IS and ASET images - ideal, or just ok?

[TorontoBuyer]

Hi all,

I''d really appreciate opinions on the following images (hoping they attach correctly!). The IS looks good to me, though the ASET seems slightly asymmetrical. How do these look?

ASET pic to follow.

Thanks

 

[TorontoBuyer]

ASET image:

 

[Lorelei]

They both look great, the ASET being slightly tilted may be due to just that, the stone was slightly tilted or the equipment was when the image was taken.

 

[TorontoBuyer]

Thanks Lorelei. No concerns about the IS at all, even picky ones? This particular stone has a 35ish/41ish combo so I was anticipating some light leakage near the centre... but is that not the case here, so the 35/41 combo isn''t an issue as it might be in other stones?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/17/2008 10:56:39 AM
Author: TorontoBuyer
Thanks Lorelei. No concerns about the IS at all, even picky ones? This particular stone has a 35ish/41ish combo so I was anticipating some light leakage near the centre... but is that not the case here, so the 35/41 combo isn't an issue as it might be in other stones?

I am not an expert, but there are no concerns from me, that particular stone looks good in my opinion!

 

[TorontoBuyer]

Thanks again for the reply, Lorelei.

Just in the process of buying this stone... but I''d also appreciate thoughts on this inclusion plot. It''s from a 2004 AGS Diamond Quality Report (DQR), which I understand doesn''t have as much detail as the DQD document... but I''d still like to know if these inclusions are of any concern (I''m told it''s eyeclean - VS2). Also, what types of inclusions are the lines with small dashes through them - feathers? The DQR doesn''t provide any detail.

Thanks all

 

[strmrdr]

funky aset and IS is a result of painting.
Its not a stone I would buy.

 

[strmrdr]

The predicted AGS cut score goes from 0-1 border with no painting too a 3-4 border with that level of painting.

 

[TorontoBuyer]

Wow...ok, thanks strmdr. Any chance you could elaborate a bit to help me understand how this might affect performance? Is there additional info I could request to help (this is from WF)?

Thanks much...

 

[strmrdr]

reduces contrast and on/off scint.
in some combos its not that big a deal in this one it is.

 

[TorontoBuyer]

Jeez. Spent an hour on the phone with Brian last week discussing this one, and he assured me it was a great stone. I''ll drop WF a note in the am...and perhaps re-start my search (after reading some more to fully understand what you just wrote, which isn''t sinking in too well at 2am!).

Thx again

 

[honey22]

Date: 4/22/2008 2:22:18 AM
Author: TorontoBuyer
Jeez. Spent an hour on the phone with Brian last week discussing this one, and he assured me it was a great stone. I''ll drop WF a note in the am...and perhaps re-start my search (after reading some more to fully understand what you just wrote, which isn''t sinking in too well at 2am!).

Thx again

Not to say that storm is wrong (he does know his stuff) , but I would say that if Brian looked at this stone and gave it the ok, then it''s still worth considering.

Is there an ACA in your pricerange with similar specs? Maybe you could ask Brian/WF how this stone compares to an ACA - if he says it''s up there than go with it, if not maybe you could find something in the ACA range maybe?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/22/2008 5:11:05 AM
Author: honey22

Date: 4/22/2008 2:22:18 AM
Author: TorontoBuyer
Jeez. Spent an hour on the phone with Brian last week discussing this one, and he assured me it was a great stone. I'll drop WF a note in the am...and perhaps re-start my search (after reading some more to fully understand what you just wrote, which isn't sinking in too well at 2am!).

Thx again

Not to say that storm is wrong (he does know his stuff) , but I would say that if Brian looked at this stone and gave it the ok, then it's still worth considering.

Is there an ACA in your pricerange with similar specs? Maybe you could ask Brian/WF how this stone compares to an ACA - if he says it's up there than go with it, if not maybe you could find something in the ACA range maybe?

Definitely. With respect to Strm, Brian is the best one to judge and in the best position to advise you.

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Date: 4/22/2008 1:47:04 AM
Author: strmrdr
funky aset and IS is a result of painting.
Its not a stone I would buy.

I am sorry, Storm, but I do not for sure see any painting in this stone, based upon the IS.

 

[Stephan]

What are the angles? Something like 40.9-35?
That's why storm thinks the diamond is painted, because of the good light return at the edges.
With a shallower diamond, you should see more white at the edges with the IS.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/22/2008 6:14:13 AM
Author: QueenMum
What are the angles? Something like 40.9-35?
That's why storm thinks the diamond is painted, because of the good light return at the edges.
With a shallower diamond, you should see more white at the edges with the IS.

