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codeMonkey

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Recently I've purchased this diamond before I did a lot of research.

https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R160-9G65GJ
depth: 61.2%
pavilion depth: 43.5%
table: 58.0%
girdle: medium to slightly thick
crown height: 14.5%
crown angle: 34.5°
pavilion angle: 41.0°
price paid: $8090
HCA: 2

But since that time, I've learn a lot more about diamond's cut and now I'm starting to second guess the light performance. Based on the idealscope from the link, it seems like there're light leaks under the table. Am I reading it correctly? I understand that this is not going to be a super ideal H&A, the questions is how noticeable will this be? Is it going to be noticeable in normal lighting conditions at all?

Right now the diamond has yet to be shipped to me, and it's waiting at the vendor for the custom ring to come and be set. So if I made the wrong purchase, it's better to cancel the order now than make the vendor pay for shipping and insurance both way.

Thanks in advance for help and comments.
 
Adding the idealscope and aset image.
gia-certified-1-6-carat-j-color-vs2-clarity-diamond-9g65gj_idl.jpg
gia-certified-1-6-carat-j-color-vs2-clarity-diamond-9g65gj_ast.jpg

Should I be concerned by what I think is light leak under the table?
 
 
codeMonkey|1426496544|3847917 said:
Recently I've purchased this diamond before I did a lot of research.

https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R160-9G65GJ
depth: 61.2%
pavilion depth: 43.5%
table: 58.0%
girdle: medium to slightly thick
crown height: 14.5%
crown angle: 34.5°
pavilion angle: 41.0°
price paid: $8090
HCA: 2

But since that time, I've learn a lot more about diamond's cut and now I'm starting to second guess the light performance. Based on the idealscope from the link, it seems like there're light leaks under the table. Am I reading it correctly? I understand that this is not going to be a super ideal H&A, the questions is how noticeable will this be? Is it going to be noticeable in normal lighting conditions at all?

Right now the diamond has yet to be shipped to me, and it's waiting at the vendor for the custom ring to come and be set. So if I made the wrong purchase, it's better to cancel the order now than make the vendor pay for shipping and insurance both way.

Thanks in advance for help and comments.
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Hi codeMonkey,

The pricepoint for your specs is really good. The stone is nice.
If I could, I'd recommend a couple things.
I'd call ed and talk to them. Specifically about the feather possibly being a durability issue. VS diamonds aren't normally an issue, but I'd ask. I'd also task them with helping you look through their inventory to find another diamond that they may think is better. You're already in with them and it wouldn't hurt to talk to them about what's the most important factors to you and seeing if they can find something better/different.
There is leakage in the is image, and I would want to see if there's better out there. It's a tough call because what you've found isn't bad. Probably would need to actually see it.
 
Thanks telephone89 for your suggestions. Of the 3 you sent, I've seen 2 of them
Diamond 1: the pattern in the photo doesn't look as well defined, does this look like an issue with the photography or does it mean it's not as good a cut?
Diamond 2: I haven't seen this one, but it doesn't have an idealscope or aset, so it's hard to compare
Diamond 3: I really liked this one before I pick the one I bought, but Josh from ED told me this one got poor luster. So I let this one go.

palmersj, you got some really good suggestions there. Before I found this forum, I did talk to ED and ask them to do a Sarine Light scan for me . They did told me it's a good looking stone, but I didn't ask them to look for another stone. I guess I'll wait for the Sarine Light scan. I don't find much information about Sarine Light reports from 3rd parties and they're kind of new. Do they provide much useful information?

I've found the knowledge of this forum to be incredibly amazing. Are there any resources on evaluating diamond light leakage when it's all or nothing. Is there a way to evaluate how much we lost in brightness when we have some light leakage?
 
codeMonkey|1426538535|3848182 said:
Thanks telephone89 for your suggestions. Of the 3 you sent, I've seen 2 of them
Diamond 1: the pattern in the photo doesn't look as well defined, does this look like an issue with the photography or does it mean it's not as good a cut?
Diamond 2: I haven't seen this one, but it doesn't have an idealscope or aset, so it's hard to compare
Diamond 3: I really liked this one before I pick the one I bought, but Josh from ED told me this one got poor luster. So I let this one go.

palmersj, you got some really good suggestions there. Before I found this forum, I did talk to ED and ask them to do a Sarine Light scan for me . They did told me it's a good looking stone, but I didn't ask them to look for another stone. I guess I'll wait for the Sarine Light scan. I don't find much information about Sarine Light reports from 3rd parties and they're kind of new. Do they provide much useful information?

