed in the OP. You could always have both shipped to an appraiser to compare and let his/her expert eye guide the final decision.

As for the setting, I can''t give you feedback on that, however I believe the prongs are what you''d be worried about, as opposed to the thinness of the ring. Whatever the case, you are going to get it insured at a place like Chubb or Jeweler''s Mutual, right? So you can rest easy, but I doubt there would be a problem with such a popular setting, which probably uses platinum prongs.

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FYI, John Q''s (and WF''s) comments on "eye clean"

Our definition is that inclusions are not seen when the diamond is viewed in the face-up position between 8 and 10 inches away, using natural daylight and 20/20 vision. This is a baseline.

Remember that if someone is nearsighted or has radar vision they may see more than others. For that matter, scrutiny from 2.5 inches away, after studying the plot of inclusions or for over-long periods of time could reveal more - but these are not normal viewing conditions.

Another thought... Eye-Clean and photos:

When Internet shopping, you will likely be looking at high quality magnified photos. Remember that no one ever sees a diamond at 40x mag when they walk into a jewelry store unless they are permitted to see it under a microscope. A large computer monitor makes that 40x photo even more revealing.

If you’re going photo-happy (have viewed so many you may be losing perspective) try this: Take a mm ruler and place it on your screen. Measure the picture on the monitor and then consider the actual size of your diamond, from the documentation. This will give an idea of the virtual compared to the reality.

Rhino/GOG say face up in a setting at half an arm''s length. But anybody you work with should go over your definition. I happened to go VS2 even though I considered some SI1''s. Though I would''ve been happy with an eye-clean SI1, there is something to be said for that extra security for us OCD types.

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[hausee]

good point ^. I guess I will go with VS2 for security. But I will look at SI1 too...

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after few weeks search, I found it is a tough job to do and I am starting to get tired...well, I guess everybody has to go through this if they want high quality/price.

 

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I would have preferred a truly eye-clean SI1 at a lower price, which would've kept me in my budget. The stone that fit all my other requirements at the time was VS2, but VS2 wasn't a requirement of mine. It's good of you to keep an open mind and let your eyes do the deciding. I find inspecting the stone as closely as possible with the naked eye before looking at the clarity plot or loupe is instructive. Often you'll only see it once you know where it is. Of course, the question is, if you can see it once you know where it is, can you "un-see" it when you look at the stone from now on? Can you just get over it? Lots of people here can, some can't. I don't think you can blanket judge all SI1 stones to say that you'd be able to see it with the naked eye ever. Clarity grade is based on 10X, and my eyesight is good, but not that good. Clouds or other faint inclusions can be just as good as VS2 stones, I think.

I would also advise you to look at as many stones as possible in B&M's (good and bad) to develop your eye. Compare stones side by side, in different lighting, at different distances, etc. Try to verbalize what you're liking about one vs. the other. There's more than just "sparkle" IMO. Developing your "palate" will allow you to discern stones better in the future, once you get some of these Ideals in the mail from PS vendors, should you go that route. That way you don't just have to rely on what others are telling you. Living with a stone outside the B&M in real life situations is the best way I have found in my limited experience to really understand the nuances diamonds have.

It's a growth process I'm still very much in.

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