Is it possible to get diamond for ~10K?

[Melanie611]

I been searching everywhere. My dream diamond would be an ideal H&A 1.39ct (7.25mm) F VS2. Do you think it''s possible get one for around 10K? There doesn''t seem to be much available around the 1.4ct mark...plenty of diamonds at 1.25 and 1.5.

 

[Whiteknight55]

Well I could be mistaken, since I'm pretty new at this myself, but I'd think you could get it for less than that.

Just do a search on the PS front page. I turn up results a bit under 10k.

 

[valeria101]

It is good that you mention beoth diameter and weight: there may be some variation in both due to depth. I hope diamonds with a few tenths of a milimeter or points plus or minus would still make the cut

Actually, there is just one F-VS1, exactly 1.39, but 9.15-7.19 diameter given medium-slightly thick girdle and 61.8 depth (
HERE ) listed at a first search. This one goes for $11,300. No reason to believe that one clarity grade less would not cause some discount and get the stone just at your mark.

A 1.23cts F-VS2 comes at somewhat below 9k at GOG... too small, I guess, but yu could always drop an order for the perfect candidate

And here's one 1.3 cts F-VS2, AGS0 (WWW) just on the mark.

 

[diamondsman]

you can get a much bigger size for less money around the 1.40-1.49 fvs2 for arond 8800.00, or upsize to a 1.50+GVS2 for a round 10k. The difference between F-G Is minimal.
my 2cents.

 

[Mara]

IMO you can get something similar for around $10k.




The large ranges of the comments here ($8k - $11k) in my opinion is going to be hugely based on the cut. No one is going to sell a stellar cut stone for $8k if they can get $10k for it.




Continue to do your research and shop around.




I was on GOG a week or so back and they had a stellar looking 1.42 H SI2 stone that was beautiful, H&A, great diameter, excellent images, and scope results. If you confirm that puppy is eye clean, the price was something like $7000.

Personally I have seen F, G, H diamonds and I can't tell a whit of difference. I have an H pendant, G earrings and e-ring, etc. They look all very white and beautiful to me. So if the right stone came around in terms of ctw but was more like G or H..I'd still check it out.

Well-cut stones face up whiter than the average maul stone, btw!




GOG also had something like a 1.36 G SI I think as well. WF has a beautiful looking 1.65 H SI1 right now for something like $10500...nice idealscope image. I like size.

It will be harder to find stones in that 1.30-1.45 range...most people prefer to cut a not-so-great 1.50c stone than lose weight and drop beneath that into the lower priced 1.40 range. There is a price difference between the two, huge!




Oh and sorry about not answering your Q the other night about contrast, to be really honest, I am not the best person to explain that...contrast is often debated on what it REALLY is. I would roughly say that it would be how your eye picks up the differences between the white and colored flashes & sparkles in the stone.

 

[Rhino]

I appreciate the mention Mara. Currently diamonds in the 1.3x to 1.4xct D-F, VS range tend to move pretty quickly in the high caliber goods. The 1.42ct you mentioned is history and was an amazing rock at that pricepoint. Just recently we got our hands on a top line 1.49ct F VS2 and it sold before we could finish posting all it's stats. My advice to any consumers who are looking for rare high caliber goods in high demand clarities/colors ... if you find it don't wait too long to move on it if you're ready cause they don't last long.

 

[diamondsman]

I would not settle for an SI1 stone, for the kind of money you are willing to spend there are plenty of 1.35-1.49 F VS quality,or go up to a 1.50+ GVS Quality.
For 10k you should be able to get VS quality.

 

[Mara]

Just out of curiousity, Rhino, what was the price of the 1.49 F VS2 that sold right away?




SI stones represent EXCELLENT deals when you work with the right vendors. If it's eye-clean, it can save you a bundle and people don't ask the clarity of your stone, all they see is the sparkle and beauty, which of course is the cut.

 

[diamondsman]

I agree with mara, But the key word is IF it's an eye clean,I think you should go for a VS stone and dont settle for anything less.don't compromise! VS is as close to vvs-if without paying the price.

 

[phoenixgirl]

OK, I know it's not nice to show you something you can't have, but I found this in GOG's education section (meaning it's SOLD). It's everything you asked for except it was a tiny bit more $:

1.39 F VS2 7.25mm H&A

Good luck finding what you're looking for!

 

[aljdewey]

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On 3/25/2004 12:48:02 AM diamondsman wrote:





I agree with mara, But the key word is IF it's an eye clean,I think you should go for a VS stone and dont settle for anything less.don't compromise! VS is as close to vvs-if without paying the price.
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Yes, IF it's eyeclean........but it's not that hard to find eye-clean SI1 stones, especially is you're concentrating on stones with grading done by GIA or AGS.

Any of the oft-mentioned vendors here will tell you FLAT out if a stone is eyeclean or not, and you can take that to the BANK. There is a *HUGE* price break between VS2 and SI1 with virtually *no* visual sacrifice.

In fact, I look for great deals on the clean SI2 stones! My stone is a 1.24, H, SI2......and it's completely eyeclean. I still can't find the inclusions even under magnification because they are white and wispy. SI2 is a *mammoth* savings if you find a clean one!

Melanie, I really agree with Mara that SI1 is the way to go to maximize your dollar and put yourself where you want to be in size/color/cut, etc.

