Is this a good stone

[ScubaDucky]

Hi,

We are considering the following stone from an internet vendor from Pricescope. The vendor said that they can''t send actual pictures of the stone, but if I want, I can have it sent to an independent appraiser. Is this stone worth the next step or should we keep looking?

I''m a bit concerned about a few things.
1. The girdle is .7-1.3%. Is that too thin?
2. The plot diagram is fairly clean for an si1, but there are a few marks around the girdle. Is that bad?
3. In the comments it says: Additional clouds and surface graining are not shown. Is this cause for concern?

Specs:
Round
H/SI1/1.346 ct.
Depth: 61%
Table: 54%
Crown Angle: 34.1
Pav. Angle: 40.9
Culet: Pointed
Girdle: .7 - 1.3 %
7.18 x 7.23 x 4.39
Sym: Ideal
Polish: Ideal
Proportions: Ideal
Fluor: Med Blue
"H&A AGSL ####" has been engraved in the girdle
Price: $6079

Is this a good stone? It scores a 1.2 on the HCA (Ex-Ex-Ex-Vg)

Thanks a bunch..

 

[strmrdr]

Can they get you an ideal-scope image?
Full sarin report?
The price seems inline but....
If im dropping 6k+ on a diamond I expect some service for my money.
As far as it being eyeclean ask them to get it in if its a brokered stone and eyeball it for you or provide clarity photos.
Sending it to an idependant appraiser is a good idea no matter who you buy from but without the basic information first you cant tell if it is a waste of your time and or money taking it to the next stage.

There are plenty of dealers that will provide exellent service, demand it and dont buy without it.
If its a brokered stone the other dealers can get it in and provide a high level of service.

 

[ScubaDucky]

Very good points.. I'll definitly be pushing for at least clarity photos and an idealscope image tomorrow before I take any further steps.

Thanks!

 

[aljdewey]

I suspect the reason you can't get pictures is because the stone is brokered.




I wouldn't be horribly concerned about the girdle, but I'd feel better about this stone if it was inhouse with the vendor. if so, call the vendor and ask him to describe it to you on the phone. Typically, some additional clouds aren't mentioned, but it's better to know up front.




Otherwise, stone seems nice. If you really want to give it a try, just make sure you negotiate a really generous return window so that you can have it independently appraised.

 

[Caratz]

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On 12/11/2003 10:48:17 PM ScubaDucky wrote:

Very good points.. I'll definitly be pushing for at least clarity photos and an idealscope image tomorrow before I take any further steps.

Thanks!

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Based on the plot you posted, clarity is not likely to be an issue as long as the stone does not have any black carbon.

 

[Rhino]

Actually there is reason for concern because we just examined a diamond with very similar characeteristics. The plot showed a clean SI1 stone and the graining that existed within the diamond affected it's transparency similar to a diamond with very strong blue fluorescence. When graining is mentioned on a lab report the possibility exists that it could affect transparency. We recently turned down an H SI1 and an E VS1 because of these issues. The only way this can be determined though is by a personal exam of the stone. You can't determine things like that (plus many other issues) by a lab cert or a plot alone.




My .02c,


Rhino

 

[ScubaDucky]

Rhino,
Does that mean that even if I manage to get clarity photographs and they appear clean, there could still be issues with the stone. Is the transparancy issue something that must be seen in person?

 

[aljdewey]

Have to agree with Rhino on this one.




I recently considered two H stones.....an SI1 and an SI2.....from Whiteflash. In speaking with Brian, he said that the SI2 was actually "cleaner" than the SI1 - he felt the gradings should have been reversed. Up until he suggested the SI2, I hadn't considered ANY SI2 stones. Thank GOD I listened to him.....my ring is COMPLETELY eye-clean, and I got more bang for the buck.




The net is great, but it isn't a substitute for having a knowledgable person look at the stone for you. Find vendors that you trust to tell it like it is.....there are several of them here......and pick up the phone. A bit of extra effort will make all the difference in your end result being satisfying.

 

[ScubaDucky]

I'd love to find a good stone that someone has in house. I've been keeping an eye on available inventory from WF/GOG/DCD/Superbcert (I'm sure there are others, just can't remember them now) for the last few weeks and it seems that a lot of stones are disappearing from the lists and not as many new ones are appearing. This just seems like a bad time of year to be shopping for a stone....

I feel like I'm looking for what everyone else is looking for, 1.25+, G/H, SI1/2 eye clean.. Nobody ever said this was easy...

 

[ScubaDucky]

I would be jumping all over those stones if they were just a tad LARGER. The 1.2 stone looks killer.

Actually does anyone know if there's a difference between a 6.9mm diameter and a 7.1 or 7.2? We've seen plently of 6.9-7mm stones (B&M) while shopping for a setting and the boyfriend thought they were a little too small... yay for me

 

[fire&ice]

I'm curious. Do you need to buy now? Why not wait until the vendors replenish their supply if you don't see something right now? Yeah, the G/H SI1 stones are the quickest movers. The stone on the marks also move quickly. Have you considered an I stone in a larger size - say 1.37? You are getting a larger stone but aren't paying the premium per/carat that the marks command 1c, 1.25, 1.5, etc.

 

[ScubaDucky]

You're right.. it does make sense to wait since we're not working with any sort of schedule.., but once we started looking, it's very hard to stop. This stuff is addicting! We started looking right before the holiday rush -- and I actually made a nice spreadsheet of stones to consider. However, once the rush started, stones started disappearing left and right. Guess I just panicked a little.

I would definitly consider larger I and J colored stones, esp something with a nice Med Blue Fluor. I might have a hard time convincing my other half though. It seems that guys are more into the quality of the stone, while most girls just want something large and sparkly. At least, that's the case with us.

 

[aljdewey]

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On 12/12/2003 8:34:34 AM ScubaDucky wrote:





I would be jumping all over those stones if they were just a tad LARGER. The 1.2 stone looks killer.

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Sorry; I recommended these based on what you said your were looking for.....stones in the 1.25+ range. The 1.21 stone gives the same diameter as my 1.244 stone....which is practically 1.25!

If you feel like 7.0 is too small, then maybe you can more specific on what you are looking for.

 

[ScubaDucky]

The 1.215 stone does look great. You know, I started looking for something in the 6.7mm range, and then in the 6.9-7.0mm range and now I think I might want a 7.1-7.2mm stone. This is dangerous.

We're both engineers by trade so we really want the numbers to align. I've already been yelled at by a B&M stonre that I need to have a bit more flexibilty with the numbers. grr..

Here's what I want:
GHI w/fluor
Si1 or Si2 with very little on the table
Depth: 59.5-60.8%
Table: 56 - 58%
Crown: 34.2-34.8
Pav: 40.5-40.8
And of course a great HCA score.

I think I'll do what Fire&Ice suggested and wait until the mad holiday rush is over.

Thanks for all the comments/suggestions, I really really do appreciate it.