Is blue the only color for fluorescence?

[Ellen]

Flo on right, in bright daylight, on dirty patio table.

 

[Ellen]

Inside in natural light. (flo on left)

 

[ButterBean]

Date: 8/4/2008 9:42:48 AM
Author: arjunajane

Date: 8/4/2008 9:22:11 AM
Author: ButterBean
Thanks, diamondexpert. I don''t suppose you might have a comparison like that where they were in sun??
I guess I''m wondering what a stone with blue flour will look like, especially out in the sun. I have read where a few posters have said it turns a light blue, or lavender blue color. I would love to see what it looks like. The only stone with flour I have personally seen was at a local b&m. It was very cloudy and unattractive. So, although the black light effect is a novelty for sure, I am too old for nightclubbing, but WILL be out in the sun often.
BB

Hey butterbean.
Like you, many PS''ers are keen on the idea of fluor in their stones - after all, its really just another fun aspect to have in your stone!

This may not be the best example, but here''s a pic of my AGS med fluor in direct sunlight. As you mentioned, it turns a violet-ish colour.
The stone that you mentioned at your local B&M is definately not the norm as far as PS-vendors and fluor stones go. I have never seen a pic of an oily/hazy stone, but I understand they are actually quite a rare occurence.

There are many similiar pics of fluoro in sunlight in the SMTR threads if you are interested.

WOW, Arjunajane, that is just gorgeous!

I will try to go through the SMTR thread yet again to find more.

 

[ButterBean]

Lorelei, that pic of Belle''s stone is what I was thinking that mb would look like. Boy am I still learning ... that was just the sky? I will keep absorbing all the knowledge that you guys patiently continue to toss our way. Thanks much!
BB

 

[ButterBean]

Date: 8/4/2008 6:50:26 PM
Author: Ellen
Inside in natural light. (flo on left)

Ellen, I do see the slight cloudiness you mention, but not as blue as I would have thought. So, like so many other things, this might be something that you really do need to see the stone in person for. Since the properties don''t seem uniform from one to the next?
Still fascinating, though. I can''t believe how addictive this site is!!!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/4/2008 8:14:44 PM
Author: ButterBean
Ellen, I do see the slight cloudiness you mention, but not as blue as I would have thought. So, like so many other things, this might be something that you really do need to see the stone in person for. Since the properties don''t seem uniform from one to the next?
Still fascinating, though. I can''t believe how addictive this site is!!!

Nope, me either. (as I said, these were pre-ps, so I have never tried to really get the flo color before)

If you do a search on here, there are lots of informational threads, and in a couple are conversations about how it might be that a med. graded stone could appear more colorful than a strong. Part of it has to do with the areas of the stone that fluoresce, it isn''t always running through the entire stone. So yes, if you are considering one, it would be best to see it in person, especially if you are wanting it to show up a lot.


And yes, it''s terribly addictive.....

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/4/2008 8:28:51 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 8/4/2008 8:14:44 PM
Author: ButterBean
Ellen, I do see the slight cloudiness you mention, but not as blue as I would have thought. So, like so many other things, this might be something that you really do need to see the stone in person for. Since the properties don''t seem uniform from one to the next?
Still fascinating, though. I can''t believe how addictive this site is!!!

Nope, me either. (as I said, these were pre-ps, so I have never tried to really get the flo color before)

If you do a search on here, there are lots of informational threads, and in a couple are conversations about how it might be that a med. graded stone could appear more colorful than a strong. Part of it has to do with the areas of the stone that fluoresce, it isn''t always running through the entire stone. So yes, if you are considering one, it would be best to see it in person, especially if you are wanting it to show up a lot.


And yes, it''s terribly addictive.....

Cloudiness and blueness are not related.
The haziness is usually whiteish and you will see it best our of direct sunlight.
If a strong blue does not go blueish in sunlight then that would be odd - but so what?

Check for haziness in shaded daylight and if there is none you have a good stone with benefits of apparently better colour in some lights and lower cost.

If I can say for the 1000th time, there is nothing to be gained ever looking at diamonds in direct sunlight (other than perhaps seeing if blue fluoro stones go blue, or taking fun photo''s to show firey flashes).

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 8/4/2008 8:03:37 PM
Author: ButterBean

WOW, Arjunajane, that is just gorgeous!

I will try to go through the SMTR thread yet again to find more.

Thanks BB - like El mentioned, there are alot of fun thread on the subject.



Glitterata, I don''t believe what you have described is whats present in my photo due to the strong purple colour (the sky was not purple that day

).

 

[glitterata]

Arjunajane, to me it looks like the diamond in your picture is showing some purple from the fluorescence and also reflecting the sky. I thought it would be helpful to see some nonfluorescent diamonds reflecting the sky, so people could tell the difference. Lorelei and Ellen showed some very helpful pictures.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 8/5/2008 12:52:55 AM
Author: glitterata
Arjunajane, to me it looks like the diamond in your picture is showing some purple from the fluorescence and also reflecting the sky. I thought it would be helpful to see some nonfluorescent diamonds reflecting the sky, so people could tell the difference. Lorelei and Ellen showed some very helpful pictures.

agreed

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/4/2008 8:10:11 PM
Author: ButterBean
Lorelei, that pic of Belle's stone is what I was thinking that mb would look like. Boy am I still learning ... that was just the sky? I will keep absorbing all the knowledge that you guys patiently continue to toss our way. Thanks much!
BB

Apparently it was just the sky in that pic - no fluorescence in that rock!

Thanks Glitterata and AJ!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/4/2008 10:26:59 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/4/2008 8:28:51 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 8/4/2008 8:14:44 PM
Author: ButterBean
Ellen, I do see the slight cloudiness you mention, but not as blue as I would have thought. So, like so many other things, this might be something that you really do need to see the stone in person for. Since the properties don''t seem uniform from one to the next?
Still fascinating, though. I can''t believe how addictive this site is!!!