I've found the knowledge of this forum to be incredibly amazing. Are there any resources on evaluating diamond light leakage when it's all or nothing. Is there a way to evaluate how much we lost in brightness when we have some light leakage?
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#1 It may not be sitting perfectly level. If you look at the h&a you can see they are not perfect, but more symetrical than the close up photos. Again, asking them to take a look would be good. Also, it does have strong blue so that might be affecting the price.
#2 You can ask and see if that's a possiblity. They might be able to get it in.
#3 Could be due to the fluor? Otherwise, I'm not sure why it would be a 100% cut score. Anyways, still disregard if he said its not great.

For the bolded, I think this is where seeing it in person comes into play. You can take it to a store with some ideal cut H&A's and see the difference. If it is mind blowing and your diamond looks dull and dead next to them, then you can obviously return it and either up your budget or lower the size a bit. If you don't see much of a difference or it is minimal to your eyes, then keep it.

I looked at WF earlier, and you could get a 1.3 J that has amazing optics for a similar price at what you're looking at. You lose a bit of size, but there is a price jump over 1.5.

eta:
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3256276.htm $9,603. Not sure if your budget can stretch this far, but this is a pretty good deal. 1.476 so You're still JUST under 1.5. But really, if someone asked me about it, I'd round up to 1.5 on this one ;)
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3317442.htm 1.302 $7,976. Smaller, but will be wonderful. A bit less than you're paying with ED.
 
codeMonkey|1426538535|3848182 said:
Thanks telephone89 for your suggestions.
Diamond 3: I really liked this one before I pick the one I bought, but Josh from ED told me this one got poor luster. So I let this one go.
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Hold on - they told you this was a bad stone, but they still have it listed on their site AND it has a 100 cut score?

Wow.

Avoid this vendor until they get their policies in order.

If you read some other threads, you'll find that this vendor is having A LOT of problems.

I would try to get your money back and look at a better vendor.
 
RockyRacoon,

We use internal information (information suppliers dont allow us to publish) to give further guidance on diamonds. This can be in regards to the luster of a diamond, an independent opinion on the diamonds color/tinge, H&A review etc.

Our cut score as we've stated many times, is just a tool meant to help you look where *WE THINK* you should be looking. Obviously there are cases where our cut score can be wrong and in those cases - we make sure we pass that information to our clients.

There isnt a single customer who doesnt interact with one of our reps in the process of picking a diamond.

CodeMonkey,

This is the diamond: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R150-MKJ1BY which I deleted actually that day that I said has poor luster.

This diamond:

https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/Round/GIA-Certified-1-61-Carat-J-Color-VS1-Clarity-Diamond-9GNDFT

Sarine Light Report: http://sarinelight.com.s3.amazonaws.com/prod/reportfactory/348/report.html?sId=17535a50-5c37-4f54-a142-19374e413208&mId=509420&rId=8897de76-cdec-4f14-aee8-34dec9fa9ee0#home

Received an Ultimate 1 out of 3 - even though our cut score gave it a 100, it shows you how a physical measurement of light performance, versus our theoretical/predictive light performance score.

Hoping this clarifies misinformation or miscommunication :)

Have a great day!
 
JoshuaNiamehr|1426546080|3848226 said:
RockyRacoon,

We use internal information (information suppliers dont allow us to publish) to give further guidance on diamonds. This can be in regards to the luster of a diamond, an independent opinion on the diamonds color/tinge, H&A review etc.

our cut score can be wrong
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Agreed.

An honest vendor IMMEDIATELY removes this item from inventory when such an issue is identified. You can do a search here to see how more experienced vendors have handled similar situations in the past.

Otherwise, the vendor is likely to be labeled a bait-and-switch artist.
 
