inside the diamond

[Cehrabehra]

So yesterday I went and looked at some diamonds and was looking at this yellow radiant and thinking, you know - this really is pretty in its own way. Very glittery, but no big or even medium flashes of fire... but I did notice there were two types... one broke the surface and one seemed to be *inside* the stone. My stone has much larger flashes of fire that break the surface, but it has the same glittery look *inside* the stone, like bubbles in champagne (and we''re not talking inclusions) that are a rainbow of glitter, but I''m talking about refractions, the tiniest of them, that occur all over inside the stone. I have a pic, its blurry, but because its blurry it kinda magnifies the little glitters. They''re so tiny that they are more of a scintillation attribute that doesn''t photo super well. I have always called these pinfire, but looking at the radiant yesterday I was like, no... the pinfire I bet is just the stuff that is dancing off the top of the stone, not referring to the stuff breaking up in the virtual facets within the stone. None of the rounds I''ve looked at have this quality... and in a radiant it is all over and on my stone it is mostly on the ends, and even more in the corners where the highest concentration of small facets are.

So, does this have a name?

 

[Cehrabehra]

Here''s another one.... even more blurry.... btw about 30% of them are the color of my diamond and the other 70% are spectrum and they are visible from a normal viewing distance 1-2feet. They are not dust or inclusions and they don''t seem to break the surface but obviously the light is escaping the stone and reaching my eye... it just seems to be internal refraction that is mostly done before it breaks the surface.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Here's another pic - ignore the fire flare at the culet... but see all of those little tiny rainbow dots around the rest of the stone?

 

[strmrdr]

crushed ice look.

 

[decodelighted]

I always think of those crushed ice radiant sparkles as easter basket cellophane scrunched up and stuffed into a glass box.

ETA: Cehra ... I've had four seizures already looking at your avatar.

 

[SuzyQZ]

Non-scientific name... internal confetti bursts??

 

[SuzyQZ]

more in focus

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 2:49:38 PM
Author: decodelighted
I always think of those crushed ice radiant sparkles as easter basket cellophane scrunched up and stuffed into a glass box.

ETA: Cehra ... I''ve had four seizures already looking at your avatar.

I''m sorry about that - I took it off... I did a quick experiment and then kept trying to just click on the grey person outline and duh me I wasn''t clicking no for custom avatar and so it stayed longer than I expected LOL

I''m not going to put it in an avatar because its just too obnoxious - but for those curious, here is the finished one:

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 2:46:12 PM
Author: strmrdr
crushed ice look.

I think of the look of the facets as the crushed ice look, the white little choppy bits. I''m talking about the *effect* of the sparkle within the stone that is probably *created* by the crushed ice look. My stone doesn''t have much of a crushed ice look, but it still reproduces that effect.

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 5/19/2007 3:07:55 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 5/19/2007 2:49:38 PM
Author: decodelighted
Cehra ... I''ve had four seizures already looking at your avatar.

I''m sorry about that - I took it off... I did a quick experiment and then kept trying to just click on the grey person outline and duh me I wasn''t clicking no for custom avatar and so it stayed longer than I expected LOL

I''m not going to put it in an avatar because its just too obnoxious - but for those curious, here is the finished one:

I was really just teasing ... but you know, its funny ... the one you just posted seems a different SPEED that the avatar one. That one was super aggressive - thumping. This is more trippy, mellow. Did you change speeds or does it just post differently as an avatar vs. post file? Inquiring minds! I wish I could figure stuff like this out ... I was watching the cool diamond movies at someplace during DeeJay''s canary hunt -- I WORK IN VIDEO & can''t do little techie stuff myself! Will be trying Final Cut when our wedding Super8 film transfer finally comes in.

Oops. Hijack over.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 2:50:17 PM
Author: SuzyQZ
Non-scientific name... internal confetti bursts??

LOL Those are definitely them!! Are most of yours champagne colored or white or spectrum colored? Most of mine are champagne but I think that''s the effect of white light going through my diamond in a way that isn''t so direct that it comes back to the eye white still. It is definitely light that is bouncing around in there like a pinball machine! I should say champagne hued is the most common color, but it isn''t even half.

 

[Love in Bloom]

Cehra (hehee my name is Sara with an H),

I have been admiring your stone for quite some time and I loooove those chunky facets

While I do not have anything to add to why your diamond sparkles as it does, I must say that I do VERY MUCH enjoy the pics of your stone. I am fascinated with the fire thread and your animation is like the ultimate diamond **** for me (please excuse my unrefined vocabulary

). How do you make an avatar like the one you just posted?

Just curious, LinB

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 3:13:55 PM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 5/19/2007 3:07:55 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 5/19/2007 2:49:38 PM
Author: decodelighted
Cehra ... I''ve had four seizures already looking at your avatar.