Nope, me either. (as I said, these were pre-ps, so I have never tried to really get the flo color before)

If you do a search on here, there are lots of informational threads, and in a couple are conversations about how it might be that a med. graded stone could appear more colorful than a strong. Part of it has to do with the areas of the stone that fluoresce, it isn''t always running through the entire stone. So yes, if you are considering one, it would be best to see it in person, especially if you are wanting it to show up a lot.


And yes, it''s terribly addictive.....

Cloudiness and blueness are not related.
The haziness is usually whiteish and you will see it best our of direct sunlight.
If a strong blue does not go blueish in sunlight then that would be odd - but so what?

Check for haziness in shaded daylight and if there is none you have a good stone with benefits of apparently better colour in some lights and lower cost.

If I can say for the 1000th time, there is nothing to be gained ever looking at diamonds in direct sunlight (other than perhaps seeing if blue fluoro stones go blue, or taking fun photo''s to show firey flashes).

Morning Mr. Holloway

I never said cloudiness and blueness were related, though from everything that has been written about S-VS flo, they can go hand in hand on a stone. I don''t really need to put it in the sun to know it doesn''t look as good as the other stone, but the independant appraiser confirmed the flo is affecting the appearance of it. I took one of them in the direct sun because glitterata asked if someone could, and thought I''d point out that mine shows hazy.


But, just for you, because you asked, and in that awesome accent I can just imagine, I took one in a shaded area just for you. The sun was nowhere in site, I swear.

And, just so ya know, that last picture I already posted was inside, the sun wasn''t shining on it either.

(you''re the only real expert I''ve ever heard say to check in shade, not sun, but then, you''re different like that)

.


I won''t say which is which, I think everyone will be able to tell. And btw, these aren''t ideal cut, so neither looks great.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/5/2008 6:30:46 AM
Author: Lorelei

Thanks Glitterata and AJ!

Ditto!!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/5/2008 9:51:38 AM
Author: Ellen
Morning Mr. Holloway

I never said cloudiness and blueness were related, though from everything that has been written about S-VS flo, they can go hand in hand on a stone. I don''t really need to put it in the sun to know it doesn''t look as good as the other stone, but the independant appraiser confirmed the flo is affecting the appearance of it. I took one of them in the direct sun because glitterata asked if someone could, and thought I''d point out that mine shows hazy.


But, just for you, because you asked, and in that awesome accent I can just imagine, I took one in a shaded area just for you. The sun was nowhere in site, I swear.

And, just so ya know, that last picture I already posted was inside, the sun wasn''t shining on it either.

(you''re the only real expert I''ve ever heard say to check in shade, not sun, but then, you''re different like that)

.


I won''t say which is which, I think everyone will be able to tell. And btw, these aren''t ideal cut, so neither looks great.

The stone on the left is hazy?
it is tricky because they are not facing direct to camera Ellen.

To do that the stones have to face inwards both pointing to the lens.

 

[Vismay Zaveri]

I have heard about a treatment in israel which can remove fluoresence from certain kind of diamonds.Do you have any info on that???

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/5/2008 4:05:44 PM
Author: Vismay Zaveri
I have heard about a treatment in israel which can remove fluoresence from certain kind of diamonds.Do you have any info on that???

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/5/2008 3:50:58 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
The stone on the left is hazy?
it is tricky because they are not facing direct to camera Ellen.

To do that the stones have to face inwards both pointing to the lens.

lol How did I know you''d say that?

It really shouldn''t matter, I can turn my other (well cut, non flo) stones sideways and they don''t look like that. But ok, just for you, in my kitchen.

And I can understanding you questioning me, but why you arguing with the IA Gar?

Can you tell I had a blue shirt on?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/5/2008 4:11:43 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/5/2008 4:05:44 PM
Author: Vismay Zaveri
I have heard about a treatment in israel which can remove fluoresence from certain kind of diamonds.Do you have any info on that???

Hey Baby, no holding out now

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/5/2008 4:59:52 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 8/5/2008 3:50:58 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
The stone on the left is hazy?
it is tricky because they are not facing direct to camera Ellen.

To do that the stones have to face inwards both pointing to the lens.

lol How did I know you''d say that?

It really shouldn''t matter, I can turn my other (well cut, non flo) stones sideways and they don''t look like that. But ok, just for you, in my kitchen. Have a look at how much we had to turn these to get them to face the camera Ellen - you can see by the reflection on the glass lids

And I can understanding you questioning me, but why you arguing with the IA Gar? Sorry ellen, I argue with so many people

who is IA Gar?

Can you tell I had a blue shirt on?

The one on the right is hazy?

 

[ButterBean]

You guys are too much!
Not only are you forthcoming with information and advice, but you''re sooo entertaining too! Thank you Garry and everyone else who posted.
BB

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/5/2008 8:59:06 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/5/2008 4:59:52 PM
Author: Ellen

lol How did I know you''d say that?

It really shouldn''t matter, I can turn my other (well cut, non flo) stones sideways and they don''t look like that. But ok, just for you, in my kitchen. Have a look at how much we had to turn these to get them to face the camera Ellen - you can see by the reflection on the glass lids

And I can understanding you questioning me, but why you arguing with the IA Gar? Sorry ellen, I argue with so many people

who is IA Gar?

Can you tell I had a blue shirt on?

The one on the right is hazy?

Yes Gary. I actually find it rather obvious, I take it you don''t?

And yes, I know you love to argue. No one can say you''re not consistent.

IA is for Independant Appraiser, the one who saw the stone and said the appearance was indeed affected by the flo.

Butterbean, glad you had a good time.

And you''re very welcome!