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is there such thing as a worthless diamond? get it appraised

pureflow619

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I found a silver bracelet last week said 14k with a lot of diamonds I thought was fake itook it to pawnshop and they tested it and gave me 170 and said nothing about the diamonds I didn't even ask I thought were fake. now I know about white gold and what it looks like.I have q ring that looks just like it but has no stamp.it has one pearl I know its real and a diamond that's mounted like I never seen.looks like its custom or antique but read there's no antique white gold? I took to the same pawnshop and they tested a few times and looked at it for acouple minutes.then told me its 10k white gold.3.3 gra ms 40 bucks. I asked about the diamond sinse he said its real he said its worth nothing? should I get it appraised? he said no. so???? what do you think is it worth having it appraised? or at least ask a appraiser if I sh

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Re: is there such thing as a worthless diamond? get it appra

Hi, pureflower, there is case that the diamond is of worthless due to the fact that the diamond do not meet the 4C principle, and the little loose diamond can only be used as a foil, and other case that it is synthetic diamond which can be produced with many other materials. I do not suggest to have it appraised if the price is not that worthwhile. :) Anyway, if you really wan to what on earth it is, you have have it appraised to get the fact. :)
 
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could the pawn guy tell just by looking at it that it didn't meet the 4c's and gave me honest offer? or if you can't tell just by looking he lied andand I have no choice but to pay 75 bucks for appraisal and it don't meet 4'cs or is mixed with syn. I paid more for appraisql then then rings worth? I found one simular to mine from kay jewlers here http://m.kay.com/product1%7C10101%7C10001%7C-1%7C480583309%7C%7C%7C%7C%7C%7C%7C it has the same style and peal looks the same color and size but kays ring I can't even see the diamonds? there small or are the in the the frosted part? mine looks the same and style even with the gold nugget look up buy the pearl only mine has a cradle mount for just one diamond that is bigger? my diamond compaired to the pearlooks way bigger the there's compaired to there pearl ? and or pearls are around same size.
 
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and what's your opinion on it not being stamped 14k or anything in my ring? what could be the reason?is that a good or bad for the diamond or has nothing to do with it?
 
Re: is there such thing as a worthless diamond? get it appra

pureflower,

Small diamonds aren't usually worth very much. The places that buy gold and platinum for scrap typically unmount the diamonds and often don't do anything with them because it's not worth the hassle for smaller stones.

liz
 
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so at kay's there ring has the diamonds so small in the red circle?mine has the same design on the sides but I don't have diamonds on the side just one but mine looks bigger? compaired to kays ring mines big because it didn't meet the c's how much could I or should I ask for it? and where? pawnshop again after its appraised idk? or leo hamel is better? or what about craigslist or ebay? what are the chances that mine was made by kay jewlers because there the only ones that's had anything even close to what mine looks like and now looking at it? its almost identical except mine has only one diamond monted all out nice where you can really see next to the pearl and not on the band.
 
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yea that's what I thought.I read online that one diamond for example is 1 ct is worth a lot more than 10 same quality and cut diamonds that total 1 ct togather? right? so iam think then my diamond should be worth more than this one that looks identical from kay jewlers? this one from k is the only one that even looks close and man does it look close! iam thinkig mine might have been made by kay?....and say for example mine gets appraised for around same price 800 to 1000? how much can I accept to get to sell it and where is best place to sell?
 
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on this ring from kay jewlers it says 1/10ct is that a lot? say mine weighs more but was made with synthetics its worth nothing.? but iam thinking its bigger because its nicer and worth more? can you tell around how much my diamond weighs by pictures? I by looking at it? any test I can do here at home to help identify anything?
 
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Even if you bought the ring from Kay and immediately turned around and tried to sell it, you would be lucky to get half of what you paid for it. Unfortunately, your ring is probably worth its value for scrap (basically what the gold is worth), perhaps a little more. You're not likely to get hundreds of dollars for it and it's not likely to appraise for $800-1000.