I''m sorry about that - I took it off... I did a quick experiment and then kept trying to just click on the grey person outline and duh me I wasn''t clicking no for custom avatar and so it stayed longer than I expected LOL

I''m not going to put it in an avatar because its just too obnoxious - but for those curious, here is the finished one:

I was really just teasing ... but you know, its funny ... the one you just posted seems a different SPEED that the avatar one. That one was super aggressive - thumping. This is more trippy, mellow. Did you change speeds or does it just post differently as an avatar vs. post file? Inquiring minds! I wish I could figure stuff like this out ... I was watching the cool diamond movies at someplace during DeeJay''s canary hunt -- I WORK IN VIDEO & can''t do little techie stuff myself! Will be trying Final Cut when our wedding Super8 film transfer finally comes in.

Oops. Hijack over.

hey it''s "my" thread and "my" avatar so no hijack here! haha Yeah I changed the speeds - with that first one I was trying to see if a 100 pixel gif would shrink into the 96 pixel box and it did so I left my work at 100px. The original speed was 10 and I moved it to 20 I think... which is I think 20/100 of a sec??? That first one also had 3 pictures, two of which were the same pic but just different sizes of it... here''s that original:

I originally had 12 pics to use but narrowed it to 12 and didn''t use the pic in the above avatar that has the purple flash (the one I turned into frankenstein in that diamond face thread LOL)

I also didn''t like how even though I put time into getting the pics the same size and in the same location, it really didn''t flow as well as I''d hoped.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 3:16:03 PM
Author: Love in Bloom
Cehra (hehee my name is Sara with an H),

I have been admiring your stone for quite some time and I loooove those chunky facets

While I do not have anything to add to why your diamond sparkles as it does, I must say that I do VERY MUCH enjoy the pics of your stone. I am fascinated with the fire thread and your animation is like the ultimate diamond **** for me (please excuse my unrefined vocabulary

). How do you make an avatar like the one you just posted?

Just curious, LinB

Cehra is how I decided I wanted to spell my name when I was 14 LOL So much more interesting that plain old Sara and yet still sounded the same (to me at least lol)

I used Jasc Animation Shop 3.0 which is a pretty old program. I still use Jasc Paintshop as well... I have a newer corel version of paintshop and I just don''t like it as well. My needs are pretty basic and I am not fond of how idiot proof a lot of new programs are. They''re too restrictive. My old programs don''t do as much, but they do everything I need them to (and way more that I''ve never explored) For the record this is my first attempt at an animation that I can recall. If I''ve tried before it was years ago, its very easy to make the gif, much harder to edit the pics to try to get them to work.

You know... maybe I''ll try again and not try to make it look like a movie and just do a little photoalbum of my favorite shots.... that would be *way* easier anyway LOL

 

[Love in Bloom]

I have been staring at your animation for several minutes now, but now feeling kind of dizzy when I look away

. I think I should stop. Please, more pics!!! Thanks for the technical info too. That photo album idea sounds fantastic

 

[kcoursolle]

I have no idea what this quality is called, but I sure love the look of it. Pretty pictures!

Cehra, your flashy anamations are making me very dizzy LOL!!

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 3:30:20 PM
Author: Love in Bloom
I have been staring at your animation for several minutes now, but now feeling kind of dizzy when I look away

. I think I should stop. Please, more pics!!! Thanks for the technical info too. That photo album idea sounds fantastic

well, since you''re so sweet to indulge my diamond obsession in its long, long absence from me, here''s one with all 12 of the edited pictures... I''ll have to get around to a photoalbum thingy later

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 3:46:30 PM
Author: kcoursolle
I have no idea what this quality is called, but I sure love the look of it. Pretty pictures!

Cehra, your flashy anamations are making me very dizzy LOL!!

I know, I couldn''t do that even to myself in an avatar LOL especially with how prolific I am... I''d probably send all of the epileptics running in fear! LOL

 

[Love in Bloom]

Date: 5/19/2007 3:50:06 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 5/19/2007 3:30:20 PM
Author: Love in Bloom
I have been staring at your animation for several minutes now, but now feeling kind of dizzy when I look away

. I think I should stop. Please, more pics!!! Thanks for the technical info too. That photo album idea sounds fantastic

well, since you're so sweet to indulge my diamond obsession in its long, long absence from me, here's one with all 12 of the edited pictures... I'll have to get around to a photoalbum thingy later

Just dreamy!!! This one is gentler on the brain. Did you say your diamond is being set as we speak? I have a lot of catch-up reading to do!

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 3:54:16 PM
Author: Love in Bloom

Date: 5/19/2007 3:50:06 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 5/19/2007 3:30:20 PM
Author: Love in Bloom
I have been staring at your animation for several minutes now, but now feeling kind of dizzy when I look away

. I think I should stop. Please, more pics!!! Thanks for the technical info too. That photo album idea sounds fantastic

well, since you're so sweet to indulge my diamond obsession in its long, long absence from me, here's one with all 12 of the edited pictures... I'll have to get around to a photoalbum thingy later

Just dreamy!!! This one is gentler on the brain. Did you say your diamond is being set as we speak? I have a lot of catch-up reading to do!