RockyRacoon, they've actually left a pretty good impression on me so far. Joshu steer me away from a diamond that's milky after he found out about it from the supplier. And he did removed it from their listing. That's far from what a bait-and-switch artist would do.

Josh I think there's a bit of miscommunication here. I think this is the one you said that is milky, I didn't realized you deleted from your system. Kudus to you.
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R166-LL2XXW

Maybe I remember it wrong, but I think Josh did recommend the 1.6ct J VS2 over the 1.61ct J VS1, something to do with color. Josh can you remind me the reason again please?

As far as their cut score, I take it as yet another tool to sort diamonds in order for me to look at them individually. When I know nothing about diamonds at all, it's more helpful than nothing (which is the alternative). But it's not the end all and be all, and it's not always accurate. This is fairly typical for all scoring/ranking systems when we're dealing incomplete inputs and not entirely certain outputs (everyone have different preferences even when it comes to cut). I didn't get the impression that the ED guys claim their cut score is perfect. And I wouldn't believe them even if they did.

I like the Sarine Light approach, it's an objective way to measure the light performance of a diamond. We can still argue about what kind of light characteristic should be consider beautiful, but at least we can standardized the input about the diamond. Think of this is the equivalent of measuring the various angles, except we're measuring light return.

It's too bad Sarine decide to put them into categories instead of giving raw numbers. 100 diamonds with ultimate 1 score is almost as hard to pick as 100 diamonds with an excellent cut scores :)

Just a newbie's point of view.
 
codeMonkey|1426552212|3848270 said:
RockyRacoon, they've actually left a pretty good impression on me so far. Joshu steer me away from a diamond that's milky after he found out about it from the supplier. And he did removed it from their listing. That's far from what a bait-and-switch artist would do.

Josh I think there's a bit of miscommunication here. I think this is the one you said that is milky, I didn't realized you deleted from your system. Kudus to you.
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R166-LL2XXW

Maybe I remember it wrong, but I think Josh did recommend the 1.6ct J VS2 over the 1.61ct J VS1, something to do with color. Josh can you remind me the reason again please?

As far as their cut score, I take it as yet another tool to sort diamonds in order for me to look at them individually. When I know nothing about diamonds at all, it's more helpful than nothing (which is the alternative). But it's not the end all and be all, and it's not always accurate. This is fairly typical for all scoring/ranking systems when we're dealing incomplete inputs and not entirely certain outputs (everyone have different preferences even when it comes to cut). I didn't get the impression that the ED guys claim their cut score is perfect. And I wouldn't believe them even if they did.

I like the Sarine Light approach, it's an objective way to measure the light performance of a diamond. We can still argue about what kind of light characteristic should be consider beautiful, but at least we can standardized the input about the diamond. Think of this is the equivalent of measuring the various angles, except we're measuring light return.
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CodeMonkey,

Not as issue at all - you had just mis-spoken when you said that a stone that had been judged 'poor luster' was still available. I can see you corrected yourself here, so nothing more to say about that.

There is no confusion here on how Sarine Light works.
 
So I got the Sarine Light report from the ED guys. It's an Ultimate 2 with Brilliance, Symmetry and Sparkle in the top grade and Symmetry 2 grades down.

Compared with the Sarine report for the 1.61ct J VS1, surprisingly the Brilliance score is one category higher. Based on HCA and ED's cut score I'd thought the 1.61ct J VS2 would of perform better.

So I told them to go ahead and set the stone. Looking forward to get the ring and check it out with my own eyes. Thank you guys for the help and suggestions.
 
Ok, so I got my ring last Wednesday. It ended up being down to the wire, the ring was delivered a few hours before I get on a plane for my trip. It was nerve racking but they send it on overnight priority and got it to me on time at the end as they promised.

Here're some photos I took.
Indoor artificial light
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Outdoor under sunlight
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Indoor on a glass table next to the window
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It looks great! Does she love it?! How did it go?
 
I LOVE engagement stories, so PLEASE SHARE !!!

That ring is absolutely gorgeous, she must be thrilled !!!

(FWIW, my ring is set in a similar setting, and I get so many compliments on it!!!
just so you know, I think you did VERY WELL !!! :love: :love: :love: )
 
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