Storm doesn't think this a good diamond Stephan, despite Brian saying in his professional opinion, that it is a great stone.

 

[Showmethefire]

Hi Torontobuyer, I must say that when I saw the ASET pic I thought the girdles might have been painted as well, but I must confess I can''t be too sure. I haven''t reached the level where just by looking at the diamond IS and ASET images that the diamond has had its girdles painted.
To really know whether the girdles have been painted, you will have to ask them for a detailed Sarin report, with the girdle specs in as well.
To read up more about girdle painting, do check out this weblink.
http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/NewCutGrading/Painting/

 

[Showmethefire]

Hi Toronto, look at the ASET image of a painted girdle vs a classic girdle on the weblink from GOG and you will understand why storm and I thought that the girdles are painted.

Its actually harder to detect girdle painting with Idealscope than ASET.

Hope I''ve helped.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/22/2008 7:58:27 AM
Author: Showmethefire
Hi Torontobuyer, I must say that when I saw the ASET pic I thought the girdles might have been painted as well, but I must confess I can't be too sure. I haven't reached the level where just by looking at the diamond IS and ASET images that the diamond has had its girdles painted.
To really know whether the girdles have been painted, you will have to ask them for a detailed Sarin report, with the girdle specs in as well.
To read up more about girdle painting, do check out this weblink.
http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/NewCutGrading/Painting/

I know you are trying to help smtf, but I think personally the definitive answer as to whether any painting done or not done has affected the quality of this stone negatively or positively, is best answered by the experts really in this case, so that Torontobuyer can make the best decision based on accurate info by someone who can actually see the stone.

Hope you don't mind me mentioning that.

 

[Showmethefire]

Date: 4/22/2008 8:04:33 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/22/2008 7:58:27 AM

Author: Showmethefire

Hi Torontobuyer, I must say that when I saw the ASET pic I thought the girdles might have been painted as well, but I must confess I can''t be too sure. I haven''t reached the level where just by looking at the diamond IS and ASET images that the diamond has had its girdles painted.

To really know whether the girdles have been painted, you will have to ask them for a detailed Sarin report, with the girdle specs in as well.

To read up more about girdle painting, do check out this weblink.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/NewCutGrading/Painting/

The definitive answer as to whether any painting done or not done has affected the quality of this stone negatively or positively, is best answered by the experts really in this case, so that Torontobuyer can make the best decision based on accurate info by someone who can actually see the stone.

Hope you don''t mind me mentioning that.

I agree on the part about checking with an expert, but however, the more I look at the ASET image, and compare it with an e.g from GOG''s website, the more I am to inclined to think that the diamond has been painted. Look at areas between the arrows heads.
Again, I am not a gemologist, just a diamond enthusiast, so don''t take my word for it. I may be worrying Toronto unnecessarily.
At the end of the day, the only real way for me to tell is to look at the girdle specs.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/22/2008 8:12:03 AM
Author: Showmethefire

Date: 4/22/2008 8:04:33 AM

I agree on the part about checking with an expert, but however, the more I look at the ASET image, and compare it with an e.g from GOG's website, the more I am to inclined to think that the diamond has been painted. Look at areas between the arrows heads.
Again, I am not a gemologist, just a diamond enthusiast, so don't take my word for it. I may be worrying Toronto unnecessarily.
At the end of the day, the only real way for me to tell is to look at the girdle specs.

And that is what I am trying to avoid, is worrying Toronto unecessarily.

I have been here a long time now, and I have seen many times how easily this can happen, and although I am not an expert either, we try to understand our limitations as consumers with a real passion and some knowledge with diamonds, so we try to get the most accurate, best and expert advice for someone who may be concerned about a particular diamond. Especially with a diamond which is an in house stone which has been seen and approved by a true expert and cutter, who has studied and sold thousands of diamonds over the years, as have some of the other experts here. We don't want to add more uncertainty and doubt concerning a stone which may be perfectly fine.

The question is this - if this diamond has been painted, does it have a negative effect on the diamond? I think the person best able to answer that, is the person who is an expert who actually can see the diamond. If you have the time, or haven't already done so, do a search for painting or brillanteering and there will be more threads pop up than you ever thought possible!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 4/22/2008 2:22:18 AM
Author: TorontoBuyer
Jeez. Spent an hour on the phone with Brian last week discussing this one, and he assured me it was a great stone. I''ll drop WF a note in the am...and perhaps re-start my search (after reading some more to fully understand what you just wrote, which isn''t sinking in too well at 2am!).

