Is 60.2 depth any kind of red flag?

[johngalt2004]

I looked for stones on a pricescope search, and I cannot find very many with this low a depth measurement.

I have this to consider:

ags000
56.7 table
60.2 depth
40.9 PA
34.3 CA

comes up great on HCA - better than any other options that have been made available to me so far. But like I said I cannot find any like it on a search of the site.

Can these proportions be correct? Does it mean there is something funky wiht the girdle or culet? I would think ags000 woudl preclude too funky a girdle or culet??

 

[vivianv]

My stone has a depth of 60.3 . It has an HCA of 1.6. I don''t see the depth as being aproblem unless something else in the dimensions is out of kilter. BUT I am so far away from being an expert on the subject...I can only go by my particular stones looks and it is full of fire and brightness.

 

[stebbo]

Date: 9/28/2007 12:12:40 AM
Author:johngalt2004
I looked for stones on a pricescope search, and I cannot find very many with this low a depth measurement.

I have this to consider:

ags000
56.7 table
60.2 depth
40.9 PA
34.3 CA

comes up great on HCA - better than any other options that have been made available to me so far. But like I said I cannot find any like it on a search of the site.

Can these proportions be correct? Does it mean there is something funky wiht the girdle or culet? I would think ags000 woudl preclude too funky a girdle or culet??

60.2 isn't a red flag in itself, but with those other proportions, the girdle would be getting pretty thin. That it received an AGS0 makes me believe it's either borderline thin, or a culet is rescuing it.

 

[johngalt2004]

Are those reason to avoid it? I''m ready to pull the trigger tomorrow. The other choice was a 2.6 HCA with 41.2 PA, 33.6 CA... but the depth was 61.1. Garry said he had "no problem with it" but I am prepared to pay more for closer to an HCA and Tolk "bullseye" - plus this one is represented to have "the real thing" hearts and arrows (something my jeweler isn''t really "into" but he said these look just like textbook).

I asked my jeweler if he could get anything closer to a bullseye (less than 41.2 PA) and was very happy he found one for me with an excellent HCA score of 1.3. But maybe I''m outsmarting myself?

What can go wrong if the girdle is borderline thin.. or the culet is saving it... either way?

The HCA doesn''t give the "Dangerously Thin" warning till you bring the depth all the way down to 58.6

Right before the "too thin" warning it hits the best score of all at 1.1 at the 58.7 depth. Maybe they are like old Martin guitars that sound best right when they are on the brink of cracking?

I''m maybe just looking a gift horse in the mouth here? I am suspicious and skeptical after all we''ve been through that he can deliver a stone with these specs... maybe he''ll do anything to get rid of me for good though and it is all fine.

I''d like to get comfortable that this is safe because it is also a dead on 1-A score on the AGA.

So I''m really rooting for this to be a happy ending to a long painful search!

I''m paying about 11% more for it than the 2.6 (but this is also one clarity grade better). The jeweler thinks a zero is a zero and hasn''t heard of "my grid" (hca), but a lot of mind-cleanness for less than $1K is hard to resist! I asked him "so is this about as fine a make as I can get?" and he said "you already have that in the 1.19 - to me an ags zero is already the finest make, but it seems you will feel better with these proportions so maybe you should do it."

Unless it comes with it''s own demons from being not deep enough

 

[stebbo]

Date: 9/28/2007 1:51:14 AM
Author: johngalt2004

Are those reason to avoid it?
...
Unless it comes with it's own demons from being not deep enough

No, no reasons to avoid it. No demons from not being deep enough either, but if it has got a culet and you're superstitious that evil spirits will enter the diamond from below, maybe you should pass on it.

It's already passed AGS's girdle and culet tests by posting a zero and your crown isn't too shallow to cause concern. You even get to benefit by a bit of extra spread.

The diamond could alternatively have been painted slightly, thickening up the thin points--again that's ok if not extreme, and AGS would have penalized it for a poor weight ratio if it was extreme.