Look on ebay and see if there's anything like it on ebay, then see if anything similar has sold.

liz
 
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That tiny diamond alone is likely worth very little. The ring is worth more kept whole as it is. I have no idea how much you could sell the whole ring for...maybe $50-100 or about whatever the scrap value is? It would not be worth getting that little diamond appraised, no.
 
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I would agree with the others it probably is worth more kept as it is to sell as a piece. It looks like it may be a vintage piece because of that buttercup style setting is not common now days. If you do want to sell it (online) and get the most you can for it, my suggestion is clean it, and then take pictures of it that are clearer. Things that get sold online that are that out of focus won't go for much, possibly less than scrap. Don't use a flash on it because that just washes out the diamond like in your picture. Bright diffused light will probably get you the best picture (like out under a tree where it is bright but not glaring).

I might also recommend going to another pawn shop to have them test the metal again to be sure. Don't say anything about it, just tell them you have this ring (from your grandma or something) and would like to know what the metal is because it isn't marked but are not trying to sell it to them.

Good luck!
 
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pureflow619|1363172124|3403730 said:
and what's your opinion on it not being stamped 14k or anything in my ring? what could be the reason?is that a good or bad for the diamond or has nothing to do with it?

There could be several reasons. One reason a ring loses its stamp is from sizing. If the stamp was somewhere near the bottom and it got sized, the stamp would be gone afterwards.

Here is a platinum pearl and diamond ring that is currently up on auction you can watch. 10K white gold is not going to get as much as platinum, but your stones are larger too. Try not to compare it to something at Kay's. You ring is not modern and it's strength in possible resale will be in calling it a vintage piece and not a modern one. The straight buttercup mounting makes me think 60's, but I'm only guessing. (I have a lot of buttercup settings, and so know at least a little about their development but am no expert.)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/nr-antique-platinum-vtg-18ct-gold-pearl-old-rose-cut-natural-diamond-ring-1900s-/370776722157?pt=UK_Jewellery_Watches_VintageFineJewellery_CA&hash=item565403caed

Clean it up (gently) and make it look pretty before you try to sell it then take clear pictures.
 
Re: is there such thing as a worthless diamond? get it appra

On the secondary market, dealers are generally buying things for the materials. The plan is to recycle them into something else. A fair number of the small diamonds in things are worth less at this market level than the labor it takes to get them out.
 
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LibbyLA|1363178035|3403754 said:
Even if you bought the ring from Kay and immediately turned around and tried to sell it, you would be lucky to get half of what you paid for it. Unfortunately, your ring is probably worth its value for scrap (basically what the gold is worth), perhaps a little more. You're not likely to get hundreds of dollars for it and it's not likely to appraise for $800-1000.

Look on ebay and see if there's anything like it on ebay, then see if anything similar has sold.

liz
yea I know like buying a new car right looses its value right out the store I know but id rsther sell for half or less if its valued at 1000 new I can get 200 to 400 sounds better than 40 bucks.this ring was my grandmas.I know its old kind off has to be?iam positive somebody on craigslist or ebay will give more than 40 just to wear it.its beautiful.I sold a bracelet I found on the gound not too long ago.first time I ever heard of white gold but its stamp was 14k with big square diamonds on it.diamonds were shape round like a typicaliamond so I guessed diamonds are fake? now ian regret selling the bracelet.is it possible since I just sold it and I do business with dame guy for years I've sold a lot of gold last few years to him.I think that bracelet was worth more tham 170 even if diamonds were cz iam sure??? anyways thanks for your help.all this is starting to make sense. now..
 
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bastetcat|1363182953|3403793 said:
pureflow619|1363172124|3403730 said:
and what's your opinion on it not being stamped 14k or anything in my ring? what could be the reason?is that a good or bad for the diamond or has nothing to do with it?

There could be several reasons. One reason a ring loses its stamp is from sizing. If the stamp was somewhere near the bottom and it got sized, the stamp would be gone afterwards.