Thx again

There''s your answer.

 

[Showmethefire]

Date: 4/22/2008 8:19:53 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/22/2008 8:12:03 AM

Author: Showmethefire

Date: 4/22/2008 8:04:33 AM

I agree on the part about checking with an expert, but however, the more I look at the ASET image, and compare it with an e.g from GOG''s website, the more I am to inclined to think that the diamond has been painted. Look at areas between the arrows heads.

Again, I am not a gemologist, just a diamond enthusiast, so don''t take my word for it. I may be worrying Toronto unnecessarily.

At the end of the day, the only real way for me to tell is to look at the girdle specs.

And that is what I am trying to avoid, is worrying Toronto unecessarily.

I have been here a long time now, and I have seen many times how easily this can happen, and although I am not an expert either, we try to understand our limitations as consumers with a real passion and some knowledge with diamonds, so we try to get the most accurate, best and expert advice for someone who may be concerned about a particular diamond. Especially with a diamond which is an in house stone which has been seen and approved by a true expert and cutter, who has studied and sold thousands of diamonds over the years, as have some of the other experts here. We don''t want to add more uncertainty and doubt concerning a stone which may be perfectly fine.

The question is this - if this diamond has been painted, does it have a negative effect on the diamond? I think the person best able to answer that, is the person who is an expert who actually can see the diamond. If you have the time, or haven''t already done so, do a search for painting or brillanteering and there will be more threads pop up than you ever thought possible!

Point taken, my apologies to Toronto, and all the best.

 

[Lorelei]

Thanks SMTF!

 

[TorontoBuyer]

Thanks so much for all the responses. I really appreciate both positive and negative views... my take here is ''trust, but verify''. So I''ll ask Brian about the possible painting, just to be sure. Hope I don''t offend him by doing so. I did ask for the .srn file (Sarin) but was told it''s against WF policy.

I haven''t yet had time to re-read the digging/painting tutorial on GOG, but the info is in my head somewhere... swimming around with target lgf% figures, side stone proportion figures, and a ton of other info from this site. Honestly, it''s all great - I don''t mind being overwhelmed. It''s part of the fun.

For those interested, here is the stone: http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-60339.htm# Didn''t post it earlier for fear of having it snapped up before I could decide to buy. Angles are 34.9/40.8 (though the Sarin shows 35/41).

I''ll post back once/if I get a response regarding the potential painting.

Cheers

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/22/2008 9:00:12 AM
Author: TorontoBuyer
Thanks so much for all the responses. I really appreciate both positive and negative views... my take here is 'trust, but verify'. So I'll ask Brian about the possible painting, just to be sure. Hope I don't offend him by doing so. I did ask for the .srn file (Sarin) but was told it's against WF policy.

I haven't yet had time to re-read the digging/painting tutorial on GOG, but the info is in my head somewhere... swimming around with target lgf% figures, side stone proportion figures, and a ton of other info from this site. Honestly, it's all great - I don't mind being overwhelmed. It's part of the fun.

For those interested, here is the stone: http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-60339.htm# Didn't post it earlier for fear of having it snapped up before I could decide to buy. Angles are 34.9/40.8 (though the Sarin shows 35/41).

I'll post back once/if I get a response regarding the potential painting.

Cheers

I know you won't offend Brian by asking him as many questions as you need to, he would want you to be as comfortable as possible with your purchase!

As to the stone, it looks GORGEOUS to me!!!!!!! D and VS with med blue fluorescence, lovely....

 

[Ellen]

Yowzers, that''s one purty stone there!

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/22/2008 6:03:40 AM
Author: Paul-Antwerp

Date: 4/22/2008 1:47:04 AM
Author: strmrdr
funky aset and IS is a result of painting.
Its not a stone I would buy.

I am sorry, Storm, but I do not for sure see any painting in this stone, based upon the IS.

I ran the base combo thru DC aset definatly painted.

 

[strmrdr]

no painting..

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Date: 4/22/2008 9:34:34 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 4/22/2008 6:03:40 AM
Author: Paul-Antwerp

Date: 4/22/2008 1:47:04 AM
Author: strmrdr
funky aset and IS is a result of painting.
Its not a stone I would buy.

I am sorry, Storm, but I do not for sure see any painting in this stone, based upon the IS.

I ran the base combo thru DC aset definatly painted.

I ran the pic through my professional experience:

Not ''definitely'' painted.
Not necessarily the negative effects, that you described, and definitely not so in such a black/white-manner.

Live long,