 

[Rhino]

Hi Mara,




It was right around 12k. Of H&A's we get to test in our lab it received the rarest of optical results. Triple VH via B'scope, 9.8 via Isee2, picture perfect H&A and a signature LightScope result. It's in our educational diamonds section now if you want to check it out.




You are right on about SI1's too. For the most part they are generally eye clean but I always stress a physical examination of the diamond before any money is spent having it appraised etc. If a consumer happens to find a VS stone that is in their budget that has superior optics I would suggest getting that and not necessarily waiting around for the same caliber rock in a SI as it is unpredictable when that could show up.




My .02c

 

[diamondsman]

If you want to spend 10k and you want quality, stick to VS . If you ever want to upgrade VS Quality are more desirable to dealers.

 

[Mara]

Quality means many things, but I don't think it's automatically synonymous with VS. Melanie, shop around, and if you see a great SI1...don't be afraid to check it out. A good vendor will carry SI1s and even SI2s with non-eye visible inclusions and those would be the ones *I* would want to work with.




Good luck gal!

 

[Melanie611]

Thank you for the responses, everyone. All of you have been so helpful. As far as color, I really don't want to go down to a grade G color. I was originally aiming for a D or E. I like the icy whiteness of them. F was the lowest I would go. And I really don't care to go up to 1.5cts. Not only for the price, but also for the size. Who knew a few 10ths of a millimeter would make so much difference?

7.25mm was the maximum I wanted. I wouldn't mind something around 7.15-7.2 either. I guess I'll just continue looking. Do all the sites have the same stock? I've been going to various ones (not only those on pricescope) and they all seem similar. And how often are new diamonds usually added?

 

[aljdewey]

Well, Melanie, that being the case, you won't likely get it for $10K.




I did, though, find a ring that fits the diameter you requested and is an F stone....




1.39, F, VS1, AGS0 with AWESOME parameters for $11,227


http://www.dirtcheapdiamonds.com/diamond_detail.cfm?did=6881172




(measures 7.15-7.19)




As the others have pointed out, you're really in a tough range....those stones disappear quickly, so this might be your best option.




Good luck.

 

[tahoet]

Hello you need to go to a diamond district. Philly or newyork. Barskys in philly or lauriats. Don't buy at mall or diamond store anywhere else.

 

[Nicrez]

No offense, I disagree with Tim on that last idea. I work across the street from New York's Diamond District and I would NEVER NEVER recommend anyone to go there and buy anything for several reasons.




First off, these people are mostly in the business of ripping people off, so they see someone who knows a little but not enough, and they can spin you in circles until they have you spending twice the amount of money on a hunk of glass! VERY VERY VERY few are the people who can go in there and wheel and deal their way to a perfect ring, getting the best price (unless the know someone who is RELATED to them on the INSIDE) I have literally dealt with almost 60% of the vendors on that street (many are hidden in the taller buildings that NO CONSUMER has access to, unless by private appointment and referral)




I have to say that these people are about pure profit, in the worst way, and they have good and bad stones. Who do you think WANTS a bad stone, unless they hear from an expert it's a "GOOD" stone... They have to sell the good AND the bad...




Almost none of these guys have sophisticated equipment or know about HCA or I-Scopes or other such things, because they have sold diamonds to ignorant customers for over 20+ years. They know everything, so they shut down to any new methods. These guys mostly see 60/60 diamonds as the best, and even H&A is a lost term on some of these vendors. On top of that they do sell to so many people, if they get irritated, they brush you off or act rude, and they know another 40 people will walk through that door and spend 2x your price for a lesser stone, because those poor people know no better. They all go to the districts because everyone says that is the place to go...




Most diamond shoppers RELY on these guys (the experts) to tell them about and show them good stones, and they are like lambs to the slaughter...Even the ugly diamonds get sold, and they always have a "one day sale" or pressure you by saying, "someone else was looking at this stone". They don't like giving you copies of certs unless you buy it or "can't find it" once you HAVE bought it (yes that is VERY common), and many don't want to give you Sarins. I have found a FEW good jewlers, but they are rare, and being a newbie I WILL NEVER recommend going to a Diamond District alone without a gemologist or a VERY knowledegable person by your side. Honestly. You don't swim with sharks unless you can bite back. I know it seems pessimistic, but I have 4 people who just did this whole diamond district shopping thing and all 4 where ripped off, as well as my own three months of torture with these people...




Please, try the PS vendors first, then read up as much as possible. Post stones you SEE in the districts, but buy from the best price and best service of anyone, when PS members can tell you it's a good buy or not...Good luck!!!

 

[aljdewey]

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On 3/26/2004 11:56:28 AM tahoet wrote:





Hello you need to go to a diamond district. Philly or newyork. Barskys in philly or lauriats. Don't buy at mall or diamond store anywhere else.
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With due respect......this is not advice I'd follow at ALL.

 

[mike04456]

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On 3/26/2004 11:56:28 AM tahoet wrote:





Hello you need to go to a diamond district. Philly or newyork. Barskys in philly or lauriats. Don't buy at mall or diamond store anywhere else.
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Laugh!

Seriously, as Nicez says, diamond district shopping is a lot like shopping at Home Depot (or another warehouse store). If you know what you're doing and exactly what you need, you can find it at a good price. But if you're the average neophyte shopper, you're asking for trouble.