I definitely wouldn't pass up on him from what you know so far. Ensure that the report is dated 2005 on though, because AGS000 is redundant terminology now unless you're talking about a D IF.

If Garry's reading this, what girdle % do you kick the 'dangerously thin' warning in at? A quick DC with JohnGalt's proportions (and no culet) gives a 0.5% girdle which must be getting close?

 

[Lorelei]

Its a potentially beautiful diamond with excellent numbers, no worries there!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

A depth of 60 to 62 is wonderful. You don''t need to worry especially if the stone is really AGS000. If the girdle was too thin, it would not make that grade.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 9/28/2007 8:03:52 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006
A depth of 60 to 62 is wonderful. You don''t need to worry especially if the stone is really AGS000. If the girdle was too thin, it would not make that grade.

A big "ditto" on this comment by DS.

Looks like a BEAUTY of a stone. I''d go with it. On a side note, nice that your jeweler has worked to understand what''s important to YOU and has come up with a way to meet it.

 

[kcoursolle]

I love depths in this range because they can make the stone face up larger and in this case not sacrifice performance.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 9/28/2007 12:12:40 AM
Author:johngalt2004
I looked for stones on a pricescope search, and I cannot find very many with this low a depth measurement.

I have this to consider:

ags000
56.7 table
60.2 depth
40.9 PA
34.3 CA

comes up great on HCA - better than any other options that have been made available to me so far. But like I said I cannot find any like it on a search of the site.

Can these proportions be correct? Does it mean there is something funky wiht the girdle or culet? I would think ags000 woudl preclude too funky a girdle or culet??

This stone probably has a gIA thin girdle if it is under 1ct (depending on its size, if it over 10ct it would be thick or very thick).

 

[johngalt2004]

Garry: it is 1.17 ct

Sound safe?

Thanks... I go in an hour to decide... I hope you pick up this question

 

[diamondseeker2006]

John, this stone is AGS000, right? It will be fine, seriously!!!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Should be about 0.04mm and on the border of GIA VThin / medium. Sweet.
What is and does the grading report say?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 9/28/2007 8:49:55 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Should be about 0.04mm and on the border of GIA VThin / medium. Sweet.
What is and does the grading report say?

typo - the V was ot meant to be there - Thin / Medium

 

[johngalt2004]

guess I should switch to decaf...

i''m a little wrung out from a rough couple weeks and now I''m off to compare stones and move things toward a "wrap-up". I don''t want any more "do-overs" or remorse after this evening''s session... so I''m just nervous. Think I''ll meditate a bit to prep.

 

[johngalt2004]

Date: 9/28/2007 8:50:33 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 9/28/2007 8:49:55 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Should be about 0.04mm and on the border of GIA VThin / medium. Sweet.
What is and does the grading report say?

typo - the V was ot meant to be there - Thin / Medium

The cert showed a perfectly fine thin/medium girdle and there is no culet. I failed to write down the measures... maybe it was like 1% - 2.99% or something like that. Nothing special or scary. The GG assured me it was not especially fragile. For whatever reason... the issue was all in my head. The stone was sound as a pound and extremely pretty.

Diameter is 6.87 for a 1.17. Not exceptional but not bad I think? A little bigger than the 1.19 I was considering though which was 6.84 avg.

I wonder why they don''t make more 60.2 depth stones? It is cool!

 

[Regular Guy]

So have you made a selection?

 

[johngalt2004]

Yeah man and I get to pick it up tomorrow before noon (the SI1 1.17). It is not a H&A but it is an ags0, HCA 1.3, aga 1A triple crown winner

And I am very very pleased with the stone, the setting, and the adventure. Wish I had come here first! I wonder if anyone else has ever said that lol!

Now I can be somebody else's "diamond guy". By pointing them to Pricescope!

You guys are the best! I hope circumstances are such that I can support the vendors here and direct other people to come here at the start of their search.