Here is a platinum pearl and diamond ring that is currently up on auction you can watch. 10K white gold is not going to get as much as platinum, but your stones are larger too. Try not to compare it to something at Kay's. You ring is not modern and it's strength in possible resale will be in calling it a vintage piece and not a modern one. The straight buttercup mounting makes me think 60's, but I'm only guessing. (I have a lot of buttercup settings, and so know at least a little about their development but am no expert.)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/nr-antique-platinum-vtg-18ct-gold-pearl-old-rose-cut-natural-diamond-ring-1900s-/370776722157?pt=UK_Jewellery_Watches_VintageFineJewellery_CA&hash=item565403caed

Clean it up (gently) and make it look pretty before you try to sell it then take clear pictures.
wow that's funny.I told my girlfriend that because reseese is her favorite candy.I told her I bet its called like a peanut butter cup.its looks just like one and she laughed and said it does! I was right.and yea I figured. it was older came from my grandma.she was born and raised in france.always into jewlry she loved pearls always had on pearl rings and necklaces.my mom was the gold collector.mostly gold the bracelet I found on the ground not to long ago was the first white gold I've ever seen.until I thought no? the silver ring I got from grandma looks just like it.so just got it check and was and I know it had history but now I think it has value too more than 40 bucks.the bracelet I found I wasn't attached at all.but I feel I got ripped off bad and taken advantage of and wish I didn't sell the bracelet so cheap. so if that bothers me than selling ring for too cheap will be something I will regret. later..but I have a family to think of and california living isn't cheap
 
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The only way you will get $200-400 is by selling to someone who is also ignorant about jewelry. $40 from a pawn shop sounds about right.
 
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denverappraiser|1363183538|3403804 said:
On the secondary market, dealers are generally buying things for the materials. The plan is to recycle them into something else. A fair number of the small diamonds in things are worth less at this market level than the labor it takes to get them out.
okay I get it.thanks for advice so deals and gold buyers like pawn shops buy as scrap.I that's what he said. but I said its a nice bracelet can't give me at least 200 he said he can't sell for 200 just wants to send out to melt and get his cash back.okay I but he gives me 170 for it..so he's saying he only makes 30 bucks??that's hard for me to believe..how much do you think hell make off the bracelet? and how much do you think he'll. make of mg grandmas old ring? just melt it. no I wont do it.and if its like that could I go there today and ask to buy it back? he know my situation.can I offer to buy it back for 200? is he going to say yea you can buy it back for 500 bucks?
 
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pureflow619|1363194597|3403950 said:
denverappraiser|1363183538|3403804 said:
On the secondary market, dealers are generally buying things for the materials. The plan is to recycle them into something else. A fair number of the small diamonds in things are worth less at this market level than the labor it takes to get them out.
okay I get it.thanks for advice so deals and gold buyers like pawn shops buy as scrap.I that's what he said. but I said its a nice bracelet can't give me at least 200 he said he can't sell for 200 just wants to send out to melt and get his cash back.okay I but he gives me 170 for it..so he's saying he only makes 30 bucks??that's hard for me to believe..how much do you think hell make off the bracelet? and how much do you think he'll. make of mg grandmas old ring? just melt it. no I wont do it.and if its like that could I go there today and ask to buy it back? he know my situation.can I offer to buy it back for 200? is he going to say yea you can buy it back for 500 bucks?

they aren't going to send the bracelet off to melt by itself. These guys send scrap off in large batches to companies that melt metal and re use it, unless they have melting facilites themselves, and i doubt that a pawn shop does. A pawn shop gives you a certain percent of melt value. You best bet is to collect up enough scrap and take it around to different places. They aren't concerned with the fact you think it is worth more as a piece. If you do, then you need to try to sell it somewhere besides a pawn shop, because all you will get is percent of melt.
 
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Your bracelet may already been shipped off to where ever was to be melted down (not by itself, but with other scrap), but you can try to get it back.
 
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distracts|1363193275|3403938 said:
The only way you will get $200-400 is by selling to someone who is also ignorant about jewelry. $40 from a pawn shop sounds about right.
understood. thanks.so now I made my choice I'll.try selling on cl or ebay for a price I feel is fair to want to buy and wear the ring and a price I feel comfortable selling it for.if it don't sell I keep it.40 its completely worth keeping it..thanks again I appreciate. it
 
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