The ring is being designed by Ocean Pearlman and I have given her quite a challenge! Thank goodness she is a very patient designer and I'm a very patient client! LOL

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 3:46:30 PM
Author: kcoursolle
I have no idea what this quality is called, but I sure love the look of it. Pretty pictures!

Thank you I''m sure your radiant does this as well? The sparkles on top and the sparkles inside?

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 2:46:12 PM
Author: strmrdr
crushed ice look.

also storm, you can see those sparkles even in the center of my diamond and there is definitely nothing crushed ice there... Small facets make small sparkles, big facets make big sparkles, and I''m sure these are the result of "virtual facets" or light that has been broken into tiny bits, refracted and continued to bounce around in there... and I''m guessing that they really don''t have a name?

 

[strmrdr]

the light path of a radiant is that the light bounces around in it multiple times in contrast the in and out nature of the RB.
This is used for colored stones because the more stone the light travels thru the more colored it looks when it is returned and the more color the stone shows.
This gives the multiple small sparkle look as the light bounces around and is broken up known as crushed ice.

 

[strmrdr]

actually it looks like I may have missed your real question...
The answer is scatter, light striking on or very near facet junctions is broken up and bounced around in an RB this is over powered by the other forms of light return most of the time.
This is a huge issue with diamonds used as lenses because any roughness of the surface can act as facets and the high RI of diamond makes it worse than with glass.
Which is one reason diamond lens research is going slowly.
Some ceramics are already being used but diamond would be better.
Hard enough not to get scratched and a high RI allowing for smaller lenses.

 

[strmrdr]

btw lens flare of the camera lens and coating will account for a lot of it.
Take the same picture from 6,3,1,.5 feet away and notice the difference.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 5:07:00 PM
Author: strmrdr
btw lens flare of the camera lens and coating will account for a lot of it.
Take the same picture from 6,3,1,.5 feet away and notice the difference.

Storm, I''m not trying to find out why that is in the pictures, I''m trying to find a name for what I see with my eyes that happens to be captured (somewhat) in these pictures.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 5:04:03 PM
Author: strmrdr
actually it looks like I may have missed your real question...
The answer is scatter, light striking on or very near facet junctions is broken up and bounced around in an RB this is over powered by the other forms of light return most of the time.
This is a huge issue with diamonds used as lenses because any roughness of the surface can act as facets and the high RI of diamond makes it worse than with glass.
Which is one reason diamond lens research is going slowly.
Some ceramics are already being used but diamond would be better.
Hard enough not to get scratched and a high RI allowing for smaller lenses.

scatter... okay (I''m reading your posts out of order) that sounds like it, and I''m guessing that even though we have a name for its *cause* and a name for the type of cut that *creates* it, there isn''t an actual name for the type of fire this is... so names like confetti bursts and rainbow bubbles are the best we have to go on? LOL

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 5/19/2007 7:54:54 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 5/19/2007 5:04:03 PM
Author: strmrdr
actually it looks like I may have missed your real question...
The answer is scatter, light striking on or very near facet junctions is broken up and bounced around in an RB this is over powered by the other forms of light return most of the time.
This is a huge issue with diamonds used as lenses because any roughness of the surface can act as facets and the high RI of diamond makes it worse than with glass.
Which is one reason diamond lens research is going slowly.
Some ceramics are already being used but diamond would be better.
Hard enough not to get scratched and a high RI allowing for smaller lenses.

scatter... okay (I''m reading your posts out of order) that sounds like it, and I''m guessing that even though we have a name for its *cause* and a name for the type of cut that *creates* it, there isn''t an actual name for the type of fire this is... so names like confetti bursts and rainbow bubbles are the best we have to go on? LOL

how bout scatter fire?
lol

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/19/2007 8:10:56 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 5/19/2007 7:54:54 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 5/19/2007 5:04:03 PM
Author: strmrdr
actually it looks like I may have missed your real question...
The answer is scatter, light striking on or very near facet junctions is broken up and bounced around in an RB this is over powered by the other forms of light return most of the time.
This is a huge issue with diamonds used as lenses because any roughness of the surface can act as facets and the high RI of diamond makes it worse than with glass.
Which is one reason diamond lens research is going slowly.
Some ceramics are already being used but diamond would be better.
Hard enough not to get scratched and a high RI allowing for smaller lenses.

scatter... okay (I''m reading your posts out of order) that sounds like it, and I''m guessing that even though we have a name for its *cause* and a name for the type of cut that *creates* it, there isn''t an actual name for the type of fire this is... so names like confetti bursts and rainbow bubbles are the best we have to go on? LOL

how bout scatter fire?
lol

Actually storm, I like that